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Deflation is curbing China’s economic rise

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China has a new central-bank boss. Pan Gongsheng, who became governor of the People’s Bank of China on July 25th, is a technocrat. His career, which includes a phd in economics, research at Cambridge University and Harvard, and a stint as deputy governor, resembles those of central bankers elsewhere. But he inherits a different problem: too little inflation, not too much.

China’s consumer prices did not rise at all in the year to June. The country’s gdp deflator, a broad measure of the price of goods and services, fell by 1.4% in the second quarter, compared with a year earlier. That is the biggest decline since 2009.

Falling prices pose immediate dangers for the country’s policymakers. They can erode profits, depress confidence and deter borrowing and investment, which will only add to deflationary pressure. The absence of inflation also has a less immediate implication—one of particular interest to those keeping score in the geopolitical race between China and America.

Deflation could delay China’s emergence as the world’s biggest economy.

Despite its difficulties, China’s economy is expected to grow by about 5% this year. America’s will probably grow by 2% at best.

China would then appear to be gaining ground. But these forecasts exclude inflation and ignore exchange rates. America’s “nominal” growth, before adjusting for inflation, could exceed 6%, according to Goldman Sachs, a bank. The country will produce 2% more stuff, the price of which could rise by about 4%. China’s nominal growth, on the other hand, is forecast to be only 5.5%.

In theory, high inflation in America should weaken the dollar. This would make other economies like China loom larger in dollar terms. In practice, however, America’s currency has been strong. As a result, China’s gdp, converted into dollars, could fall further behind its rival’s in 2023, for the second year in a row.

The country’s economy will be 67% the size of America’s in 2023, according to Goldman Sachs, compared with 76% in 2021. Thus the world’s second-biggest economy will be a more distant second.

This trajectory is unexpected. Upstart economies like China’s are not only supposed to grow faster than mature economies, their prices are also supposed to “catch up” with the higher prices that prevail in rich countries. Emerging economies start out poor and cheap, then grow richer and more expensive—either because their prices rise quickly, or because their exchange rates strengthen. In the 1960s, for example, an American visiting Italy or Japan would have found that the dollar stretched further in these countries than back home. Lira and yen prices, when converted into dollars at market exchange rates, were lower than American prices for similar items. Two or three decades later, both Italy and Japan were just as pricey as the United States.

The classic explanation for this phenomenon was provided by Bela Balassa and Paul Samuelson, two economists, in 1964. In catch-up economies, productivity grows briskly in industries, like manufacturing, that trade goods across borders. Because output per worker rises quickly, firms can afford to pay their workers more without raising their prices, which are pinned down by global competition. Meanwhile, in sectors such as services, which are not much traded across borders, productivity grows more slowly. Service firms must nonetheless compete with manufacturing for the country’s workers.

That obliges them to raise their wages to attract recruits. Higher wages, in turn, force these firms to raise prices. These price hikes are required because productivity has not kept up, and possible because services are sheltered from global competition. The hikes also make the country more expensive: the price of haircuts rises in sympathy with the growing wages of increasingly productive manufacturing workers.

China’s prices are now on average only 60% of American prices when comparing like-for-like items, according to the World Bank. Their figure lines up with this newspaper’s Big Mac index, which compares the price of burgers around the world. In China a Big Mac costs 24 yuan, the equivalent of $3.35. That is only 63% of the cost of a similar meaty treat in America.

The long-term forecasters at Goldman Sachs expect China’s price level to have risen modestly, relative to America’s, by the middle of the next decade. By that point, China’s gdp will have become the biggest in the world, they project. If prices instead remain at their present low level, then China’s gdp may never overtake America’s at all. Capital Economics, a research firm, cleaves to this gloomier view. It thinks China’s growth per worker will slow to roughly the same pace as America’s within the next decade. If China is no longer catching up with America economically, it argues, there is no reason to expect its prices to catch up either.

Catch-up and fries​

That conclusion may be too hasty. History provides plenty of cases in which a country’s prices rise, relative to America’s, even as its gdp per head grows no faster. For example, Ireland, Israel and Italy all had spells in the 1980s when gdp per person grew more slowly than America’s, but they nonetheless became less cheap, through faster inflation or a strengthened exchange rate. Figures from the Penn World Table suggest that, all told, 156 countries have had at least one ten-year period of price convergence without economic convergence since 1960.

This pattern is ultimately compatible with Balassa’s and Samuelson’s theory. If a dynamic manufacturing sector was offset by a moribund services sector, a country could grow modestly overall, but still become more expensive. The price of services would rise quickly, pulled along by competition for labour from more productive manufacturing companies.

Will China’s cheapness persist? That will depend not just on how fast it grows relative to America, but how fast its manufacturing grows relative to homebound industries. To close the gdp gap with America, China will have to narrow the price gap, too.

 
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China needs BRI now more then ever. More consumers that grow rich enough to absorb more Chinese products.

Otherwise this is the kind of deflation that has seen Japan stagnate for the past full generation; 35 years.

Just like the Marshall plan, getting Allie’s back on their feet is crucial to not letting Chinese manufacturing capacity go to waste, to create an Asian Rust Belt.
 
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Oh how times have changed, I remember when I joined PDF almost a decade ago and the Chinese were seriously discussing Chinese GDP growing 2-4X that of US GDP.

China will be fortunate just to catch up at this point.
 
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The GDP gap with the US will widen once again this year.

Time is running out for China. If they can’t significantly close the gap by 2030, it will never happen.
You might as well worry about the U.S. govt. In the first half of this year, U.S. federal govt revenues were down 10 percent from last year. This year's projected revenue is only $4.8 trillion. But interest payments on the U.S. national debt alone will be $1.5 trillion this year.
 
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Deflation is bad because the world economy is built on a Ponzi scheme, including China.
 
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The GDP gap with the US will widen once again this year.

Time is running out for China. If they can’t significantly close the gap by 2030, it will never happen.
I don't know how US GDP grew meanwhile its electricity consumption declined by 1%

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China needs BRI now more then ever. More consumers that grow rich enough to absorb more Chinese products.

Otherwise this is the kind of deflation that has seen Japan stagnate for the past full generation; 35 years.

Just like the Marshall plan, getting Allie’s back on their feet is crucial to not letting Chinese manufacturing capacity go to waste, to create an Asian Rust Belt.
China's foreign policy has no ability to force countries to be competent.


This is China's largest weakness.


China's closest countries have chosen to destroy their own economies, so China had to try poaching U.S. allies instead, like Saudi Arabia, Vietnam and Indonesia.


The attempt to poach India has failed, obviously.
 
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China's foreign policy has no ability to force countries to be competent.


This is China's largest weakness.


China's closest countries have chosen to destroy their own economies, so China had to try poaching U.S. allies instead, like Saudi Arabia, Vietnam and Indonesia.


The attempt to poach India has failed, obviously.
It’s true, in failing to have any strings attached in hopes of avoiding intervening in other counties affairs, China has enabled the well connected but incompetent elites looking to make a quick buck, pushing these countries into debt they can’t manage.

A better option has to be some peace corp style management help at all levels of government in allied countries, more and more with the help of management software like palantir, because of the risk of the safety of Chinese staff.

Either way, these counties need management help more so than even loans; laying the right foundation first.
 
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It’s true, in failing to have any strings attached in hopes of avoiding intervening in other counties affairs, China has enabled the well connected but incompetent elites looking to make a quick buck, pushing these countries into debt they can’t manage.

A better option has to be some peace corp style management help at all levels of government in allied countries, more and more with the help of management software like palantir, because of the risk of the safety of Chinese staff.

Either way, these counties need management help more so than even loans; laying the right foundation first.
The U.S. would immediately do a regime change if China starts doing that, so it's a losing strategy.


At least with the current strategy, the post-U.S. regime change regime will still have some good relations with China after the U.S. regime change.


Ukraine still has good relations with China, even though it's the U.S. puppet with the most strings attached.
 
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Electricity generation in the U.S. has fallen sharply, a more meaningful economic indicator.

East Asia is not consumerism. In the long run, a country's economy should be dominated by domestic demand. China is still overly mercantile.

It is even more unsustainable for the West to promote economic development through printing money.
 
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I don't know how US GDP grew meanwhile its electricity consumption declined by 1%

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Yes, the USA economic growth is fabricated.

It's already common knowledge.

What USA government reported is mismatched with the data on the street as well as what foreign country data reported on the economic relation with USA.

One most feared, USA is preparing to export their problem to other countries, that's why everyone is preparing for it and taking necessary measures, like for example BRICS currency.

The more a country tied to USD, the more vulnerable that country's economy.


USA government has tried so hard to revive the economy, including fabricating economy data in the hope to bring confidence to the market, as well as pouring billions of USD for years, asked China to buy more USA products, etc.

But still, it's unable to boost the economy from the bottom.
 
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The U.S. would immediately do a regime change if China starts doing that, so it's a losing strategy.


At least with the current strategy, the post-U.S. regime change regime will still have some good relations with China after the U.S. regime change.


Ukraine still has good relations with China, even though it's the U.S. puppet with the most strings attached.
It’s not about picking sides in one government or another in any given country, but about building supporting institutions, led by the best local non-partisan bureaucrats build up on a meritocratic basis to run Chinese funded projects such as agricultural modernization, advised via software like Palantir’s Foundry software.

As for regime change in countries; China would probably move more aggressively in countries it thinks won’t fall so easily; Cuba and Venezuela are two examples. There are also a lot of small GWOT wars going on in Africa right now. China could fill in where Wagner is leaving off, or could even pay Wagner to be the “face” of its efforts and work in these countries in a joint venture with Russia or the Turks or the Saudis that already have relations in these countries.

Yes, the USA economic growth is fabricated.

It's already common knowledge.

What USA government reported is mismatched with the data on the street as well as what foreign country data reported on the economic relation with USA.
But the US and its partners do led in most key technologies.
 
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It’s not about picking sides in one government or another in any given country, but about building supporting institutions, led by the best local non-partisan bureaucrats build up on a meritocratic basis to run Chinese funded projects such as agricultural modernization, advised via software like palantir’s software.


But the US and its partners do led in most key technologies.
Competence comes from supporting one faction and discouraging another.


Forcing competence, by its very nature, means you are now vulnerable to regime change, where the incompetent side that you discouraged comes into power and now hates you forever.


Your understanding of the topic is very, very naive.


The things you list as things China should do all require large amounts of force being applied to the target country.


Countries that are basket cases before rarely stop becoming basket cases by their own choices.


Why has Modi's India implemented the economic platform specifically designed for him by his Communist Party Member Mentor from China while Pakistan has not?


This should tell you why things happen the way they do.


You can lead a horse to water, but you have to force the horse to drink the water with large amounts of coercion unless they are already competent.


China's strategy now is to poach U.S. allies, because the U.S. has less incentive to remove competent leaders of U.S. allies to replace them with incompetent leaders.


The U.S.'s plan with Pakistan to remove the competent leader of Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif, and replace him with the incompetent leader of Pakistan, Imran Khan, shows the problems with what you propose.


The U.S. was in favor of it, because a country that China can rely on becoming weaker is always in the interest of the U.S..


The Pakistani Military Establishment was in favor of it, because the Democratic Forces of Nawaz Sharif are extremely dangerous for the Pakistani Military Establishment's privileges.


CPEC was destroyed explicitly with the removal of Nawaz Sharif, China's preferred technocrat, and the replacement with the Democratic Populist Imran Khan, with the primary purpose of destroying all economic progress in the country.


If China starts forcing Cuba and Venezuela into becoming more competent, the U.S. will have infinitely more reason to regime change them and will try much harder.


The reason why Cuba and Venezuela are relatively safe from U.S. actions is explicitly because they are so weak.
 
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Competence comes from supporting one faction and discouraging another.


Forcing competence, by its very nature, means you are now vulnerable to regime change, where the incompetent side that you discouraged comes into power and now hates you forever.


Your understanding of the topic is very, very naive.


The things you list as things China should do all require large amounts of force being applied to the target country.


Countries that are basket cases before rarely stop becoming basket cases by their own choices.


Why has Modi's India implemented the economic platform specifically designed for him by his Communist Party Member Mentor from China while Pakistan has not?


This should tell you why things happen the way they do.


You can lead a horse to water, but you have to force the horse to drink the water with large amounts of coercion unless they are already competent.


China's strategy now is to poach U.S. allies, because the U.S. has less incentive to remove competent leaders of U.S. allies to replace them with incompetent leaders.


The U.S.'s plan with Pakistan to remove the competent leader of Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif, and replace him with the incompetent leader of Pakistan, Imran Khan, shows the problems with what you propose.


The U.S. was in favor of it, because a country that China can rely on becoming weaker is always in the interest of the U.S..


The Pakistani Military Establishment was in favor of it, because the Democratic Forces of Nawaz Sharif are extremely dangerous for the Pakistani Military Establishment's privileges.


CPEC was destroyed explicitly with the removal of Nawaz Sharif, China's preferred technocrat, and the replacement with the Democratic Populist Imran Khan, with the primary purpose of destroying all economic progress in the country.
It’s not that I’m naive in what it would take, it’s just that I doubt think China is willing to commit the resources it would take.

I also was editing my post to complete the thought; China wants to work with the counties that have spent the resources to build relationships already.

For example, China could work with the Russians and the Wagner group to be the “face” of their efforts in Africa; fighting and dying where needed to achieve’s China’s goal without a Chinese face being obviously present. To maintain some level of plausible deniability if something goes south.

Ultimately, at some point China will have to commit and in a visible way of it hopes to fix these countries in hopes they can be of any use to China beyond a market for simple consumer goods and a vote at the UN.
 
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