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Dear Manmohan Singh…

Dadu,

Don't be ungrateful.

Saudis gave you oil when the US sanctions were on!

Don't forget the fighter aircraft the Arabs gave.

These Bedous stink, but they did help---------- Post added at 11:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:48 PM ----------


Tiki Tam Tam don’t get your hopes up dear.

I have always supported the stance for peace but if there is a war between India –pak and I mean if there is a war then let be sure that we most probably will be alone in the engagement.

Fighter aircraft sent??## where is the link or are you just babbling on from Wikitrash??

No Arab country will attack India or help us like they did to their fellow Arabs in 67,73 etc.

And I already have mentioned that pak* cannot defeat India in a 21st century war, nuke won’t help us as you have twice the number of them in your arsenal….. so what’s the point!!

Only Peaceful Dialogue can pave the way for stability in the region…….

Peace
 
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Tiki Tam Tam don’t get your hopes up dear.

I always have supported the stance for peace but if there is a war between India –pak and I mean if there is a war then let be sure that we most probably will be alone in the engagement.

Fighter aircraft sent??## where is the link or are you just babbling on from wikitrash??

No Arab country will attack India or help us like they did to their fellow Arabs in 67,73 etc.

And I already have mentioned that pak* cannot defeat India in a 2st century war, nuke won’t help us as you have twice the number of them in your arsenal….. so what’s the point!!

Only peaceful dialogue can pave the way for stability in the region…….

Peace

You make a lot of sense.

@General Tiki: I was never aware that the Arabs contributed fighters to Pakistan. I seriously doubt if they'd do that. Those F-16s Pakistan have were bought from the US.
 
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Tiki Tam Tam don’t get your hopes up dear.

I have always supported the stance for peace but if there is a war between India –pak and I mean if there is a war then let be sure that we most probably will be alone in the engagement.

Fighter aircraft sent??## where is the link or are you just babbling on from Wikitrash??

No Arab country will attack India or help us like they did to their fellow Arabs in 67,73 etc.

And I already have mentioned that pak* cannot defeat India in a 21st century war, nuke won’t help us as you have twice the number of them in your arsenal….. so what’s the point!!

Only Peaceful Dialogue can pave the way for stability in the region…….

Peace

I have no time to teach you history.

I have many a time posted the same starting from OP Gibralter that is not even mentioned in your textbooks.

You are a good man and I am totally aware that you are a Peace supporter. I appreciate that having seen the futility and waste that war creates.

However, i cannot help but keep my eyes open!

it helps me to reduce the chances of war!
 
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Among the more startling revelations is that the US violated its own embargo to provide Pakistan with F-5A aircraft from its own inventory. At the outbreak of the war, Washington got Jordan and Iran (then a US ally) to provide Pakistan aircraft and other spares. But one of the newly declassified documents shows that Pakistan received a number of F-5A fighters which, however, arrived only after the war ended. The documents also show the effort made by Saudi Arabia and Jordan to provide military aid to Pakistan. Jordan supplied 8 F-104 Starfighters to the Pakistan Air Force, of which the Indian Air Force shot down three.

Documents reveal US tilt to Pak in 1971 - Times Of India

I have no time to wade through the net since I have already posted them.

I hope this suffices as a starter!
 
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I have no time to teach you history.

I have many a time posted the same starting from OP Gibralter that is not even mentioned in your textbooks.

You are a good man and I am totally aware that you are a Peace supporter. I appreciate that having seen the futility and waste that war creates.

However, i cannot help but keep my eyes open!

it helps me to reduce the chances of war!

No Thanks If it’s from your Indian textbooks, you were taught then i don’t need to learn history from you at all.

You sir are confusing mother India with Israel and Arabs. You are trying to project this great India facing all odds against a mighty Pakistan who got help from Arabs and whatnot…

If you got any records of Arabs fighting for Pakistan against India in its wars then please share otherwise it’s just diabolical rebuffs…

Fact is indo ^pak wars were indo ^ pak wars not indo/Arab-pak wars or indo/ china-pak wars.

If you think pak survived because of Arab help then what do you think the soviet union was doing at that time????? Preparing for Brezhnev’s dinner????

Honestly , when you hear Arab armies have landed in Pakistan to fight India then tell me I’m wrong!!!!!

Peace
 
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No Thanks If it’s from your Indian textbooks, you were taught then i don’t need to learn history from you at all.

You sir are confusing mother India with Israel and Arabs. You are trying to project this great India facing all odds against a mighty Pakistan who got help from Arabs and whatnot…

If you got any records of Arabs fighting for Pakistan against India in its wars then please share otherwise it’s just diabolical rebuffs…

Fact is indo ^pak wars were indo ^ pak wars not indo/Arab-pak wars or indo/ china-pak wars.

If you think pak survived because of Arab help then what do you think the soviet union was doing at that time????? Preparing for Brezhnev’s dinner????

Honestly , when you hear Arab armies have landed in Pakistan to fight India then tell me I’m wrong!!!!!

Peace

You make a cardinal mistake.

India under no circumstances considers Pakistan as MIGHTY!! Don't be delusional! Pakistan is just another country, a neighbour, if you will that is going through bad times because of their own making. Hardly, a mighty nation that is battling its own terrorists, sectarian scoundrels, a govt that is seconded to the military and the ISI and is at the mercy of its benefactor, the US.

Therefore, mighty? No.

I have studied with the Arab military. I daresay, if indeed they are anywhere one can call them military. They are chocolate cream soldiers at best. I have also studied with Iranians and Palestinians. They are a different kettle of fish. That is why the Arabs have fled licking their wounds against Israel always and every time, while the Hezbollah stood their ground against the Israelis.

No, Arabs will never fight. But they have equipment which their money can buy which Pakistan does not have! That they can give and have given too!

Pakistan did not survive because of Arabs, but material help matters when the US puts an embargo while India can merrily get equipment from USSR!
 
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You make a cardinal mistake.

India under no circumstances considers Pakistan as MIGHTY!! Don't be delusional! Pakistan is just another country, a neighbour, if you will that is going through bad times because of their own making. Hardly, a mighty nation that is battling its own terrorists, sectarian scoundrels, a govt that is seconded to the military and the ISI and is at the mercy of its benefactor, the US.

Therefore, mighty? No.

I have studied with the Arab military. I daresay, if indeed they are anywhere one can call them military. They are chocolate cream soldiers at best. I have also studied with Iranians and Palestinians. They are a different kettle of fish. That is why the Arabs have fled licking their wounds against Israel always and every time, while the Hezbollah stood their ground against the Israelis.

No, Arabs will never fight. But they have equipment which their money can buy which Pakistan does not have! That they can give and have given too!

Pakistan did not survive because of Arabs, but material help matters when the US puts an embargo while India can merrily get equipment from USSR!


The embargo by USA was on both india and pak …

That’s the point Tiki Tam Tam (try to understand it)
Nobody does anything for free

If you want to do a deal then you have to offer something in return whether it be cash or something related …

Do you really think the Arabs give away free money to Pakistan ??????

No they don’t !!!!! they ask for guarantees and security in return including protecting holy sites in case of emergency….

I meant Mighty as in many Indians view their defeat over pak in 1971 as overwhelming i.e. thinking they faced superior forces and numbers when we all know it’s the opposite……


India is larger than Pakistan so obviously its economy will be larger, armed forces, numerical advantage etc.

And as you so like to point out this Arab help.

Say pak wants 100 F15 fighters from Saudi Arabia for free do you think they will give us ?????

No they won’t because they are giving it away for free when they purchased it with a lot of oil money.Also they have close relationship with usa AS ANOTHER FACTOR.

And 1 should remember that Pakistan has an economy too, inwhat ever state it is it still has annual turnover of £500 billion dollars its not like they are giving us $ 70 billion a year to keep us afloat.

Like Britain gives India £300 million pounds yearly , would India not survive if they did not had the money??? Would India collapse if they did not give the money???

Exactly that’s my point as to whatever money they give us , we don’t have to rely on them to survive. We should focus on our own economy and try to improve it..

Before you barge on usa giving us $20 billion in 10 years let me remind you we have lost $70 billion in same last 10 years and them burning $10 billion a day in Afghanistan gets no notice or let up….

I am just opposed to interdependence on Arab states and USA as no benefits have been gained from it. (Corrupt pak leaders )


Peace
 
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Arabs do get things in return.

The Sheiks fear their own people. They have the Pakistani Army guarding them. That is a big deal for the Sheiks.

In Bahrain recently, Pakistan was there to help the sunni Sheik since the shias had revolted.

So, it is quid pro quo.

Britain gives the money to NGOs run by them to uplift the poor. This upliftment has religious and political connotation that our good govt turns a blind eye to. Most of the money is for the British who run and man the NGOs.
 
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Arabs do get things in return.

The Sheiks fear their own people. They have the Pakistani Army guarding them. That is a big deal for the Sheiks.

In Bahrain recently, Pakistan was there to help the sunni Sheik since the shias had revolted.

So, it is quid pro quo.

Britain gives the money to NGOs run by them to uplift the poor. This upliftment has religious and political connotation that our good govt turns a blind eye to. Most of the money is for the British who run and man the NGOs.


:lol::lol::lol: GOOD SO it’s Settled then you understand my point??? Correct? I hope so!!!!!!

PEACE
 
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Peace be on you and all!

On a Lighter note Tiki Tam Tam

May I ask how did you come about as to your name tag???

My sister watches SpongeBob sometimes and I heard this song once from it…

Which reminds me of you just a little bit :D


OTP
 
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I really don't know why I got this moniker.

I have seen this Spongebob cartoon programme too.
 
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