Dawood's conversation recorded by Western intelligence agency, location traced to Karachi

[Neuro]

We are incapable( for more than two decades) to kill him ;till now Pakistan not handover him to us . In that situation better close that case or forgive him.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

We are incapable( for more than two decades) to kill him ;till now Pakistan not handover him to us . In that situation better close that case or forgive him.

yes right,

modi already made clear , by now operation is also underway.... only made noise to either to move him from his current location or to know its hide out.

 

[xyxmt]

Funny new twist about the location of most sought after person on this planet.
I have one news for Indians: get off your high horse because its not a horse its a dog you sitting on and that too is the type that wuff wuff 24/7 on imaginary intruders.
2nd news for Indians: west doest give a $hit about your problem, so after wuffing wuffing in a pack by yourself now you bringing in white masters to make your wuffing more credible. well white master only like your obedient nature and thats all.

as of now there is no news, no mention not even a wink from white masters about dawood, as far as his location is concerned maybe he lives in Pakistan but so does Hafiz saeed so now what?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yea right. Nice moaning. Because Dawood has been on the run for 20 years now.......and so many elections happened, each time Indians come out as fools.

Do you find nothing ironic about your statement? You never cease to amaze with your utterly short-sighted smugness.

India does not have balls to invite top chief in Delhi...that's why they have opened numerous consulates all along the pakistani border to facilitate him and his associates at their door steps.

Looks like mr brothers in arms retired from the state dept. with Indian origin..HunHun


Western intelligence and your raw behind loads of the things in Pakistan....so what's new in it.

And what is your number for the number of Indian consulates? Last time I gave somebody a negative rating, it was an otherwise very respected member, someone whose views I admire and usually agree with, because he promoted a number without verifying the publicly available facts.

Incidentally, since when did Kandahar, Herat and Mazhar-i-Sharif get to the Pakistani border?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Its not a breaking news....

Everybody knows where he stays.

Really? And he struts around making business deals and attending weddings and parties and yet not a single photograph of him in Karachi has surfaced?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Really? And he struts around making business deals and attending weddings and parties and yet not a single photograph of him in Karachi has surfaced?

What wonderful things might be expected if a single photograph of him in Karachi surfaces? Of all people, you, arguing in this vein? O tempora, O mores...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Don't forget how Pakistanis used to mock US about the presence of OBL in Pakistan. Sooner or later he will also be found in Pakistan.

Pakistan was instrumental in obtaining intelligence on OBL's courier who was eventually used to track down OBL's location, something that the US is now also admitting:

A footnote on page 399 of the Senate report says al-Baluchi was arrested along with another al-Qaeda operative, Khallad bin Attash, by Pakistani authorities on April 29, 2003. “Upon his arrest in Pakistan, Ammar al-Baluchi was cooperative and provided information on a number of topics to foreign government interrogators, including information on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti that the CIA disseminated prior to al-Baluchi being transferred to CIA custody,” the footnote says.
Senate CIA Report Makes Case Torture Worked in Pakistan - Bloomberg View

What wonderful things might be expected if a single photograph of him in Karachi surfaces? Of all people, you, arguing in this vein? O tempora, O mores...

I'd like some more credible evidence than these standard inane Indian government and media allegations that surface from time to time.

And quite frankly I thought the same thing, why were you of all people speaking out in support of such unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

[truthseeker2010]

To all the indian's, if you like to get dawood and know where is he, why don't ur all powerful military/ intel agencies do a covert op and take him from pak, lets give it a try.....

 

[Zarvan]

To all the indian's, if you like to get dawood and know where is he, why don't ur all powerful military/ intel agencies do a covert op and take him from pak, lets give it a try.....

I am also telling them to do this

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Whoa! you think OBL getting killed in Pakistan and living in the biggest building in the area, a short distance from your West point was a conspiracy?

The ridiculous implication behind your comment is that somehow the 'biggest residential buildings around certain government structures should automatically become suspicious'. Nothing, in terms of the architecture of the OBL's residence in Abbottabad' was suspicious given the trend in Pakistan by conservative families to build high walls and maintain privacy.

And as I pointed out in my earlier post, the US is now in fact admitting that the initial intelligence on OBL's courier (Al Kuwaiti) in fact came from Pakistan. It is the US that cut Pakistan out of the loop after that point in terms of developing that intelligence further and tracking OBL down - critical intelligence was hidden from Pakistan, not the other way around.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Pakistan was instrumental in obtaining intelligence on OBL's courier who was eventually used to track down OBL's location, something that the US is now also admitting:

A footnote on page 399 of the Senate report says al-Baluchi was arrested along with another al-Qaeda operative, Khallad bin Attash, by Pakistani authorities on April 29, 2003. “Upon his arrest in Pakistan, Ammar al-Baluchi was cooperative and provided information on a number of topics to foreign government interrogators, including information on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti that the CIA disseminated prior to al-Baluchi being transferred to CIA custody,” the footnote says.
Senate CIA Report Makes Case Torture Worked in Pakistan - Bloomberg View


I'd like some more credible evidence than these standard inane Indian government and media allegations that surface from time to time.

And quite frankly I thought the same thing, why were you of all people speaking out in support of such unsubstantiated nonsense.

Right. Define credible evidence.

I, for one, am totally convinced that he spends his time in Pakistan and in the UAE. He is well integrated into Pakistani society, his family has married people from families not entirely unknown, and there are enough published and public reports from foreign intelligence agencies about his intermittent presence.

Why must we drag it down into the OBL kind of 'Yes he is', 'No he isn't' kind of brawl? So tell me, while my sunny mood from a successful visit to the dentist continues to cast its rays around, what will convince you? A personal meeting and an autograph? I really wonder.

The ridiculous implication behind your comment is that somehow the 'biggest residential buildings around certain government structures should automatically become suspicious'(1). Nothing, in terms of the architecture of the OBL's residence in Abbottabad' was suspicious given the trend in Pakistan by conservative families to build high walls and maintain privacy.

And as I pointed out in my earlier post, the US is now in fact admitting that the initial intelligence on OBL's courier (Al Kuwaiti) in fact came from Pakistan. It is the US that cut Pakistan out of the loop after that point in terms of developing that intelligence further and tracking OBL down - critical intelligence was hidden from Pakistan, not the other way around. (2)

Isn't that over-reach? Who said that? The statement that the poor guy made was that surely his presence there was more than a bit curious. He could have been hiding in a hundred other places, I presume less marked by a military presence, unless the military presence is universal. How come he was found so close to support and succour from services sources?

I agree that this itself might sound to unfriendly ears like a conspiracy theory.

The second point is thought-provoking. At the moment, nothing more than that.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Right. Define credible evidence.

Something more than the usual media and Indian government utterances.

I, for one, am totally convinced that he spends his time in Pakistan and in the UAE. He is well integrated into Pakistani society, his family has married people from families not entirely unknown, and there are enough published and public reports from foreign intelligence agencies about his intermittent presence.

Then images/video of DI at all these events should certainly not be hard to provide, especially in today's age of cameras in phones and various other devices. And regular international travel especially is something that cannot go unnoticed for long.

The only thing we have in terms of "public and published reports" are the usual regurgitation of unsubstantiated Indian allegations that DI is in Pakistan.

Why must we drag it down into the OBL kind of 'Yes he is', 'No he isn't' kind of brawl? So tell me, while my sunny mood from a successful visit to the dentist continues to cast its rays around, what will convince you? A personal meeting and an autograph? I really wonder.

OBL was the US's fault, as I pointed out above - Pakistan obtained intelligence on the OBL's courier and the US cut Pakistan out of the process, so Pakistan cannot be blamed if she was misled by the US on the single strongest source of information that led to OBL's location.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Something more than the usual media and Indian government utterances.

Then images/video of DI at all these events should certainly not be hard to provide, especially in today's age of cameras in phones and various other devices. And regular international travel especially is something that cannot go unnoticed for long.

The only thing we have in terms of "public and published reports" are the usual regurgitation of unsubstantiated Indian allegations that DI is in Pakistan.

OBL was the US's fault, as I pointed out above - Pakistan obtained intelligence on the OBL's courier and the US cut Pakistan out of the process, so Pakistan cannot be blamed if she was misled by the US on the single strongest source of information that led to OBL's location.

You have a point, although I continue to feel that this stand is unfortunately consistent with a certain fossilised reaction from some sources that nothing bad ever takes place in Pakistan, and whatever news arises about such things is unsubstantiated hostile propaganda, right down to the point where dreadful evidence to the contrary emerges. As and when the kind of evidence that you have defined, "something more than the usual media and Indian government utterances", perhaps you might care to open the subject once more - from a less sceptical point of view.

Speaking of which, the tapes are not enough, presumably?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Isn't that over-reach? Who said that?

It is not over-reach, that is exactly what was implied and you have continued that in your comments below.

The statement that the poor guy made was that surely his presence there was more than a bit curious. He could have been hiding in a hundred other places, I presume less marked by a military presence, unless the military presence is universal. How come he was found so close to support and succour from services sources?

What 'support and succor'? The man never left the compound and lived a hermit's life inside with no access to the internet even. 'Support and succor' from the military would have at least allowed him to move around (locally) from time to time to 'stretch his legs'.

He lived in a civilian residential area. Cursory observation of the residence by local intelligence (military or civilian) would have established that a limited number of people lived there and moved in and out, consistent with what the owners claimed. No movement of any type of material that could be construed as being terrorist related. There would therefore not have been any suspicion that the residence was being used by terrorists.

I agree that this itself might sound to unfriendly ears like a conspiracy theory.

Without even an iota of credible evidence to back it up it is exactly that - a conspiracy theory.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Daud ko mainne roti lane ki liya kaha tha problem ? I know I said no makhan on the roti