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The debate was intense, the verdict mixed, but the message was clear.

Democracy and pluralism - often blamed for slow decision-making and still more inefficient implementation - gave India its big edge over authoritarian China, but New Delhi would need to take the right steps to deal with its problems.

And there are many. So, when Prof Stephen Chan began to list them - poor infrastructure, universities that produced poor quality graduates, primitive internet and mobile connectivity worse than in Africa and corruption - the moderator of the debate at the HT Leadership Summit, Edward Lucas, international editor of The Economist, wondered which side he was on.

"These problems are worse in China," said the former dean at London University's School's Oriental and African Studies, who was speaking for the motion: 'The future belongs to India, not China'.

The key, he added, lies in who overcomes their problems better.

Prof Deepak Lal of the University of California - who kicked off the debate in India's favour - had made a similar point, resting his hopes on India staying on the reforms track to push second generation economic reforms, particularly the labour market reforms.

He said China had done well in gross domestic product (GDP) terms but still remained a very poor country due to imbalanced growth and the benefits refusing to reach its version of the aam aadmi. Besides this, Lal raised questions on the survival of the Communist Party of China since the internal elite had also started questioning the legitimacy of the authoritarian regime.

Prof Rana Mitter at the University of Oxford wasn't as sure, asking those putting their money on India to form their opinion on basis of facts and not sentiment. Addressing a gathering of business leaders, diplomats, intellectuals and defence officers including army chief Gen Bikram Singh, Mitter recalled that the last Bengali to stand for east Asia - Subhash Chandra Bose - hadn't been very successful.

From per capita GDP, huge spending on education and defence to China's geography, Prof Mitter insisted that Beijing was way ahead of India in every parameter and was quickly overcoming other areas where it lagged behind such as diplomacy and soft power. For instance, if its investments in Zambia had become an election issue, fact remained that the new President spoke to the Chinese ambassador soon after his appointment.

Jonathan Fenby, the author of six critically acclaimed books and editor of The South China Morning Post, agreed. He recognised China's political problems but was quick to point that its political-economic nexus had been successful. For one, he pointed how the new Zambia president reached out to Beijing to seek more investments.

Many other countries - right from those in the Latin American region to Australia - were worried about alienating China, not India, he added.

Democracy gives India edge over China, say experts - Hindustan Times
 
don't start.Troll trap thread.flamed to death in past.
 
As far as I know, China is way ahead at pretty much everything. India has a lot of catching up to do, and democracy has little to do with it.

Personally I found "democracy" theme crammed down the throats annoying, and I live in the West. Democracy isnt some magical system, which is suitable everywhere and anytime - its far from perfect even in the West, what to speak of different nations and cultures.
 
Democracy is something that give Indians pride as India is "ahead" of China when you measure democracy. Unfortunate, most starving, illiterate and poor Indians old rather have food, a place to sleep and sanitation over democracy.
 
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Democracy is something that give Indians pride as India is "ahead" of China when you measure democracy. Unfortunate, most starving, illiterate and poor Indians old rather have food, a place to sleep and sanitation over democracy.

ok thanks for the insight
 
As far as I know, China is way ahead at pretty much everything. India has a lot of catching up to do, and democracy has little to do with it.

Personally I found "democracy" theme crammed down the throats annoying, and I live in the West. Democracy isnt some magical system, which is suitable everywhere and anytime - its far from perfect even in the West, what to speak of different nations and cultures.

You won't know hunger, if you've never starved.

Your won't know freedom, if you've never been to china or north korea.

No point belittling democracy ..... and don't carry the argument further that democracy itself solves everything else. It doesn't, everybody knows.

Democracy is something that give Indians pride as India is "ahead" of China when you measure democracy. Unfortunate, most starving, illiterate and poor Indians old rather have food, a place to sleep and sanitation over democracy.

In other words, you mean that democracy has been imposed upon India, and we Indians will be liberated when communism arrives. :laugh:

Let's wait our "liberation" then. :laugh:
 
You won't know hunger, if you've never starved.

Your won't know freedom, if you've never been to china or north korea.

No point belittling democracy ..... and don't carry the argument further that democracy itself solves everything else. It doesn't, everybody knows.



In other words, you mean that democracy has been imposed upon India, and we Indians will be liberated when communism arrives. :laugh:

Let's wait our "liberation" then. :laugh:
Actually democracy is good when its done right. India is an example of how to mess up democracy. As a result, it's in a worse shape than a communist state like China.
 
Actually democracy is good when its done right. India is an example of how to mess up democracy. As a result, it's in a worse shape than a communist state like China.

It isn't.

Ha.... the above sentence was a sufficient answer, but the forum wants me to type more than "10 characters". :laugh:
 
It isn't.

Ha.... the above sentence was a sufficient answer, but the forum wants me to type more than "10 characters". :laugh:

explain your thoughts, other than these rights which many indian dont have because they do not know they have them and thus exploited or they are too poor/starved to care or use said rights, what criteria of development is india ahead in? go ahead everything from education, to gdp/c, to infrastructure, to size of companies, latest research papers etc.
 
You won't know hunger, if you've never starved.

Your won't know freedom, if you've never been to china or north korea.

No point belittling democracy ..... and don't carry the argument further that democracy itself solves everything else. It doesn't, everybody knows.

The problem is, you won't know anything if you starved to death or live from hand to mouth with little to no education.

We in Europe became rich, educated and industrialised before we became democratic. Nobody is belittling democracy, but India bragging about democracy is giving democracy a bad name.
 
History suggests otherwise.....

I would take Chinese style growth over democracy anyday for Bangladesh. Democracy is great and am a fan of it but being able to vote when you are hungry means nothing at all....
 
Democracy is something that give Indians pride as India is "ahead" of China when you measure democracy. Unfortunate, most starving, illiterate and poor Indians old rather have food, a place to sleep and sanitation over democracy.

Just because you state media treats you like sheep and censors does not mean China is anything but a 3rd world dump. 300 million perhaps enjoying the riches with monumental corruption , rest of it , like the place your current premier comes from us ( his hometown) - is still houses dug into caves living in squalor!

This notion that Chinese have to lecture other countries while they are being spoon fed propaganda is always hilarious. Quick to cite news articles from the FREE world ....
 
Yeah I bet some Chinese still live in caves


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