DCN/Amaris Can Still Win PN...for Frigates.

[Quwa]

They may have lost the submarine tender, but the French don't have to leave us in the dust yet. The PN still has to release a tender for new generation multi-mission frigates. The company displayed FREMM and a couple other designs during IDEAS 2008:

I see FREMM...but I also see the smaller designs! No surprise displaying it at IDEAS 2008.

Though we should note that DCNS is actively working on the FM400 frigate design...a 4000 ton multi-mission FFG retaining most of FREMM's capabilities, but a smaller and less expensive vessel.

http://www.dcnsgroup.com/products/?lang=en&page=1224925732390

 

[Quwa]

DCNS Unveils FM400, Gowind Warships

By pierre tran

Published: 19 Sep 14:13 EDT (18:13 GMT) Print | Email

LORIENT, France - Naval company DCNS unveiled Sept. 17 plans for the FM400, a range of 4,000-metric-ton frigates aimed at export markets and derived from the larger FREMM multimission warship bought by France and Italy.

DCNS markets the FM400 as a "combat and control frigate," with four versions of the same platform, DCNS executive Marc Le Roy told a news conference organized by the GICAN trade association, which hosts the Euronaval trade show opening Oct. 27.

The warship builder has drawn on its work on the 6,000-ton FREMM frigate to design the FM400, which will be offered to world navies in models optimized for general purpose, anti-submarine, air defense and land attack missions.

The planned ship is intended to operate in blue and "brown" coastal waters, working against conventional and asymmetrical threats, independently and as part of a task force, Le Roy said. The vessel uses a stealthy design and would be offered with the new Setis combat management system, which centralizes information from the ship's sensors and provides decision support for engagement.

The FM400 would be 126 meters long, have a top speed of 25 to 29 knots, sail up to 7,500 nautical miles and accommodate up to 130 personnel, including a crew of about 100. No price details were available.

A crew of 108 can run the FREMM vessel instead of the 250 needed to operate an older frigate, said François-Olivier Dall, FREMM program manager for the Délégation Générale pour l'Armement, (DGA), the procurement office. That smaller crewing is possible because of a high level of automation, which means a savings of around 20 percent in operational costs and higher operational availability, he said.

France and Italy worked together to agree on a general design of the FREMM, and share commonality of 25 percent on the ship, as each country opted for national preferences in equipment and detailed design for internal layout, Dall said. That commonality compares with 90 percent on the Horizon air defense frigate, of which France and Italy are each buying two units.

DCNS has also extended the range of its Gowind corvette, which is now offered from 1,000 to 2,500 tons, and has been branded in the combat, action, presence and control missions.

The ships' lengths go from 85 meters to 105 meters and can be used in operations in littoral waters, economic exclusion zones and the high seas. Prices of the Gowind depend on the equipment ordered, Le Roy said.

DCNS hopes to sell the Gowind to Bulgaria and the FREMM to Greece.

The naval systems company is under pressure to sell more ships to foreign governments to offset a decline in orders in France as a result of budgetary cuts. The French government is expected to reduce its buy of FREMM warships from 17 to 11, and DCNS must sign export deals to make up the difference if it is to maintain a competitive pricing for the multimission vessel in markets at home and abroad.

DCNS Unveils FM400, Gowind Warships - Defense News

 

[Quwa]

Other very interesting links:

DCNS launches a new family of frigates: Model 400: Association of Marine Reservists

Translated version of http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=108302

 

[Super Falcon]

my friends germans are not far away check ou this german frigate it is state of the art to and up to date


The German Navy's new F125 frigate will have the capability to be deployed worldwide for up to two years before returning to the home base and can be in operation for up to 5,000 hours a year, including under tropical conditions.

The main mission of the F125 frigate is taking part in joint assignments, including multinational assignments in network-centric operations. The 5,500t displacement frigate has a new and stealthy design of hull and superstructure, which appears to be based on a highly modified Meko-D configuration.

"Each F125 frigate has two crews of typically 105 to 120 people which are changed every four months."The German Navy started to plan a successor for the F122 Bremen Class frigates in 1997. The German Navy operates eight Bremen Class F122 frigates, which entered service between 1982 and 1990.

The concept of the replacement frigates was originally as a multi-role combatant but, by 2005 the requirement for the F125 was based on a capability to counter asymmetric threats and perform stabilisation operations with lethal and non-lethal intervention. The German Navy announced that the F125 would be armed with land attack systems and air warfare point-defence equipment but would not be equipped with sonar.

In June 2007, ThyssenKrupp announced the Arge F125 consortium had been contracted by the Federal Office for Defence Technology and Procurement (BWB) for four F125 frigates. The Arge F125 consortium comprises the industrial leader, ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (including Blohm + Voss and Nordseewerke) with Lurssen Werft. Construction is expected to start in 2011 and delivery of the first of class F125 is scheduled for 2014. Deliveries are expected to take place at one-year to two-year intervals with completion of delivery of all four frigates between 2017 and 2022.

F125 crew

Each frigate has two crews of typically 105 to 120 people, who are changed every four months. The number of crew represents an approximately 50% reduction in crew compared to previous generation frigates and is achieved partly through a high level of automation.

The frigate also accommodates 50 special forces and their equipment. The special forces' transportation can be two helicopters or four armed boats.

Command and control

In March 2006, EADS was contracted to supply the F125 command and control and weapons deployment system, FuWES (Fuhrungs-und Waffeneinsatzsystem). The contract covered the development and delivery of the system, including the complete software, hardware and infrastructure and the FuWES testing and performance verification for all four frigates.

The FuWES system has an open and modular structure allowing flexibility to accommodate future additional or modified systems. In order to provide tactical data exchange and a high level of interoperability with other joint and combined military platforms, the communications systems, link 11, link 16 and link 22 are integrated into F125 command and control system. The combat management system is operated from the Atlas Elektronik OMADA consoles, designed specifically for the F125.

Weapons

The ship is equipped for defence against air attack and also for land attack.

The F125 is also armed with non-lethal weapons, such as water cannons and searchlights for non-provocative deterrence and defence.

F125 guns

The ship is fitted with ten guns, 12.7mm to 155mm, which allow fast automatic engagement.

The BWB awarded Oto Melara contracts for the supply of five 127/64 LW Alleggerito lightweight naval guns, four for installation on the F125 frigates and the fifth for training.

"The F125 ship is equipped for defence against air attack and also for land attack."The gun is installed on the forward gun deck. The turret of the 127/64 Alleggerito has a low radar cross section.

The gun has two automatic feeding devices (AFDs), one for the charges and one for the projectiles, the rounds being automatically assembled before entering the turret, and can fire long-range Vulcano ammunition. The guns have a 35-rounds-a-minute rate of fire and a range of 23km against surface targets and 8.6km against airborne target.

The German Navy has also selected the Oto Melara remote controlled 12.7mm HITROLE naval turret in the naval tilting (NT) option for the F125. The contract covers the supply of 25 systems, five for installation of each of the four frigates and five for installation on land for training.

Missiles

Two quadruple missile launchers for the Boeing RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile are installed amidship on the missile deck forward of the funnel. The Harpoon missiles are armed with a 227kg warhead and use active radar homing. The missiles have a high subsonic speed (Mach 0.9) and a range of up to 130km.

The F125 has two 21-cell mk49 launchers armed with the Raytheon RIM-116 rolling airframe missile (RAM). The RAM point defence missile is a lightweight infrared homing surface-to-air missile for deployment against incoming anti-ship cruise missiles. The forward launcher is installed immediately forward of the bridge and the aft launcher is installed on the roof of the helicopter hangar just forward of the helicopter deck.

Sensors

The frigates have no conventional on-board sonar but instead have a diver and swimmer detection sonar to counter terrorist and special forces threats. The frigates are equipped with a 360° infrared surveillance system installed on the front surface of the tower mast at a position just lower than the air and surface search radar.

Radar systems will include an EADS TRS-3D air and surface search radar, navigation and fire control radars. The TRS-3D radar carries out automatic detection, track initiation and tracking of all types of air and sea targets.

The navigation radar is installed on the roof of the bridge.

Countermeasures

Much of the electronic warfare suite has not been announced but it will include four Rheinmetall MASS multi ammunition soft-kill systems. The MASS decoy and mini mortar dispensers are installed on the port and starboard sides above the bridge and on the helicopter hangar roof.

"The F125 has two 21-cell mk49 launchers armed with the Raytheon RIM-116 rolling airframe missile (RAM)."Aircraft

The frigate has a 490m² aft helicopter deck and a hangar for two NH-90 helicopters. The NH-90 helicopters have a range of 790km.

Propulsion

The frigates are fitted with a new combined diesel electric and gas (CODLAG) electrical propulsion system with a 20MW gas turbine, four 11.6MW diesel engines, and two 9.4MW electric motors. The machinery drives two shafts with five-bladed controllable-pitch propellers.

The main machinery will run for 30,000 hours between major overhauls. The F125 is fitted with bow thrusters for precision dockyard manoeuvring without assistance.


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The German Navy's new F125 frigate will have the capability to be deployed worldwide for up to two years before returning to the home base and can be operated up to 5,000 hours a year, including under tropical conditions.

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The F125 frigates will be armed with the Oto Melara 127/64 LW Alleggerito lightweight naval guns which have a rate of fire of 34 rounds a minute and a range of 23km against surface targets and 8.6km against airborne targets.

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The F125 frigate has a 490m² aft helicopter deck and a hangar for two NH-90 helicopters, which have a range of 790km.

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Two quadruple missile launchers for the Boeing RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile are installed amidship on the missile deck forward of the funnel.

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[Super Falcon]

is it true that PN will release soon frigte tender if it is germans are the good choice for frigates. i think and what happened about Oliver Perry frigates

 

[Super Falcon]

Netherland is not too bad for us we should try Dutch this time give them a chance

 

[TOPGUN]

Are we getting any french ships?

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

the thing I don't get is, why is the PN looking at these frigates as command and control ships? they're way too small and only carry 32 VLS cells. I think it would be a better idea to acquire the type 054 A (or B if it exists) and acquire the technology.

the main idea is to work on our AAW capability as much as possible. although the Turks have nothing concrete for their TF-100/2000 project, recent turk-korean military cooperation points towards a "rip-off" from the KDX-III destroyer. If so (insha'Allah), that would be the most devastating destroyer to ever patrol our waters.

it would (insha'Allah) have powerful radars and enough VLS to take care of the AAW aspects, ASW for ASROC-type weapons, and last but not least, long range cruise missiles giving us a true blue water navy. I stress the fact that a command and control ship should be a missile-guided destroyer, since they have large radars for AAW capabilities. More powerful radars and processing capabilities is required for a true command and control ship, not a multi-mission frigate.

 

[Quwa]

asaad-ul-islam;

As far as I've heard, PN is seeking up to 8 medium-weight (3500~4500 tonnes) frigates to act as mainstay ships, not as command & control. The FM400 would play this role well IMO...it was designed to operate in waters and roles similar to ours. For command & control the PN is looking for a bigger ship.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

asaad-ul-islam;

As far as I've heard, PN is seeking up to 8 medium-weight (3500~4500 tonnes) frigates to act as mainstay ships, not as command & control. The FM400 would play this role well IMO...it was designed to operate in waters and roles similar to ours. For command & control the PN is looking for a bigger ship.

my fault, can you tell us about the 30 ships that will fall into the AFMP-2019? I'm a bit confused, as whether the type 054A will be included within the 8 multi-mission frigates, or if it will be purchased separately regardless of FREMM.

second, are there any destroyers we are looking at that will fit into the command&control ship requirement? Type 052C or perhaps the TF-2000 when the designs materialize?

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Turkey’s MİLGEM to build military ships for Pakistan

Turkey and Pakistan will cooperate on a venture to supply warships developed under MİLGEM, Turkey’s national ship project, to the Pakistani Naval Force.

The MİLGEM project, carried out jointly by Turkey’s Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) and the Turkish Naval Forces, is a landmark project that developed the country’s first corvette-class warship.

The STM defense company is working on the MİLGEM project. Speaking to Turkish journalists yesterday in Karachi, which is currently hosting the fifth International Defense Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) 2008, Savaş Onur, a retired admiral who is currently the MİLGEM project manager, said the fair has been a very good opportunity for Turkish defense companies to promote their projects. “We also display MİLGEM here, which is one of the most important projects Turkey has produced in the past few years.”

Onur said the project was of a scale that would have a long-term impact on the Turkish shipbuilding and defense industries. “Pakistan needs more ships like this. We are planning to carry out a joint project with Pakistan for these corvettes.”

Onur said that more than 50 Turkish firms -- including the largest defense firms, Aselsan, Havelsan and STM -- have played a role in the MİLGEM project, gaining invaluable experience in warship building.

He said the three defense firms have merged forces to supply Pakistan’s demand for corvette ships. “This is a four ship corvette project. The first ship will be designed and built in Turkey, while the three others will be built in Pakistan’s military shipyards. This is really a comprehensive project. It is expected to last 10 years,” he said.

He noted that Turkey has had talks with Pakistan about this project for nearly two years. “We can say that we are reaching an agreement. I think we will realize the project successfully. The Turkish defense industry has the capacity to manage such projects.”


http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/de...0147&bolum=100

 

[IceCold]

They may have lost the submarine tender, but the French don't have to leave us in the dust yet. The PN still has to release a tender for new generation multi-mission frigates. The company displayed FREMM and a couple other designs during IDEAS 2008:

I see FREMM...but I also see the smaller designs! No surprise displaying it at IDEAS 2008.

Though we should note that DCNS is actively working on the FM400 frigate design...a 4000 ton multi-mission FFG retaining most of FREMM's capabilities, but a smaller and less expensive vessel.

DCNS | Products

I sure hope and pray for this one. Seriously we do need to move on from everything made in China to something like made in France. France is a reliable supplier of arms in the past as well. Multirole frigate is something that we need and of more displacement then the current F-22p. We as yet do not have a decent anti air capability on any of our frigates not even the F-22p.

 

[Super Falcon]

i still think we need destroyers more than we do frigates. destroyers carry heavy missiles and torpedos than frigates do

 

[zeeshuisb]

FREMM(French Frégate multi-mission or Italian Fregata Europea Multi-Missione) is a ship designed by DCN and Fincantieri to operate in anti-air, anti-submarine and anti-ship warfare, and be capable of carrying out deep strikes against land targets. the reason of chosing FREMM is that pakistan have a small navy as compare to our enemy and our enemy considered this as our greatest weekness. we should go for quality equipment for our navy not for quantity. america never attack a country with a considerable navy. the resons for american drones is our lack of naval capability. we have to build a strong navy as soon as possible. the details of FREMM is below

The French Navy plans to operate eleven FREMM frigates, and the Marina Militare ten. The first commissionings are expected in 2012 when the first of the French vessels is due in service (France has placed orders for 11 FREMM frigates, Italy 6 with the last 4 has been funded at the end of 2007). The ships will be built in France by Armaris (owned by DCNS, and in Italy by Orizzonte Sistemi Navali (a joint venture between shipbuilder Fincantieri and aerospace firm Finmeccanica). This arrangement extends the partnerships forged for development of the Horizon CNGFs (Common New Generation Frigates). Morocco has bought one frigate to be operated by the Royal Moroccan Navy.
France will use 9 frigates to replace the anti-submarine Tourville class frigates (F67 type), the anti-submarine Georges Leygues class frigates (F70 type) and 2 FREDA frigates to replace the two units of the anti-aircraft Cassard class.
Italy will build 4 ASW and 6 general-purpose (GP) frigates to replace the (8) Maestrale and (4) Lupo class frigates.
The first eight French ships have been named Aquitaine, Normandie, Provence, Bretagne, Auvergne, Languedoc, Alsace and Lorraine. The first two Italian ships have been named Carlo Bergamini and Carlo Margottini.
“Multimission concept” as its motto
Air, land or sea… whatever the source of the threat, the FREMM multimission frigate can rise to the challenge. Acting as a deterrent, it operates alone. Equipped with state-of-the-art communications systems, it plays a decisive role within an inter-allied force, for which it can provide limited staff headquarters facilities or coordinate a specific mission.

Mission

The European frigate of the future

FREMM is much more than the most recent generation of European frigates. Its firepower, its ability to process information, to communicate and pursue action in a network, its stealth capacity unrivalled in the world of fighting vessels, combine to make it the ideal amphibian partner to submarines. Its extreme discretion increases the chance that the missions it pursues, in complete safety, will be crowned in success, irrespective of the theater of operations (e.g.: a special forces mission).

FREMM fully deserves its reputation as the “European frigate of the future.” From its initial design to ultimate dismantling, everything has been carefully thought out to minimize its impact on society and the natural environment at every level, from the choice of materials to the recycling of wastewater. This responsible approach is based, in particular, on ensuring compliance with IMO standards (International Maritime Organization).

Features

Available in several versions using the same production platform (anti-submarine, anti-surface or anti-aircraft engagement, anti-aircraft defense, land attacks), FREMM is fitted out with a cutting-edge combat system and includes the Naval SCALP missile for in-depth surgical strikes
• Length overall: 142 m
• Beam: 20 m
• Displacement: 6,000 tonnes (approx.)
• Max. speed: 27 knots
• Complement: 108

Versions

Three versions of the frigates are planned: one anti-submarine version, one anti-aircraft version (FR) FREDA and a general-purpose (IT) version. French and Italians will use these with some equipment which will differ between the two countries. The French are considering an anti-aircraft version called FREDA, which will replace the two units of the Cassard class.
In spite of the existence of three different versions of the FREMM, their design as well as most of their armament will be similar.

Common armament

• MU 90 torpedoes
• MM-40 Exocet block 3 (France version)
• Teseo\Otomat Mk-2/A block 4, for naval and land attack (Italian version)
• MBDA Aster SAAM in SYLVER launchers
• Otobreda 76 mm Super Rapid gun with Davide ammunition
• two light guns (20mm in French version and 25mm in Italian version)
• NH90 helicopter, capability for EH101 (Italian version)

Anti-Submarine version

• Towed sonar : Captas UMS 4249
• Other torpedoes
• MILAS ASW missile (Italian ASW FF only)
• Multi-beam echo sounder (Italian ASW FF only)

Land attack version

The Land attack version is dubbed GP ("General Purpose")
• Otobreda 127/64 LW with Vulcano guided ammution with a range up to 120km (Italian LA only)

Anti-air version

The anti-air version is dubbed FREDA ("Frégates de défense aériennes", "Air defence frigate"). Following the cancellation of the third and fourth Horizon class frigates, the French Navy has started studies for an anti-air version of the FREMM, called FREDA. The FREDA should carry 16 Aster 30 and 16 Aster 15. They would also have the standard dotation of one 76 mm gun, two 20 mm guns and 8 Exocet missiles.

 

[zeeshuisb]

French DCNS Mistral Class LHD (Force Projection/Amphibious Assault/Command and Control Ship)

Mistral has the capability to be use as a helicopter carrier with its 6 helicopter landing spots and the capacity to accomodate 16 heavy or 35 light helicopters. The flight deck of each ship is approximately 6,400 square metres (69,000 sq ft).

The Mistral is also an efficient commandement and control center. with a 850-square-metre (9,100 sq ft) command centre which can host up to 150 personnel. Information from the ship's sensors is centralised in the SENIT system (Système d’Exploitation Navale des Informations Tactiques, "System for Naval Usage of Tactical Information"), a derivative of the US Navy's Naval Tactical Data System (NTDS). SENIT 9 is based around Thales' tri-dimensional MRR3D-NG Multi Role Radar, which operations on the C band and incorporates IFF capabilities. SENIT 9 also be connected to NATO data exchange formats through Link 11, Link 16 and Link 22.

As of 2008, the two Mistral class ships were armed with two Simbad launchers for Mistral missiles, two Brenda Mauser 30 mm/70 guns, and four 12.7 mm M2-HB Browning machine guns.

With its powerful communications system, its fully redundant equipment and excellent maneuvering capabilities, it plays a pivotal role in the deployment of peacekeepers, in deterrence or the projection of naval power. Mistral class ships can accommodate up to 450 soldiers, although this can be doubled for short-term deployments. The 2,650-square-metre (28,500 sq ft) vehicle hangar can carry a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalion, or a 13-strong Leclerc tank company and 46 other vehicles. By comparison, Foudre class ships can carry up to 100 vehicles, including 22 AMX-30 tanks in the significantly smaller 1,000-square-metre (11,000 sq ft) deck. The 885-square-metre (9,530 sq ft) well deck can accommodate four landing craft. The ships are capable of operating two LCAC hovercraft, and although the French Navy appears to have no intention of purchasing any LCACs, this capability improves the class' ability to interoperate with the United States Marine Corps and the Royal Navy. The LCACs can make landfall on 70% of the coastlines of the world; conventional landing craft can only make landfall on 30%, as they are limited to sand beaches or swamps. The DGA is contemplating modernisation of the landing craft fleet with 59-tonne landing crafts (EDA, Engins de débarquement amphibies).

Mistral can also be used as a Hospital ship. Each ship carries a NATO Role 3 medical facility, comparable to the hospital of a 25,000-inhabitant city. Any pathology can be treated aboard, including complex issues like neurosurgery, though the use of a SYRACUSE-based telemedicine system.

The hospital provides 20 rooms. There are two surgery blocks with 7 intensive care beds, and a radiology room fitted with a scanner. Capacity is 69 beds, including 50 for intensive care, but it can be extended to 120 beds by installing a mobile medical facility in the helicopter hangar.

Type:landing platform helicopter
Displacement:16,500 tons (empty)
21,300 tons (full load)
32,300 tons (with ballasts)
Length:199 metres (650 ft)
Beam:32 metres (100 ft)
Draught:6.3 metres (21 ft)
Installed power:3 Wärtsilä diesels-alternators 16 V32 (6,2 MW) + 1 Wärtsilä Vasaa auxiliary diesel-alternator 18V200 (3 MW)
Propulsion:2 Mermaïd electric motors (2 × 7 MW), 2 5-bladed propellers
Speed:18.8 knots (35 km/h)
Range:10,800 kilometres (5,800 nmi) at 18 knots (33 km/h)
19,800 kilometres (10,700 nmi) at 15 knots (28 km/h)
Boats and landing craft carried:4 CTM (chaland de transport de matériel)
alternatively, 2 LCAC (Landing Craft, Air Cushion)
Capacity:59 vehicles (including 13 Leclerc tanks) or a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalion
Troops:900 (short duration)
450 (long durations)
150 (serving as operational headquaters)
Complement:20 officers, 80 petty officers, 60 quarter-masters
Sensors and processing systems:DRBN-38A Decca Bridgemaster E250 navigation radar
MRR3D-NG air/surface sentry radar
2 optronic fire control systems
Armament:2 x Simbad systems
2 x 30 mm Breda-Mauser guns
4 x 12.7 mm M2-HB Browning machine guns
Aircraft carried:16 heavy or 35 light helicopters
Aviation facilities:6 helicopter landing spots

Export

Since 1997, and particularly since the Euronaval 2007, the Mistral type has been promoted for export. The "BPC family" comprises the BPC 140 (13,500 tonnes), the BPC 160 (16,700 tonnes) and the BPC 250 (24,542 tonnes, 214.5 metres (704 ft) long). The BPC 250 was the design from which the final Mistral class design was derived: the reduction in length and other modifications were a price-saving exercise.

According to the DGA, the South African Navy, the Deutsche Marine, the Canadian Forces Maritime Command, the Royal Malaysian Navy, and the Swedish Navy might show an interest in the ships. The Indian Navy has also expressed interest in the design of the Mistral type. Brazil and Turkey could in time consider purchasing BPCs. Algeria is also considering the purchase of two BPCs.