Deaths of India's top defense scientists and experts, a conspiracy???

[Bhai Zakir]

Deaths of India's top defense scientists and experts, a conspiracy???


1.) Abhish Shivam, 33, a chief engineer working at INS Arihant, India's first nuclear-powered submarine.

2.) KK Josh, 34, chief engine room artificer (CERA) at Shipbuilding Centre, a unit of ministry of defence at the Eastern Naval Command (ENC)

Nuclear submarine engineer found dead on railway tracks in Visakhapatnam - The Times of India

3.) G K Kumaravel Arjun tank developer dies in car crash

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/187827-arjun-tank-developer-dies-car-crash.html

4.) HAL Chief Test Pilot Commits Suicide

Squadron Leader (Retd) Baldev Singh was involved with the LCA Programme from 1990 onwards and was deputed to the Aeronautical Development Agency for this purpose. On the LCA programme he worked extensively on the development and flight testing of the flight control laws of the Light Combat aircraft. He carried out the flight evaluation of these flight control laws at the Real Time simulator at BAE Wharton in UK followed by the flight evaluation of these control laws on the F-16, Lear Jet and NT-33 aircraft in the US.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...test-pilot-commits-suicide.html#ixzz2h1FKft00



All of these deaths are unnatural deaths in the mysterious circumstances and outside their home and office in a deserted places.


A.) Who done it???

B.) Should we have RAW taking care of our top scientists, protecting and following them silently???

c.) Should we take revenge?

 

[onionkiller]

i wonder why our nakara govt not saying anything on this matter ? @Bhai Zakir. do you have any clue what our govt saying at this matter ?

 

[Bhai Zakir]

i wonder why our nakara govt not saying anything on this matter ? @Bhai Zakir. do you have any clue what our govt saying at this matter ?

Our govt. don't talk just sleeps our politicians are all Beshram. They only care for themselves and they all are the chips of the same block.

What can we expect from the govt. when our defense minister beshram antony gives clean chit to pak army saying that terrorists attacking India were wearing pak army uniform but they are not really pak army troops.

 

[onionkiller]

Our govt. don't talk just sleeps our politicians are all Beshram. They only care for themselves and they all are the chips of the same block.

What can we expect from the govt. when our defense minister beshram antony gives clean chit to pak army saying that terrorists attacking India were wearing pak army uniform but they are not really pak army troops.

that is the problem friend. today i read a news that in every country army man sits in cabenit meeting. but in India army is being ignored. our army general cant sit in cabenit meeting. :-(

 

[sasi]

Deaths of India's top defense scientists and experts, a conspiracy???


1.) Abhish Shivam, 33, a chief engineer working at INS Arihant, India's first nuclear-powered submarine.

2.) KK Josh, 34, chief engine room artificer (CERA) at Shipbuilding Centre, a unit of ministry of defence at the Eastern Naval Command (ENC)

Nuclear submarine engineer found dead on railway tracks in Visakhapatnam - The Times of India

3.) G K Kumaravel Arjun tank developer dies in car crash

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/187827-arjun-tank-developer-dies-car-crash.html

4.) HAL Chief Test Pilot Commits Suicide

Squadron Leader (Retd) Baldev Singh was involved with the LCA Programme from 1990 onwards and was deputed to the Aeronautical Development Agency for this purpose. On the LCA programme he worked extensively on the development and flight testing of the flight control laws of the Light Combat aircraft. He carried out the flight evaluation of these flight control laws at the Real Time simulator at BAE Wharton in UK followed by the flight evaluation of these control laws on the F-16, Lear Jet and NT-33 aircraft in the US.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...test-pilot-commits-suicide.html#ixzz2h1FKft00



All of these deaths are unnatural deaths in the mysterious circumstances and outside their home and office in a deserted places.


A.) Who done it???

B.) Should we have RAW taking care of our top scientists, protecting and following them silently???

c.) Should we take revenge?

there is always two sides to the story.
One is others trying to sabtage our work by eliminating our scientist.
Second is counter intelligence, our own person supplying info to others(betraying us). Thereby they are eliminated by us.
Eitherway it is worrying!

 

[Spring Onion]

TOP?

was he?

 

[President]

this is isi involvement for sure

 

[onionkiller]

@Bhai Zakir. for u bhai. source times of india.com
-------------------------------------------------------- Home » India
India's civil-military ties
worsening?
Rajat Pandit,TNN | Oct 7, 2013,
04.31AM IST
NEW DELHI: When Air Chief Marshal
NAK Browne, the country's most
senior military leader, recently wrote
to defence minister AK Antony to
demand "full representation" for the
armed forces in the new central pay
commission, it was couched in
extremely polite language.
But the underlying message was
crystal clear: the forces do not have
faith in the civilian dispensation -
largely the bureaucracy — to "fully
grasp the unique challenges" of
military service. And, hence, address
long-standing, deep concerns over
their eroding "status, parity and
equivalence" as compared to their
civilian counterparts.
The letter was a small but
significant pointer to the larger
malaise of the mounting
dysfunctional relationship between
the civilian leadership and military.
The ongoing internecine warfare
between the government and former
Army chief General VK Singh, with
"well-calculated and timed leaks", is
just the ugliest manifestation of the
plummeting equation. "There seems
to be little concern, on either side,
for the institutions being wrecked in
the process," says an insider.
The civil-military divide in the
sprawling — and monkey-infested —
corridors of South Block is nothing
new. But it has got accentuated like
never before in recent years.
"Civilian primacy over the military
has, unfortunately, morphed into
bureaucratic control... the political
leadership just twiddles its thumbs
in masterly inaction. Ex-servicemen,
for instance, have been returning
their hard-won medals for the last
five years but to no avail," says a
top general.
Responds a senior bureaucrat,
"Demands of the armed forces, which
live in their own fiefdoms, have
become highly unrealistic. The
government, for instance, has hiked
ex-servicemen pensions at least
three times since the 6th Pay
Commission, including a Rs 2,300
crore package last year."
But pay and pensions is just one of
the issues. The armed forces
complain of being systematically
downgraded over the years, which
extends to being kept at an arm's
length from policy formulation and
decision-making.
Experts say the huge politico-
bureaucratic resistance to critical
reforms in the country's higher
defence management — suggested
by the K Subramanyam-led Kargil
Review Committee and the 2001
group of ministers' report on
'reforming the national security
system' as well as the Naresh
Chandra Taskforce last year - is one
of the main reasons for the failure to
bridge the divide.
Just a few months ago, as was then
reported by TOI, the defence
ministry quietly rejected most of the
key recommendations of the Naresh
Chandra Taskforce. Pointing to lack
of consensus in the armed forces as
well as the need to consult political
parties, it shot down the proposal to
create the post of a permanent
chairman of the chiefs of staff
committee (CoSC).
This General No. 1, a four-star officer
like the three Service chiefs with a
fixed two-year tenure, would have
been the principal military advisor
to the government and an "invitee"
to the Cabinet Committee on
Security. He would have also helped
usher in some desperately-needed
synergy among the Army, Navy and
IAF in planning, procurement,
operational and doctrinal issues.
Similarly, another key
recommendation that was junked
was "cross-staffing" — posting of
military officers to MoD. Over a
decade ago, in his report, the late
strategic doyen Subramanyam had
held, "India is perhaps the only
major democracy where the armed
forces HQs are outside the apex
governmental structure."
The situation remains somewhat
similar till this day. The three
Service HQs, once merely "attached
offices", have been rechristened
"integrated HQs of ministry of
defence" with some delegation of
financial powers. But the
nomenclature change is perceived to
be "largely cosmetic". Till the armed
forces get some concrete
institutional role in policy-making,
along with effective cross-staffing,
the divide and the drift will
probably continue.

 

[VeeraBahadur]

i wonder why our nakara govt not saying anything on this matter ? @Bhai Zakir. do you have any clue what our govt saying at this matter ?

Post-mortem reports are awaited.

 

[VeeraBahadur]

this is isi involvement for sure

Stop shooting from your back and read post no. 5

 

[Dash]

there is always two sides to the story.
One is others trying to sabtage our work by eliminating our scientist.
Second is counter intelligence, our own person supplying info to others(betraying us). Thereby they are eliminated by us.
Eitherway it is worrying!

Why eliminate somebody who is providing information to enemy. You can put them to jail too!.
@Bhai Zakir......ek ke marne se kuch nahin hota hei yaar...

But look at this..INS Sindhurakshak fire, INS Chakra 2 explosion, accident of truch carrying gear box for INS Vikrant...

 

[SirHatesALot]

Why eliminate somebody who is providing information to enemy. You can put them to jail too!.
@Bhai Zakir......ek ke marne se kuch nahin hota hei yaar...

But look at this..INS Sindhurakshak fire, INS Chakra 2 explosion, accident of truch carrying gear box for INS Vikrant...

May be he supplied too much info.

 

[Dash]

May be he supplied too much info.

Thats not how it works buddy, anyways we still can call it a mystery.

 

[Malik Usman]

I thought you peoples were going to say ISI is after them and killed them.....

 

[Bhai Zakir]

Why eliminate somebody who is providing information to enemy. You can put them to jail too!.
@Bhai Zakir......ek ke marne se kuch nahin hota hei yaar...

I know but that's worry some and not to forget the secretes and capabilities can be out.

But look at this..INS Sindhurakshak fire, INS Chakra 2 explosion, accident of truch carrying gear box for INS Vikrant...

That's what i was referring to.

I thought you peoples were going to say ISI is after them and killed them.....

No, its way above the level of ISI.

Its a top notch job done perfectly only USA/Russia/china are the suspects.