Debating the Burqa

[Dubious]

Burqa has no place in europe

then why preach diversity when you have no place for diversity? Why claim freedom of choice when you dont allow people to choose their choice freely? Why claim equality when women are 2nd class and dont get their choice but have to dress as the men preach?

core value in europe

its not in your constitution nor in your basic values .... A typical European doesnt always know how to read faces otherwise he wouldnt be landing in a divorce after shockingly finding out his spouse isnt loyal! So what exactly do you read from a face when you cant read the basics?

A failed reason to impose your idea on women?

 

[Jf Thunder]

and do you think written allah in all-caps gives you automatic authority or magical power??

actually writing the first letter of Allah, is a rule while using proper nouns

You proved nothing I have quoted proof from Quran and Sunnah several times. Covering face is order of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW and Muslim women does it since order first came

quote it to Mufti Jamahir pls

 

[Zarvan]

Surah Azhab:
O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

They can ONLY be recognized if their faces can be seen!



but using the word alien is them denying their own past! Its nothing to do with evolve as much as denial and ignorant!


What about those who choose do they not have a place in your society to their right to choose?

The ayat is not for recognizing face lady the ayat is that they cover themselves including Niqab so they can be recognized as pious women not other women who used to be their in that society

 

[Jf Thunder]

Child,

You equating a burqa to robbery is not equal coz when the robber chooses to rob he is either desperate or want to live lavishly....But a woman choosing burqa wants to be invisible and not doing it to show off anything! So child, please make equal comparisons!

A thing we know which hurts others still many take it as a personal choice...Let me give you examples:

Being judgmental- Judging others based on our limited knowledge
Imposing our ideas on others
stooping to low levels to strike even with a low scum
Giving galiyan
Making a mockery of other's choice
Mkaing am ockery of race/ colour/ religion

Even something as simple as smoking where you harm others as inhalers of the smoke you blow out?


All these are personal choice yet many do it.....why is 1 allowed and other not?

the Burqa is used by terrorists to commit acts of terror and run away, the women who steal babies from hospitals also wear it, so these events make it quite a threat

 

[Zarvan]

actually writing the first letter of Allah, is a rule while using proper nouns


quote it to Mufti Jamahir pls

He has hardly any knowledge of Quran and Sunnah. He mixes crap socialism and communism with Islam.

the Burqa is used by terrorists to commit acts of terror and run away, the women who steal babies from hospitals also wear it, so these events make it quite a threat

Knives are security thread and also cars even suicide bomber wearing clothes is security threat why don't we ban all clothes ?

 

[Jf Thunder]

He has hardly any knowledge of Quran and Sunnah. He mixes crap socialism and communism with Islam.

learn the difference between Communism, Socialism, Marxism first pls

 

[Dubious]

the Burqa is used by terrorists to commit acts of terror and run away, the women who steal babies from hospitals also wear it, so these events make it quite a threat

yes it does....As I said in my post on page 1....Had the politician used security threat, it would have been bought but he went after women rights!

Had the idiot said that he wont allow it for security reason many would have bought it but he had to go with the old brainwashed jargon

 

[Zarvan]

learn the difference between Communism, Socialism, Marxism first pls

I have and their is not much difference

 

[MarkusS]

then why preach diversity when you have no place for diversity? Why claim freedom of choice when you dont allow people to choose their choice freely? Why claim equality when women are 2nd class and dont get their choice but have to dress as the men preach?


its not in your constitution nor in your basic values .... A typical European doesnt always know how to read faces otherwise he wouldnt be landing in a divorce after shockingly finding out his spouse isnt loyal! So what exactly do you read from a face when you cant read the basics?

A failed reason to impose your idea on women?

I give a shit about diversity. I´m not a leftist. I crush anything that doesn´t represent european culture. In Italy we already ban burqa. I have 0 tolerance for evrything non italian / european.

Also its not about faces. Its about seeing who talks with you. You hide your face infront me? That means you are a terrorist and not trustworthy. Its that easy. It makes you a non person in my eyes

 

[Barrel-Bomba]

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I give a shit about diversity. I´m not a leftist. I crush anything that doesn´t represent european culture. In Italy we already ban burqa. I have 0 tolerance for evrything non italian / european.

Also its not about faces. Its about seeing who talks with you. You hide your face infront me? That means you are a terrorist and not trustworthy. Its that easy. It makes you a non person in my eyes

You roam around naked ? You are a slut or a fag.. It's that easy ... To generalise and be a total fukwit.

 

[Dubious]

The ayat is not for recognizing face lady the ayat is that they cover themselves including Niqab so they can be recognized as pious women not other women who used to be their in that society

In context we need to know what "pre Islamic Arab women" used to wear

They almost already had a head covering like the Egyptians of that time....or the Greeks and Romans! But they did not cover their bosoms and so the ayat told them to do so!

That is why the ayat said:

O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

 

[Zarvan]

In context we need to know what "pre Islamic Arab women" used to wear

They almost already had a head covering like the Egyptians of that time....or the Greeks and Romans! But they did not cover their bosoms and so the ayat told them to do so!

That is why the ayat said:

O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

No they didn't total lie in fact many women were famous for doing tawaf of kabah naked and even others most didn't covered head and also arms mostly used to be uncovered

 

[Husnainshah]

Interestingly, nowadays Burqa is associated with negatives more than positives.
Terrorism and prostitution(in Pakistan) is associated more with Burqa than 'piousness'.
Besides, the women in burqa have a reputation of being 'easy'.

And I've personally noticed, it's usually the middle to lower middle class women who wear Burqas.
I haven't seen too many upper class women or working class women wearing Burqas, not even in the rural areas.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Interesting, nowadays Burqa is associated with negatives more than positives.
Terrorism and prostitution(in Pakistan) is associated more with Burqa than 'piousness'.
Besides, the women in burqa have a reputation of being 'easy'.

I don't know the sort of company you keep.. But that's pretty low.


I'm not religious .. Conservatives (a little) yes... But shouldn't it be upto a woman to decide what to wear or not to wear than some random douche.