Dear Manmohan Singh

[DADU]

It is literally impossible for the military of Bangladesh to launch an offensive against India, unless it has the capability to strategically attack military assets deep within Indian territory (which I doubt). Even the forces of North Eastern India alone would give our military a hard time.

According to some Bangladesh Army officers, they can defend from an Indian onslaught for 20-30 days at best. In that time, international efforts would be under way for a ceasefire.

I think Pakistan is far more capable of defending herself, even given that their military is a bit smaller than India's. The point is not to match against India, but to provide a deterrent against it.

True maybe that’s what Bangladesh lacks, a deterrence against a bigger force.
But there are always other advantages such as geographical locations e.g. chickens neck corridor(India)

^^^

You guys are forgetting Pakistan also has that "glowey" Green stuff.

Please clarify your statement!!!!!
Do you mean Islamic green???

Or nuclear missiles???? if so then are you mad?????

Why would Pak use nuclear missiles in the subcontinent????

They maybe for deterrence same as India but it’s a bad deterrent for choice.

Heck even putting them in safe zones is dangerous as all it requires is 1 leak or explosion ,accident or deliberate to set off A charge of smoke and destruction with green ash clouds coming over to India and going west /north Asia .

i think there should be a denuclearisation of the subcontinent after all when are we going to learn lessons from japan????

Peace

 

[Dalai Lama]

I meant Nuclear Green and I didn't mean that Pakistan would use it. Since you guys were discussing deterrence, I thought I'd pipe in.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

According to some Bangladesh Army officers, they can defend from an Indian onslaught for 20-30 days at best. In that time, international efforts would be under way for a ceasefire.

Zabanya,

This depend upon the War Wastage Reserve, the defence industry capability to replace the war materiel destroyed, the national economy being capable of sustaining the number of days of war, the industrial infrastructure, the issue of an embargo being imposed by countries who have supplied the aircraft, tanks, artillery et al.

Pakistan has improved from 15 days to about 25 days and that too with Arab help!

Bangladesh can sustain 30 days?

 

[Zabaniyah]

True maybe that’s what Bangladesh lacks, a deterrence against a bigger force.
But there are always other advantages such as geographical locations e.g. chickens neck corridor(India)

Still, their air force and navy are way stronger.

Please clarify your statement!!!!!
Do you mean Islamic green???

Or nuclear missiles???? if so then are you mad?????

Why would Pak use nuclear missiles in the subcontinent????

They maybe for deterrence same as India but it’s a bad deterrent for choice.

Heck even putting them in safe zones is dangerous as all it requires is 1 leak or explosion ,accident or deliberate to set off A charge of smoke and destruction with green ash clouds coming over to India and going west /north Asia .

i think there should be a denuclearisation of the subcontinent after all when are we going to learn lessons from japan????

Peace

Nukes are always the last resort. Should all of Pakistan's options run out to maintain control of her territory, then it would be justified.

Nukes are halal. I wish BD had nukes. Getting into an arms race is so much fun. No nukes? I mean who can think of such a thing?
The Japanese were a bunch of war mongering idiots. They should have surrendered even knowing that they lost the pacific war.

But then, I doubt if they'd be a nuclear war in South Asia. Those Bharots really don't have the balls

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

True maybe that’s what Bangladesh lacks, a deterrence against a bigger force.
But there are always other advantages such as geographical locations e.g. chickens neck corridor(India)

If you are meaning the Siliguri Corridor, then would be interested to know what you expect Bangladesh to do there.

But then, I doubt if they'd be a nuclear war in South Asia. Those Bharots really don't have the balls

And the Pakistanis have them as they did in the Kargil war when they threatened to use them?



It is not so easy to release nukes and think all will be well!

 

[Zabaniyah]

Zabanya,

This depend upon the War Wastage Reserve, the defence industry capability to replace the war materiel destroyed, the national economy being capable of sustaining the number of days of war, the industrial infrastructure, the issue of an embargo being imposed by countries who have supplied the aircraft, tanks, artillery et al.

That's according to some Bangladesh Army officers.

Pakistan has improved from 15 days to about 25 days and that too with Arab help!

Maybe so in case they didn't have cruise missiles, a good air force, and nukes!

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And the Pakistanis have them as they did in the Kargil war when they threatened to use them?

They threatened?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

That's according to some Bangladesh Army officers.



Maybe so in case they didn't have cruise missiles, a good air force, and nukes!

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They threatened?

BD officers then require to study warfare a little more unless they are of the Sami variety.

Air force and cruise missile do not decide wars. You must read the US military papers on the Iraq War and the effect it could achieve.

Cruise were used for Tora Bora and what did it do to Osama?

Yes, they threatened!

 

[DADU]

Zabanya,

This depend upon the War Wastage Reserve, the defence industry capability to replace the war materiel destroyed, the national economy being capable of sustaining the number of days of war, the industrial infrastructure, the issue of an embargo being imposed by countries who have supplied the aircraft, tanks, artillery et al.

Pakistan has improved from 15 days to about 25 days and that too with Arab help!Bangladesh can sustain 30 days?

Arabs can’t help themselves how can they help us????, they are a useless people …….

Heck even with their black money

They might give us say $500 million during wartime but spend billions buying their junk weapons in peace time which they don’t even know how to use.

However there are others such as china and turkey which may fill the gap for ammo, replacements etc.

Pak has a long border with India and thus it is perfectly understandable that it may be harder to defend. However even though Bangladesh is surrounded by India it has some geographical advantages to sustain war for longer then expectation.

Peace

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Arabs can’t help themselves how can they help us????, they are a useless people …….

Heck even with their black money

They might give us say $500 million during wartime but spend billions buying their junk weapons in peace time which they don’t even know how to use.

However there are others such as china and turkey which may fill the gap for ammo, replacements etc.

Pak has a long border with India and thus it is perfectly understandable that it may be harder to defend. However even though Bangladesh is surrounded by India it has some geographical advantages to sustain war for longer then expectation.

Peace

Dadu,

You must read the history of the wars and you will realise fighter aircrafts etc were sent to Pakistan to fight the war against India.

As for Arabs foisting Pakistan, have you forgotten how Saudi Arabia gave fuel free during the US embargo and then under pressure, a few years later, gave it on a 'friendly price'? The latest is that to balance the Pakistan Budget, the Govt send a Minister to Saudi Arabia to bankroll the Budget.

So, Arabs do help, even if they don't think you are equal as Muslims.

You tell me how China has helped in any of the wars with India.

It may surprise you, the longest border India has, is not with Pakistan or China, but with Bangladesh! And that is the least guarded. Bangladeshis are good chaps, no matter the cosmetic 'war of words'.

India can sustain a longer war because of the economy and foreign exchange reserves.

In the present scenario we are on pig's back. The US and the West will be less interfering given their investments in India and China will, as is normal, give vent to fire and brimstone in verbiage! They are not concerned about anything except their aim to overtake the US in all fields and that takes money! For the Chinese, who have no God, their God is Money! They shipped off even their greatest hero Mao and his Communism down the drain of memory!

 

[Zabaniyah]

BD officers then require to study warfare a little more unless they are of the Sami variety.

Air force and cruise missile do not decide wars. You must read the US military papers on the Iraq War and the effect it could achieve.

Cruise were used for Tora Bora and what did it do to Osama?

Yes, they threatened!

So, let me get this straight. India is a vast country with a vast military, coupled with a vast economy. So, with India being larger, it basically gives it an advantage.

Does India's Integrated Battle Groups come into play in this? I am curious, what does it take to come up with such a force in mind?

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In the present scenario we are on pig's back. The US and the West will be less interfering given their investments in India and China will, as is normal, give vent to fire and brimstone in verbiage! They are not concerned about anything except their aim to overtake the US in all fields and that takes money! For the Chinese, who have no God, their God is Money! They shipped off even their greatest hero Mao and his Communism down the drain of memory!

Seeing from how the Chinese members here go about, and China's interests, I would not dispute that.

Have you seen how they discuss with gambit here? Sheesh! They seem to want to overtake the US on pretty much everything, by hook or by crook!

 

[DADU]

Dadu,

You must read the history of the wars and you will realise fighter aircrafts etc were sent to Pakistan to fight the war against India.

As for Arabs foisting Pakistan, have you forgotten how Saudi Arabia gave fuel free during the US embargo and then under pressure, a few years later, gave it on a 'friendly price'? The latest is that to balance the Pakistan Budget, the Govt send a Minister to Saudi Arabia to bankroll the Budget.

So, Arabs do help, even if they don't think you are equal as Muslims.

You tell me how China has helped in any of the wars with India.

It may surprise you, the longest border India has, is not with Pakistan or China, but with Bangladesh! And that is the least guarded. Bangladeshis are good chaps, no matter the cosmetic 'war of words'.

India can sustain a longer war because of the economy and foreign exchange reserves.

In the present scenario we are on pig's back. The US and the West will be less interfering given their investments in India and China will, as is normal, give vent to fire and brimstone in verbiage! They are not concerned about anything except their aim to overtake the US in all fields and that takes money! For the Chinese, who have no God, their God is Money! They shipped off even their greatest hero Mao and his Communism down the drain of memory!

They offered to help yes I put up Saudi offering 50,000 barrels of oil if we were in a war or under harsh sanctions.

But they never lived up on their promise.

Compare the help the Arab states gave to Egypt, Syria and Jordan in Arab Israeli wars to indo-pak conflict you will see a stark difference in the level of so called help we received from those Arabs.

Heck they even put an economic embargo on USA-WEST when the Arabs lost the October 1973 war.

Did the Arabs put an embargo on India after 1971?????? NO!!!

True we received help in nuclear funding but that was finished off by 1980. We had worse relations with Libya after 1980, Saudi was busy with Iran Iraq war helping Iraqis and region players etc.

Every Pakistani knows that china is more trust worthy then any Arab state.

They just use us against their enemies like Iran because we have a large population and majority of it is Sunni.

Like I Said before in my posts , the Arabs fight amongst themselves what help would they give to others.

There is only 1 Arab king who is regarded highly in Pakistan in modern times.

Faisal of Saudi Arabia after his assassination most Arab countries grew closer to USA and Helped their economy more rather than Muslims countries.

Even he only grew closer to pak when his fellow Arabs were defeated in Yom Kippur War 1973…
Then he started giving money and gratitude to pak including for protecting the holy sites

The only help we can really expect to receive from Arabs is their foot soldiers i.e. jihadis and that my friend is a bad projection even for India because look at Iraq and Afghanistan now…

 

[Zabaniyah]

General Tiki,

No matter what, remember the Arabs only think for themselves. They don't give a damn about any 'Muslim Breatheren'.Maybe in words, but nothing really of substance.

I'd say they can be even more arrogant and hypocritical than the Americans.

Maybe that's why they lost against Israel.

Oh, and how the hell did tiny Israel win such stunning victories?!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

So, let me get this straight. India is a vast country with a vast military, coupled with a vast economy. So, with India being larger, it basically gives it an advantage.

Does India's Integrated Battle Groups come into play in this? I am curious, what does it take to come up with such a force in mind?

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Seeing from how the Chinese members here go about, and China's interests, I would not dispute that.

Have you seen how they discuss with gambit here? Sheesh! They seem to want to overtake the US on pretty much everything, by hook or by crook!

IBG is a concept that clearly indicates that India does not covet territorial chunks of Pakistan. It is only to send a 'message' of thus far and no further to Pakistan.

China is what the Americanism aptly describes - slim customer.

They are proud of their cultural superiority - the Han culturalism where they assimilate, by hook or by crook, all deviate and obstinate cultures. I have debated enough on this and so I would not add more.

Their aim is very insular and what they display for the outside world is merely 'cosmetic' and for public consumption of their high morality. India knows best - the Bandung Conference and the Principles of Panch Sheel and such flowery humbug.

The fact that they have not lifted a finger to help Pakistan to fight its arch enemy is enough of a statement.

They are self centred and sooner people understand that, they will be happier!

I would trust Bangladesh and Pakistan and take them for their word, but would be careful about China!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

General Tiki,

No matter what, remember the Arabs only think for themselves. They don't give a damn about any 'Muslim Breatheren'.Maybe in words, but nothing really of substance.

I'd say they can be even more arrogant and hypocritical than the Americans.

Maybe that's why they lost against Israel.

Oh, and how the hell did tiny Israel win such stunning victories?!

Please discuss this with Sami who did cartwheels when that minor Saudi landed in Bangladesh as also Md Akram. Come to a consensus about the Arabs, who most claim direct descendants of and then we shall discuss.

Get a clearance from Saleen S7 also.

I don't want to get mired in a bog!

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Dadu,

Don't be ungrateful.

Saudis gave you oil when the US sanctions were on!

Don't forget the fighter aircraft the Arabs gave.

These Bedous stink, but they did help!

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Since Arab helped Pk, so Pk should share their nukes with Arab based Nuclear sharing concept.


Of the three nuclear powers in NATO (France, the United Kingdom and the United States), only the United States has provided weapons for nuclear sharing. As of November 2009, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey are still hosting U.S. nuclear weapons as part of NATO's nuclear sharing policy. Canada hosted weapons until 1984,[3] and Greece until 2001. The United Kingdom also received U.S. tactical nuclear weapons such as nuclear artillery and Lance missiles until 1992, despite the UK being a nuclear weapons state in its own right; these were mainly deployed in Germany.

What are you rambling about?

Take a hold of yourself.

Get coherent and then come back!

 

[Zabaniyah]

Please discuss this with Sami who did cartwheels when that minor Saudi landed in Bangladesh as also Md Akram. Come to a consensus about the Arabs, who most claim direct descendants of and then we shall discuss.

Those two? lol

People of South Asia have a rich gene pool. Even from the Middle East and Central Asia and even as far as Europe. But enough with bloodlines. Unless they are Nazi wannabes

Things didn't end too well for those guys.