Debunking Indian Claims of “Surgical Strike” in Pakistan.

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Debunking Indian Claims of “Surgical Strike” in Pakistan.

Let any Indian general or representative come forward and answer these questions.

• Where did India conducted this surgical strike?
  India says it had credible evidence of terrorists who were to cross LOC. Why not show those locations to the world as well and prove they actually existed - which Indian needs desperately to prove its point that Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism in India. Why is India not proving Pakistan a terrorist sponsoring state using evidence of location which it destroyed? India has no answer.

• India claims it destroyed "terrorist launch-pads" – How do they look like?
  Were they buildings, bunkers, rooms, hide-outs or runway strips? India has no answer.

• India claims it destroyed 5-6 “Terrorist” launch pads.
  When India was so sure that it conducted operation across Pakistan, why is there a confusion between number 5 and 6? – Why is it itself confused?
  
  
• Were all launch-pads standing together or distant from each other?
  5-6 locations means they have to be distant from each other and India conducted at least 5-6 operations to neutralise them. How India did crossed LOC at 5-6 locations without being tracked, stopped or fired at? India has no answer.

• Assuming Indians crossed LOC using helicopters;
  A slightest violation of air-space strikes response from Pakistan, and Pakistan is currently at high-alert state with active preparedness. How India did came in and went out without alerting PAF? India has no answer.
  
  
• How did Indian soldiers got back?
  How India did recovered its soldiers back? Did India air-lift them or they walked back to India on foot crossing LOC? Entire LOC is permanently blocked using multi-layered barb-wire, land-mines and fences, is well lit and monitored by both India and Pakistan. How Indian soldiers from multiple locations walked back and not got seen or fired at by any of Pakistani check-posts? How did they managed to cross fenced, mined and impermeable boundary without being seen, caught or injured? India has no answer.

• If Indian soldiers were recovered using helicopters:
  That means 5-6 Indian helicopters must have landed inside Pakistani territory at 5-6 different locations and their helicopters were neither heard, tracked by soldiers, guards, radars nor PAF responded? PAF response time is under 3 minute. How could 5-6 Indian helicopters violated world's most well-guarded boarded and yet they came-and-went-back without getting noticed. India cannot answer that.

• India attacked terrorist launch-pads - were terrorists empty handed then?
  India didn’t lose a single soldier to any bullet, nor did they get injured even when they “destroyed” 5-6 terrorist launch-pads. Was there 1 terrorist per launch-pad who was also un-armed and had no Pakistani Military companion? India claims Pakistani Army back terrorists, does that mean Pakistani army was not backing terrorists and terrorist too were unarmed who allowed Indians to conduct operation, kill them as well as destroy their launch-pads and no response was seen from Pakistani Army either? Indians have no answer.

No stupidity expected from any Indian member and I would request @mods to watch this thread closely. These are legitimate questions and by answering them, without showing any evidence, India might be able to get some credibility of its claims. Let the informed members come in and give answers to these questions and lets see if Indian claims make any sense.


Indians have responded, their response includes below;

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• Total operation time 4 hours
• The commandos were airdropped at the LoC, from where they crossed over to the Pakistani side.
  • So they did crossed their own line-of-control which his barb-wired, mined, electrically charged, well-lit and watched by Pakistani soldiers. They crossed LOC at 7 locations simultaneously without a single soldier seen, spotted or fired at. No land-mine exploded and soldiers also walked through impermeable multi-layered electric-powered barb-wire. That also means at least 7 helicopters came at LOC without triggering any alert for PAF.
• Indian commandos entered three kilometres across the Line of Control to conduct the 'surgical strikes'. Launchpad’s were in Bhimber, Hotspring, Kel & Lipa sectors, on Pak's side of LoC
  • Bhimber is 4.1Km, Kel is 4.5Km in a straight line from LoC. All areas are mountainous which means you have to go around the mountains or climb up or down, making actual distance 6-8 kilometres long. All areas protected and populated as well as heavily guarded by Pakistan. So Indian soldiers walked 6-8 KM in, then conducting operation which used explosions, and then walking back 6-8 Kilometres without issue, from all 7 locations and didn't got caught, spotted or injured.
• Indian soldiers walked 500meters to 2Km across LoC
  • Either Indian soldiers came 3 kilometers across or they walked 2 kilometers into Pakistan. In both cases Indians cannot reach above mentioned locations.
• 7 terror launch pads were destroyed
  • That means at least 7 explosions have happened. Even explosions didn’t alert Pakistan Army neither civilians heard them.
• 38 terrorists and 2 Pakistani soldiers were killed in Indian Army surgical strikes, no Indian casualties.
  • Now 38+2, at least 40 bullet rounds were fired and no one heard them. Also out of 7 launch-pads, only 1 had military personals who were killed and other 6 launch-pads were managed by terrorists only, who were all killed. But apparently terrorists neither had ammunition to respond back nor had communication channels, mobile phones or protection that 38 died in silence, without giving a hint to anybody.
• Helicopters were used
  • Indians after conducting explosions walked back and crossed the same LOC yet another time – but like before, they could walk through barb-wired fenses, dodged mines, stayed invisible under light and not spotted by Pakistani Check Post, yet another time. LoC was crossed 14 times in 4 hours and Indians went into Pakistan and came-back in without being noticed, seen intercepted.

When all above was happening, PAF was sleeping, PA was sleeping, terrorists were sleeping, Indians could walk-through electric-powered, mined, multi-layered fences, destroyed 7 “launch-pads”, killed two solitary Pakistani Army soldiers, 38 terrorists and all this happened without getting a single Indian soldier injured, let alone killed. LoC got crossed 14 times from 7 different locations and all this is happened when Pakistan is at one of the highest alerts of its times.

Now who wants to tell India that it is Naked?

 

[Hellfire]

@Joe Shearer @hellfire @notorious_eagle

As per my understanding ( and heavy lack of understanding of some chest thumpers) the Indian sources claim that they airlifted the soldiers near the LOC from where they made a raid 500m-1km and took out a launch pad whilst pakistan states that no infiltration happened and cross border firing happened at night which resulted in 2 soldiers being martyred. Pakistan has now has cross border firings which resulted in three posts being destroyed.

Now I am aware that cross border raids can happen and have been done by both sides near the LOC multiple of times.

The question I am asking is how does the situation deescalates now? Where do both sides go from here as situation is getting worse and escalating. Do you see this situation going towards a full blown border conflict?

No airlift. It was across ... there were ghatak level operations also launched simultaneously to distract/flush out forests.

You must understand that offensive operations in the area are undertaken at night and thick forest, where even militants are in something called 'harbour' when they wait to cross LC ...

hence it was only a ground offensive ... no air asset crossed LC

There was overhead CAP and air support, that is right and correct.

De-escalation - the PA has done very correct denying the surgical strike. By doing so, it allows PA room to gauge the reaction and assess options. So deniability of this actually taking place remains. If PA decides to retaliate immediately, they risk being portrayed as supporters. If they do not, they loose credibility. We are expecting retaliation, there is no doubt it will come. But again .. it is time and place of own choosing.

Please understand that India did not take the action without tacit understanding ... you can see from the muted reactions of the Governments of other nations so far.

 

[thrilainmanila]

@Oscar
deep down inside you are sure as hell aware of what happened. I'll leave it at that.

 

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[SQ8]

@Oscar
deep down inside you are sure as hell aware of what happened. I'll leave it at that.

Not completely, but I dont go ahead and start exaggerating on grapevines like many members here.
@hellfire is somewhat right in that it was a ground incursion with more than usual number of troops, but the term casualties is misleading. 35 or 38 may have been hit but the number killed may not be beyond 5-10. In addition, the attack was in a pretty heavy forested area which does give pretty good cover; so the correct military term is "probing" or "provocation" rather than anything surgical.

The rest of the chest thumping is just ridiculous.

 

[Hellfire]

Not completely, but I dont go ahead and start exaggerating on grapevines like many members here.
@hellfire is somewhat right in that it was a ground incursion with more than usual number of troops, but the term casualties is misleading. 35 or 38 may have been hit but the number killed may not be beyond 5-10. In addition, the attack was in a pretty heavy forested area which does give pretty good cover; so the correct military term is "probing" or "provocation" rather than anything surgical.

The rest of the chest thumping is just ridiculous.

Sir. I had specifically mentioned as an example, the area in sub-sector Machchil along eastern shoulder of Lunda ridge as it takes 45 minutes to ingress from Pachnar. Subsequently another half an hour till Ringpen village there .. which is the main zone. It is not more than 2 kms ... in mountains hardly any distance at night in forested areas where even NVGs and TIs don't work ....

There have been no depth operations, only the usual launch pads ... which was a norm, only going public is a new.

 

[SQ8]

Sir. I had specifically mentioned as an example, the area in sub-sector Machchil along eastern shoulder of Lunda ridge as it takes 45 minutes to ingress from Pachnar. Subsequently another half an hour till Ringpen village there .. which is the main zone. It is not more than 2 kms ... in mountains hardly any distance at night in forested areas where even NVGs and TIs don't work ....

There have been no depth operations, only the usual launch pads ... which was a norm, only going public is a new.

I dont think they crossed as much as we might be made to believe. Both sides have fenced the placed to the hilt although there are certain sections in the forest where all you have is white stones proclaiming "Do not dare cross this line".

I am guessing that it could have been an effort to do what you are suggesting but ended up hitting Pakistani patrols along the area which were summarily dismissed due to the heavy superiority in numbers.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Indian politicians unconvinced over surgical strike claim

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD: Indian politicians are not convinced and appeared disappointed over the claims of the government of India about the circumstances in which the Indian Army launched surgical strikes across the Line of Control in Pakistan.

The government of India had on Thursday convened an All-Parties Conference to take in confidence the opposition parties over the strikes. However, they were left disappointed when no evidence was presented about the circumstances in which the strikes took places, and or whether they were provoked from across the border.

Instead they were shown a press briefing by Indian DGMO Ranbir Singh who claimed that the Indian Army had conducted surgical strikes on ‘terror launch pads’ at the LoC last night. The press conference was jointly conducted by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs and the Ministry of Defence.

Indian opposition leader Sitaram Yechury of the Communist Party of India – Marxist (CPI-M) was disappointed over the briefing and said that they were informed about the operations which ended early morning, but it was not known what was inside them. He expressed hope that the government of India will continue with the diplomatic and political moves to diffuse the tensions.

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Sitaram Yechury

✔@SitaramYechury
Govt briefed us on operations conducted by the Army. The safety and security of our people from cross-border terrorism must be ensured.

The briefing was also attended by Indian Congress leader Ghulam Nabi Azad who had on Tuesday criticised the unstable policies of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Pakistan. He had said that bilateral relations have many others things attached to them and the Indian government cannot take decisions in seconds on issues which have been there for decades.

This has also raise a debate about the definition of surgical which Pakistan claims was unprovoked firing from across the border involving small arms, while Indian perspective is that a surgical strike is a military operations short of an act of war.

The claims have been refuted by Pakistan who have called them as “falsified, concocted, and irresponsible” which are intended to escalate the fragile security situation in the region. DG ISPR General Asim Bajwa had said that they terms were used to divert attention and convince the people in India.

 

[sady]

From a friend from adjacent Brigade. NLI and AK soldier Shaheed. Indian attach repulsed on a post. 8 Indian soldiers killed. Totally authentic first hand source.

 

[NKVD]

Indian politicians unconvinced over surgical strike claim

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD: Indian politicians are not convinced and appeared disappointed over the claims of the government of India about the circumstances in which the Indian Army launched surgical strikes across the Line of Control in Pakistan.

The government of India had on Thursday convened an All-Parties Conference to take in confidence the opposition parties over the strikes. However, they were left disappointed when no evidence was presented about the circumstances in which the strikes took places, and or whether they were provoked from across the border.

Instead they were shown a press briefing by Indian DGMO Ranbir Singh who claimed that the Indian Army had conducted surgical strikes on ‘terror launch pads’ at the LoC last night. The press conference was jointly conducted by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs and the Ministry of Defence.

Indian opposition leader Sitaram Yechury of the Communist Party of India – Marxist (CPI-M) was disappointed over the briefing and said that they were informed about the operations which ended early morning, but it was not known what was inside them. He expressed hope that the government of India will continue with the diplomatic and political moves to diffuse the tensions.

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Sitaram Yechury

✔@SitaramYechury
Govt briefed us on operations conducted by the Army. The safety and security of our people from cross-border terrorism must be ensured.

The briefing was also attended by Indian Congress leader Ghulam Nabi Azad who had on Tuesday criticised the unstable policies of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Pakistan. He had said that bilateral relations have many others things attached to them and the Indian government cannot take decisions in seconds on issues which have been there for decades.

This has also raise a debate about the definition of surgical which Pakistan claims was unprovoked firing from across the border involving small arms, while Indian perspective is that a surgical strike is a military operations short of an act of war.

The claims have been refuted by Pakistan who have called them as “falsified, concocted, and irresponsible” which are intended to escalate the fragile security situation in the region. DG ISPR General Asim Bajwa had said that they terms were used to divert attention and convince the people in India.

BS you falsified Data here what he said

https://twitter.com/x/status/781483136613961729

 

[Basel]

There is difference between cross border raid and surgical strike, what India did was cross border raid in which the loss more men then Pakistan because PA men picked there movement near their position @200 yards.

 

[Khanate]

https://twitter.com/x/status/781417447790260228

This is turning out to be comedy gold.

 

[Mrc]

They attacked a militant camp...

If there is one right at loc...kashmiris would have eaten them alive

 

[coffee_cup]

Yaar you are taking Indian ususal tr@sh seriously.


They live in some sort of parallel universe, flying from one galaxy to other with their inter-galactic aeroplanes, which they invented some 7000 years ago...

So, anything possible from Modi fanboys...

Regular cross-border incursion in border areas do take place along international borders everywhere around the world.

But they are NOT called "SirGKal" strikes.

 

[Great Janjua]

Yaar you are taking Indian ususal tr@sh seriously.


They live in some sort of parallel universe, flying from one galaxy to other with their inter-galactic aeroplanes, which they invented some 7000 years ago...

So, anything possible from Modi fanboys...

Thanks made my day can't hold the laughter mate