Defence Minister Says 5,937 Russian Soldiers Killed In Ukraine

[MH.Yang]

25-30K and that’s probably a conservative estimate

lol, no, it doesn't......

You can estimated by having chart their replacement unit and their rotation and guess how many casualties they had suffered.

The entire line has rotated twice since Feb 24, which suggest 100% casualty rate since Feb 24, which mean roughly 200,000 casualties, depends on the ratio, it can range up to 1 KIA to 5 WIA to 1 KIA to 10 WIA. If this is former, then roughly 40,000 Russian had died, if this is latter, then roughly 10,000 had died. Modest guess would put this between 20,000-30,000 Russian KIA.

Russian law stipulates that conscripts are not allowed to fight abroad, so only contract soldiers can participate in the Ukrainian War.

The Russian Land Army has 250k contract troops in total, of which less than 200k participated in the Ukraine War.

In modern warfare, the ratio of technical support soldiers to front-line soldiers is about 2:1. That is to say, the number of front-line soldiers in the Russian army is about 66K.

You said that the Ukrainian govt killed 25-30K Russian soldiers, which means that nearly half of the Russian front-line soldiers died, and the casualties must have reached 100%.

Have Ukrainian govt troops occupied Moscow?

 

[MH.Yang]

I agree to your point but full mobilization simply means more area is to be covered as this feels like a full fledged war. To me russia did not use full punch I guess now they are going full scale and desperate.

Russia is not short of troops, but the law restricts the use of conscripts. And their number of contract soldiers is too small.

Russia did not mobilize before, because the law prohibits conscripts from leaving the country to participate in the war.

Now Russia has begun some mobilization because a referendum is about to be held in eastern Ukraine.

Once these areas become legal Russian territory, Russia can send the mobilized conscripts to the battlefield in these areas.

 

[jhungary]

Russian law stipulates that conscripts are not allowed to fight abroad, so only contract soldiers can participate in the Ukrainian War.

The Russian Land Army has 250k contract troops in total, of which less than 200k participated in the Ukraine War.

In modern warfare, the ratio of technical support soldiers to front-line soldiers is about 2:1. That is to say, the number of front-line soldiers in the Russian army is about 66K.

You said that the Ukrainian govt killed 25-30K Russian soldiers, which means that nearly half of the Russian front-line soldiers died, and the casualties must have reached 100%.

Have Ukrainian govt troops occupied Moscow?

Again, if you don't know anything, maybe you should not say anything.

Russia has 280,000 strong army + 400,000 Rosgvarda (National Guard) + 200,000 Internal Security Troop (FSB Paramilitary + PMC) all those made up of Russian Ground Force, of those 210,000 were deployed initially on Feb 24, and then 100,000 (100 BTG) was added when Russia retreated from Kyiv. and another 50 BTG (Roughly 50,000) volunteer force raised by different area since Feb 24. Chechen alone raised 4 volunteer battalion.

Russian Ground Forces - Wikipedia

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National Guard of Russia - Wikipedia

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All in all, the deploying force in Ukraine is upward to 500,000

And Conscript WERE USED in the initial phase of the war.

Russia Tricks Conscripts Into Joining Ukraine War, Intercepted Call Reveals

The Russian conscripts were initially told they would be taken to the airport.

www.ibtimes.com

And finally, just because you are in support does NOT mean you are not on the frontline. So tooth to tail ratio is largely irreverent to modern warfare DA as artillery and missile can touch 100km + deep into enemy rear.

Again, I would not comment on stuff that you have no idea about.

 

[MH.Yang]

Again, if you don't know anything, maybe you should not say anything.

Russia has 280,000 strong army + 400,000 Rosgvarda (National Guard) + 200,000 Internal Security Troop (FSB Paramilitary + PMC) all those made up of Russian Ground Force, of those 210,000 were deployed initially on Feb 24, and then 100,000 (100 BTG) was added when Russia retreated from Kyiv. and another 50 BTG (Roughly 50,000) volunteer force raised by different area since Feb 24. Chechen alone raised 4 volunteer battalion.

Russian Ground Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

National Guard of Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All in all, the deploying force in Ukraine is upward to 500,000

And Conscript WERE USED in the initial phase of the war.

Russia Tricks Conscripts Into Joining Ukraine War, Intercepted Call Reveals

The Russian conscripts were initially told they would be taken to the airport.

www.ibtimes.com

And finally, just because you are in support does NOT mean you are not on the frontline. So tooth to tail ratio is largely irreverent to modern warfare DA as artillery and missile can touch 100km + deep into enemy rear.

Again, I would not comment on stuff that you have no idea about.

Where are these sources? Twitter?

First of all, please tell us the list of 500000 Russian troops fighting in Ukraine. Second, post the source of information.

The Russian law prohibits conscripts from fighting abroad, which can be verified by Google.

 

[jhungary]

Where are these sources? Twitter?

First of all, please tell us the list of 500000 Russian troops fighting in Ukraine. Second, post the source of information.

The Russian law prohibits conscripts from fighting abroad, which can be verified by Google.

Dude, it's funny when I supply quote with number when you just make the number up without providing source and then ask me for source?? LOL

My source is from US DoD cable, which release periodically and local intelligence including ISW report which detail Russian Force regeneration on their daily report, both of which can be look up in Google.

And it's not even a public secret Russia had been using Conscript in Ukraine. There are numerous videos like this one

These men are from 15th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade from their insignia, the only Peacekeeping Brigade in Russia that known to have rotate Conscript.

How stupid are you to believe Putin will not bend their constitution when they even make law that prohibit to call this war a war?? But then you think only combat troop can be killed in war, well.........

 

[MH.Yang]

Dude, it's funny when I supply quote with number when you just make the number up without providing source and then ask me for source?? LOL

My source is from US DoD cable, which release periodically and local intelligence including ISW report which detail Russian Force regeneration on their daily report, both of which can be look up in Google.

And it's not even a public secret Russia had been using Conscript in Ukraine. There are numerous videos like this one

These men are from 15th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade from their insignia, the only Peacekeeping Brigade in Russia that known to have rotate Conscript.

How stupid are you to believe Putin will not bend their constitution when they even make law that prohibit to call this war a war?? But then you think only combat troop can be killed in war, well.........

I found that the 15th Brigade was first stationed in Crimea. This is the legal territory of Russia, and they did not leave the country. Now the 15th Brigade has been transferred to Azerbaijan and Armenia for peacekeeping missions.

Obviously, you lied.

 

[jhungary]

I found that the 15th Brigade was first stationed in Crimea. This is the legal territory of Russia, and they did not leave the country. Now the 15th Brigade has been transferred to Azerbaijan and Armenia for peacekeeping missions.

Obviously, you lied.

Dude, they were at Kupiansk, one member of 15th Motor Brigade was captured and parade by Ukrainian

Russian Soldiers Apologize For 'Treacherous Invasion,' Beg Putin To Stop Ukraine War

Rather than fighting fascists and oppression, Russian soldiers were instead "fighting against a peaceful nation," a captured serviceman said.

www.ibtimes.com

And this is NOT the first time they were deployed to Ukraine, they were in Donbas in 2016

Russia Uses Servicemen of the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade of Peacekeeping Forces in Donbas - InformNapalm.org (English)

Volunteers of the international community InformNapalm have collected information from open sources that proves the presence of...

informnapalm.org

Tell me when did Russian annex Donbas?? And I am sure they are in Donbas for vacation, not fighting the Ukrainian.

So who lies now? You or Me?

Again, if I were you, I wouldn't comment on issue YOU HAVE NO IDEA ON. And you know what? You said I lie when I provided source, you give me jack shit, so unless you provide me some evidence that there are only 200000 troop in Ukraine, and 15th Brigade were never even set foot outside Russia, I will consider you are full of shit.

 

[MH.Yang]

Dude, they were at Kupiansk, one member of 15th Motor Brigade was captured and parade by Ukrainian

Russian Soldiers Apologize For 'Treacherous Invasion,' Beg Putin To Stop Ukraine War

Rather than fighting fascists and oppression, Russian soldiers were instead "fighting against a peaceful nation," a captured serviceman said.

www.ibtimes.com

And this is NOT the first time they were deployed to Ukraine, they were in Donbas in 2016

Russia Uses Servicemen of the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade of Peacekeeping Forces in Donbas - InformNapalm.org (English)

Volunteers of the international community InformNapalm have collected information from open sources that proves the presence of...

informnapalm.org

Tell me when did Russian annex Donbas?? And I am sure they are in Donbas for vacation, not fighting the Ukrainian.

So who lies now? You or Me?

Again, if I were you, I wouldn't comment on issue YOU HAVE NO IDEA ON. And you know what? You said I lie when I provided source, you give me jack shit, so unless you provide me some evidence that there are only 200000 troop in Ukraine, and 15th Brigade were never even set foot outside Russia, you are full of shit.

I just found out that the 15th Brigade of Russia belongs to the Second Army of the Russian Army. They are professional contract soldiers, not compulsory soldiers.


You're cheating me with a contract soldiers unit.

The Ukrainian war did not break out in 2016.

 

[jhungary]

I just found out that the 15th Brigade of Russia belongs to the Second Army of the Russian Army. They are professional contract soldiers, not compulsory soldiers.


You're cheating me with a contract soldiers unit.

The Ukrainian war did not break out in 2016.

Did you even read the article I post? The dude with all the VK POST IS A CONSCRIPT.

But then all you do is you say this and that. Show me proof they don't use Conscript or GTFO.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

A small loss for a big gain. Donbas has 6 million people. Kherson has 1 million people. That's 7 million more Russian citizens.

FIrstly, its around 15000-20000 dead and god knows how many more before the war is over. Secondly, you are simply looking at raw numbers, which doesnt show impact on future population. This region has been struggling with one of the lowest birth rates in the world. Now add to that the death of 20,000 young men in their prime, and all the loss of infrastructure, hospitals, jobs etc etc which has an impact on the ability to afford kids. This war is a population disaster for the region and will massively increase the rate of population decline.

 

[MH.Yang]

Did you even read the article I post? The dude with all the VK POST IS A CONSCRIPT.

But then all you do is you say this and that. Show me proof they don't use Conscript or GTFO.

The article you sent me also shows that these soldiers of the 15th Brigade are contract soldiers. Have you read your articles yourself?

 

[jhungary]

The article you sent me also shows that these soldiers of the 15th Brigade are contract soldiers. Have you read your articles yourself?

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The other article, genius...

Oh my god.....Didn't I make this clear I use this particular aritcle to show 15th Motor Rifle Were Deployed to Donbas before, did I say that is with Conscript?

Let me recap what I said when I quote this article in case you go senile on me.

And this is NOT the first time they were deployed to Ukraine, they were in Donbas in 2016

Russia Uses Servicemen of the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade of Peacekeeping Forces in Donbas - InformNapalm.org (English)

Volunteers of the international community InformNapalm have collected information from open sources that proves the presence of...

informnapalm.org

Did I mention I use this article to show they use Conscript?? This is to rebut your point of they are deployed to Crimea.

Jesus..........That's must be how it felt like when you think you hit a homerun but it a fly foul........

 

[MH.Yang]

The other article, genius...

Oh my god.....Didn't I make this clear I use this particular aritcle to show 15th Motor Rifle Were Deployed to Donbas before, did I say that is with Conscript?

Let me recap what I said when I quote this article in case you go senile on me.



Did I mention I use this article to show they use Conscript?? This is to rebut your point of they are deployed to Crimea.

Jesus..........That's must be how it felt like when you think you hit a homerun but it a fly foul........

You said that the 15th Brigade is a volunteer. I use the content of your article to prove that they are contract soldiers. Do you want to deny the facts before your eyes?

OK. Once again, are the 15th Brigade contract soldiers? Do they violate Russian laws when they appear on the battlefield?

 

[jhungary]

You said that the 15th Brigade is a volunteer. I use the content of your article to prove that they are contract soldiers. Do you want to deny the facts before your eyes?

OK. Once again, are the 15th Brigade contract soldiers? Do they violate Russian laws when they appear on the battlefield?

Dude, the first article that guy was match to the VK post he made., that dude was a Conscript.

That article you refer to say, "ONE OF THE SOLDIER WAS CONTACT" that means not all of them are contract, as proven in the first article and the YT video previously and I was using it to rebut your post they were never in occupied part of Ukraine. They were in Crimea, and then off to Albania or what not.

And I thought Chinese were smart.

 

[MH.Yang]

Dude, the first article that guy was match to the VK post he made., that dude was a Conscript.

That article you refer to say, "ONE OF THE SOLDIER WAS CONTACT" that means not all of them are contract, as proven in the first article and the YT video previously and I was using it to rebut your post they were never in occupied part of Ukraine. They were in Crimea, and then off to Albania or what not.

And I thought Chinese were smart.

How do you judge that all soldiers of the 15th Brigade have gone to Ukraine?

You should provide evidence that Ukraine captured Russian conscripts, not evidence that Ukraine captured contract soldiers.

If Ukraine had not captured any conscripts since the war began for so long, that would have been enough.