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not related to Indian MMRCA but with Euro-fighter.
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Negotiations with Saudi for 48 Eurofighters hit road block : BAE | idrw.org
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In a stock market announcement, BAE said it had
yet to agree with the Kingdom how much extra it
will have to pay for changes to the contract for
the next 48 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft.
This means that the extra payment – described
by BAE as a “significant cash payment” and
estimated by UBS analysts to be around £500m –
will be deferred until negotiations have been
concluded.
The warning from BAE spooked the stock market
and sent shares in the company down 3pc to
286.6p.
BAE said its guidance that underlying earnings per
share in 2011 would be similar to 2010 had
“included some dependency on the conclusion of
the Salam [the Typhoon acquisition]
negotiations”.
The changes to the £20bn contract, agreed in
2007, relate to the final assembly of the last 48 of
the 72 aircraft, the creation of a maintenance
facility in Saudi Arabia, and the upgrade of 24
aircraft already delivered
Despite the setback, BAE said the talks had made
“good progress”. It also said the financial impact
of the delay to its 2011 results will be largely
mitigated by a deal this week to sell three Ocean
Patrol Vessels to Brazil for £133m. The value of
the ships was written down by £100m in 2010
after Trinidad and Tobago cancelled an order.
However, the carrying value of the ships will now
be increased.
UBS analysts said BAE could also secure a new
£1.5bn deal with Saudi to sell Hawk aircraft and
that meeting 2011 forecasts despite the Typhoon
delay would show “the robustness of the
business”.
 
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i guess both of them are within the range.. News coming out of MoD states that it is a new year gift for IAF

that gift was the mirage missile deal and the basic trainer aircraft deal...

the muumm on MMRCA means cancellation..
 
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that gift was the mirage missile deal and the basic trainer aircraft deal...

the muumm on MMRCA means cancellation..

They havent decided .. hence the silence.

They will read out load once the computations are over.
 
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The Rafale: analysis of the tender in India

If France can no longer afford its power, India is! Never geostrategic equation, industrial and technological were also in favor of export of the Rafale in the case of the Indian market.
The displacement of the center of gravity of the world to Asia led India, one of the two major economies of the continent to "emerge" as the strategic plan. Its regional environment is fragile, as marked by the conflict with Pakistan and the rivalry with China. Faced with the Middle Kingdom, more powerful economically, politically and militarily, India is working to stay in the competition for influence in Asia and to counter the Sino-Pakistan axis. But India was also the twenty-first century new ambitions: it intends to take advantage of opportunities created by the global crisis to increase its status in the international arena. The 'instinctive preference "of India for a multipolar world led him to manage its relationship with a diverse set of powers with greater flexibility. Even the spectacular rapprochement with the United States, which allowed him to enjoy a special status in the nuclear-alliance does not mean that New Delhi has no intention of being manipulated by Washington in a policy of containment of China and refused some proposals for U.S. military cooperation. Israel, but also Russia, with which India has partnered for the Raptor fighter plane of the fifth generation are major suppliers of armaments. Europe is seen as a useful partner in the business plan.
The new geostrategic environment has led India to revise its defense policy and to move from a non-interventionist tradition, beyond its direct sphere of influence, to a more offensive doctrine, which should not be limited by capability issues. For evidence, a defense budget growing steadily, especially since the attacks in Bombay in 2008, and a liberalization of the defense industry for the sake of quality and performance. Within a decade of arms imports to the tune of $ 50M will place the country to the rank of world's largest importer.

The renewal of military aircraft of Indian Air
It is in this context that India launched in 2007 the vast tender M-MRCA (MediumMultiRoleCombatAircraft) to renew an aging fleet largely composed of fighters of Soviet-designed Su-30, MIG -29 and Mi-35.Ce huge contract covers the purchase of 126 fighter planes for a total of $ 12 million, of which 108 will be made at the local level in partnership with Indian companies. Indeed, the essential condition of the tender is technology transfer, compensation amounting to 50% of the value of the contract to allow India to develop its own military and aerospace industry to build a modern air force and independent. The Americans proposed the F-16 Lockheed Martin and Boeing F/A-18E/F, the European EADS Eurofighter Typhoon (developed by the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Spain), France, Sweden and the Rafale, the Gripen. Finally, the Russians have tried their luck with the new MiG-29K and MiG-35.En New Delhi announced in April that only the Rafale and the Eurofighter are competing. Note the specificity of the tender Indian: for reasons of domestic politics, the fight against corruption, it is sequenced in two phases clearly separated, the first purely technical and the second on aggregate supply. This decoupling also criticized by some Indian experts, that only the choice of the IAF has prevailed. To demonstrate the involvement of non-policy at this stage, the United States were informed of their misfortune by their military attaché in New Delhi, itself informed by the Indian military.

Fighter omnirole 4th generation, its versatility is its major asset and is fully operational needs of the Indian Air Force, given the vastness of the Indian airspace. Able to fill all the roles of fighter aircraft in one mission, it can ensure the safety of the national airspace and conduct missions outside. A trump card that could prove decisive when the withdrawal of Western forces from Afghanistan in Pakistan will recover the strategic depth of his dreams in front of his rival. On the other hand, planned to operate from its conception as aboard aircraft carriers, it will allow India to take a qualitative leap forward in securing its maritime areas, which have become vital to the supply of raw materials to a economy bordering on double-digit growth. Unique technological success, it can carry a full range of advanced weapons, to the strategic nuclear strike with F3.Enfin standard, its capabilities are unmatched changing to meet the challenge of reducing the technology gap with potential adversaries .
Moreover, the Rafale has almost always been ranked first on the technical and operational in the previous tender, but it was not yet "battle proven", a label earned by its commitments in Afghanistan and Libya, Operation also more publicized. On the other hand, cooperation with Dassault is old: with the purchase of 80 Mirage 2000 in the 80's, India was the first export customer of M 2000 and the modernization of the fleet in the industry comes from be finalized between the two governments. The life of an aircraft like the Rafale is 40 years, New Delhi will have the same security upgrades for the Mirage, which is less guaranteed with the Eurofighter, the final business plan EADS presaging a withdrawal medium-term combat aircraft.

India at the Crossroads
Finally, bilateral relations between France and India are excellent: the strategic partnership in 1998 was reiterated during the visit of Alain Juppé in October. France has consistently supported India's aspirations to a seat on the UN Security and better participation in international forums G8, G20 ...
Given these strengths, the denigration of the Rafale, which is crucial when playing the global trade negotiations is truly amazing. Building on its past failures to export it as sterile supplies are unjustified criticism. The image of a France of a Gaullist pride anachronistic producing technology so sophisticated that nobody wants, and preferably within a national framework, to be sure it's even more expensive, is totally wrong. France has not built Rafale in a European framework for its operational requirements, particularly for an aircraft carrier, was different: it was a war in advance. The Eurofighter was a money pit and it has been referred to by the Court of Auditors UK an increase of 75% of its unit cost. He is currently more expensive than the Rafale! For countries like Korea and Singapore, France could not fight against the military protection that guaranteed them the power of the United States. The Anglo-Saxon influence has been pregnant for Saudi Arabia which has replaced by the Eurofighter Tornado.
Hope that the Indians understand themselves important political benefit at the image of the power of their country that would symbolize the Rafale.
 
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They havent decided .. hence the silence.

They will read out load once the computations are over.

the bids stand void after expiry..

the MoD would have asked the winner to extand their bid on 31dec as it required more 3-4 months to get the approvals of FM , PMO and then the HAL would do the final doccumentation..

i do not think FM has the money as of now , looking at the hafty borrowing they are doing and getting short on thier disinvestment targets...that's why my understanding is that MoD has terminated the MMRCA at this stage itself inplace of seeing the repeat of tanker deal at FM doorsteps ....
 
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They havent decided .. hence the silence.

They will read out load once the computations are over.

BIG DEALS, BIG COMPUTATIONS.. LOL.
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if you dont mind plz shed some light on SO long lasting computations.
 
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off late but i am sure the IAF/MoD had realize that there is no use to put money into a new platform at this stage...
1) both EF and rafale are more expensive then the MKI ..
2) MKI had a proven record and most leathal and trusted in IAF..
3) HAL has spend billions on biulding the infrastructure to build MKI in india , why would there be a need to spand more money again for MMRCA..
4)with LCA , FGFA amd MCA on card , why would HAL be spanding money on MMRCA , there can't be unlimited funds available with them..
5) to my understanding MoD will buy more MKIs to fill the gap and IAF will just focus more no FGFA ....

anyway , the no-news on MMRCA as the bid expired on 31dec clearly means that MMRCA is cancalled...

people will still argue about the expirey of bids suggesting that bids are valid even after 31dec coz they are opened...but they need to realize the company law which stats that " commercial bids are only vaild till the expiry date and if the contrect is not signed till that date , the bids gets void "

so , as per law , coz the bidders are not asked to extend/renew the bidds , thay stand void as of now...

There was a spot of doubt last week over the notion of extension of commercial bids, since their validity expired on December 31. However, the MoD clarified that once the bids were opened, there was no provision for extension, and therefore there was no cause for concern.

MMRCA by third week of Jan - SP's Aviation

Also L1 will cheapest total cost, not cheapest unit cost!
 
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It is a 15 billion dollar deal which is half of Pakistan's annual budget(2011-30.616855 billion U.S. dollars),so yes a lot of thinking is needed:)

its already too much alot, its not like you are going to moon.
what ever my budget is, APNAY ULLO SEDHAY KARO, it nothing has to do with MMRCA (Cheap Indian Shot).
Countries can gather same amount within the time line that Indians had spent just for so called BIG WISE THINKING. i guess your GOVT has realised just in time that they have made a co$ty move, but its never too late yet.
and yes again to remind it was 12bn what was suggested for MMRCS not 15.
 
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its already too much alot, its not like you are going to moon.
what ever my budget is, APNAY ULLO SEDHAY KARO, it nothing has to do with MMRCA (Cheap Indian Shot).
Countries can gather same amount within the time line that Indians had spent just for so called BIG WISE THINKING. i guess your GOVT has realised just in time that they have made a co$ty move, but its never too late yet.
and yes again to remind it was 12bn what was suggested for MMRCS not 15.
and u believe that?:rofl:
 
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Does signing this deal mean that MoF would have to shell out the entire amount at one go, or will they pay it over the years in installments.
 
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Does signing this deal mean that MoF would have to shell out the entire amount at one go, or will they pay it over the years in installments.

Never in one go. Are all the aircraft being delivered in one lot? Payments are made at various times according to "goods and services" delivered and as laid down in contractual terms.
 
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