De-hyphenating India-Pakistan!!

[Levina]

there are elements on both sides that want to sabotage peace talks, those elements get support from anti-peace forces, who sell weapons to both Pakistan and India.. we are their markets, if we give up on peace, we give up on our future generations.. and anti-peace forces win.

Pls dont misunderstand my OP, I'm completely in favor of peace, just that I assume it will be achieved by cutting off all sorts of relations between the 2 countries.

secondly Kashmir is more close to Pakistan, then it would ever be to India,

You've been mislead because the reality is that Kashmiris want peace and democracy in the valley and that is why despite Geelani asking them to boycott elections Kashmir registered the highest voters turnout in last 25 yrs. Let me also remind you that it is a PDP-BJP govt in the valley right now, PDP managed just 3 extra seats. So now you know which side Kashmiris favor.
Jammu and Kashmir Registers Highest Voter Turnout in 25 Years, Jharkhand Breaks Records

lets earn together from tourism. but ofcourse for all this to work, it doesnot only need will but also wisdom.

Leader bhai Indians and Pakistanis dont trust each other, so how can we allow tourists??
Plus India faces a lot infiltration from across the border, tourism would only add upto our troubles.

 

[WAJsal]

It is a well known fact that Pakistan can access central asia only through Afghanistan and Iran with whom India has well established ties.

Inncorrect, Pakistan already has access to Central Asia through China, Karakorum highway. Old news...
@Atanz , can you provide some pictures, thank you, i can't seem to find them at this point.

 

[Levina]

It is not a thoughtful article about peace but expression of something else in this form !

The intention of the article is "not peaceful", basically a looser mentality which tends to think it is doing some thing else, when seen in strategic sense from Indian perspective.

will you please leave my thread?
I do not see you contributing to my thread instead taking digs at me like you did sometime back on the FB group.

 

[doppelganger]

@Srinivas please stay on this thread and bring in the much needed sanity from the Indian side.

Some people have let the demiGod status conferred upon them by lackeys and suckups go to their head. Now they are telling fellow Indians where they should contribute, and where not. On a Pakistani forum.

 

[Srinivas]

will you please leave my thread?
I do not see you contributing to my thread instead taking digs at me like you did sometime back on the FB group.

This is an online forum, next time you open a thread....open it in members section under 'stupid and funny' section when you think about India - Pakistan relations.

I have made my point and I don't think I am offending any one here since what I said is true , it is not wise to mix strategic relations with what you think and then try to confuse others who visit this forum.

Regarding taking digs at you, I am not blaming you I am only clarifying the reasoning between the article or post. Taking digs won't achieve anything.

 

[scorpionx]

where did you see me blaiming Pakistan in my OP??

I may be wrong, but that was the first impression I got from op. If two neighboring countries resort to call off all diplomatic and economic relationship, either of the two has to bear the blame for it. Pakistan became a natural choice. Excuse me if I made a mistake there.

when and how did we try to dehyphenate???

After every war and every terror attack the CBMs hit a roadblock, some times scrapped. Diplomatic missions sent in the West with proofs and dossiers, but in vein. De-hyphenating efforts were tried on diplomatic levels, trade and commerce and sometimes in sports, but they never met with success. Whenever a new leadership came into New Delhi it had its very old wine in some new bottles and talks seem to take off again without taking lessons from the past experience. This has been a ridiculous approach so far.

 

[Srinivas]

@Srinivas please stay on this thread and bring in the much needed sanity from the Indian side.

Some people have let the demiGod status conferred upon them by lackeys and suckups go to their head. Now they are telling fellow Indians where they should contribute, and where not. On a Pakistani forum.

Thanks Mate !

 

[doppelganger]

Thanks Mate !

You are most welcome. Take a look at the poll results and see who agrees with you.

 

[Arsalan]

I beg to differ.
My points are completely acceptable to the Indian crowd here, and to some of the Pakistanis too, K word is the problem though.
If you look at it closely then our diplomatic relations are as good as bad, so relegrating each other to consular status would not effect either party. Also, why bother to carry out trade when MFN status could also not bring any substantial change to it??? The trade volume is embarrasingly low.

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This is not practically possible Levina
Both CANNOT resist the temptation to poke there nose into the matters of others. Both will leave no chance go by where they can actually cause any harm to other. This is how things are. Even if some people agree with what you proposed (I do not) they will are only analyzing how it looks on paper. In a real world, it won’t be possible.

No matter how much we want peace, there will always be extremist on both sides willing to sabotage any peace drive. Have you seen the posts on this forum? It is JUST AN INTERNET forum for crying out loud, still it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to contain the debate when it comes to Pakistan vs India. You think these men will just walk away? they wont!

 

[Imran Khan]

Eu learn after too much bloodshed when we will learn peace

 

[Levina]

Inncorrect, Pakistan already has access to Central Asia through China, Karakorum highway. Old news...

And I thought it was a tenuous and vulnerable connecting link across some of the most formidable mountains in the world.

@Atanz , can you provide some pictures, thank you, i can't seem to find them at this point.

@Atanz is working right now. Lolzz

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This is not practically possible Levina
Both CANNOT resist the temptation to poke there nose into the matters of others. Both will leave no chance go by where they can actually cause any harm to other. This is how things are. Even if some people agree with what you proposed (I do not) they will are only analyzing how it looks on paper. In a real world, it won’t be possible.

No matter how much we want peace, there will always be extremist on both sides willing to sabotage any peace drive. Have you seen the posts on this forum? It is JUST AN INTERNET forum for crying out loud, still it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to contain the debate when it comes to Pakistan vs India. You think these men will just walk away? they wont!

I confess that I agree to every point you've raised, just that after the recent turn of events I've completely given up on "peace talks", talks have been happening since long but it has not achieved anything tangible. Premiers of both the countries are making sincere attempts to bring peace, but ofcourse somebody doesnt want it to happen and would go to any extent to keep both the countries on tenter-hooks.
I do not see a better solution than what I have suggested in my OP.
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I may be wrong, but that was the first impression I got from op. If two neighboring countries resort to call off all diplomatic and economic relationship, either of the two has to bear the blame for it. Pakistan became a natural choice. Excuse me if I made a mistake there.

My point was, India and Pakistan should stop pointing finger at each other and work on something to achieve peace, that's if we are serious about bringing peace in the region.

De-hyphenating efforts were tried on diplomatic levels, trade and commerce and sometimes in sports, but they never met with success. Whenever a new leadership came into New Delhi it had its very old wine in some new bottles and talks seem to take off again without taking lessons from the past experience. This has been a ridiculous approach so far.

One reason we have not been successful so far is because we always shied away from taking stern actions. Llike @SwAggeR quoted, US and Cuba should be taken as an example here, after putting each other on ignore list for long they could bury the hatchet and could finally come to terms. What I suggested might take time, but is definitely effective.

 

[nForce]

Well so far, it is quite clear people from both sides want both the govt. to interact with each other and not break diplomatic ties. World is full of optimist people, what can I say..

@levina

 

[WAJsal]

And I thought it was a tenuous and vulnerable connecting link across some of the most formidable mountains in the world.

Better than nothing. Plus, it is good enough. The whole of Karakorum is dangerous, gotta do what we gotta do.

 

[doppelganger]

Well so far, it is quite clear people from both sides want both the govt. to interact with each other and not break diplomatic ties. World is full of optimist people, what can I say..

@levina

Where did you get that idea from the poll choices responded to?

I for one do not believe anything is to be gained by talking or not talking.

That does not mean I believe the alternative is jumping into each other's arms.

 

[nForce]

Where did you get that idea from the poll choices responded to?

I for one do not believe anything is to be gained by talking or not talking.

That does not mean I believe the alternative is jumping into each other's arms.

Look at the poll no. Majority against cutting off diplomatic ties.