Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[indushek]

Sometime dear friend Benny-), the least expected of all wins the contract. That was the case of GEF141 and may be Dassult is playing it cool.

By that do u mean Mig-35 or F-16??

 

[Dash]

By that do u mean Mig-35 or F-16??

They are not least expected....

They are out...

 

[Indian-Devil]

There is no doubt Rafale is omni role AC, but there are some issues which goes against its selection in MRCA.
First of all as per IAF's Request for Information, if any contender qualifies the given requirements then later lowest bidder will be choosen. Same way it happenend in LCA engine selection process.
And Rafale is one of the most costliest AC among MRCA contender list.
Second issue is Uncle Sam's pressure and India is going for most of the US equipments, through FMS regardless of their price and other contender's price in market. See for C-17 Globemaster, P-8 for navy. No doubt they are one of the finest aircraft but there should be other contenders also for evaluations.
Third is again political benefit from US if F-18 is selected (F-16 not sure).

Although still my first prefrence is Rafale only, I really wish to see it in IAF colors in coming years.

 

[tvsram1992]

talks ve been going with russia.
or we may confirm the deal during obama's visit in november

 

[somu]

Being poor is no crime. But being a slave is a crime. How can you file status report to Americans under the LSA?
Vice Admiral Raman Puri

India please don't go behind USA.
Look what they have done to us on C-17 deal, they denied the start of tech. Same will happen in MMRCA.

 

[redpearl75]

They are not least expected....

They are out...

Those are not at all expected.... lol

 

[jha]

Get a big pie out of India's defence market: Rep Sen to Obama

Republican Party has asked US President Barack Obama to seek a large pie of India's estimated USD 35 billion defense expansion plan when he meets Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in New Delhi next week.

In a letter to President Obama, Republican Senator Ed Royce asked him to build on the defence co-operation between India and the US that was initiated by his predecessors Bill Clinton and continued by George W Bush.

"As you know, six foreign companies are competing to sell India 126 new multi-role combat aircraft in a deal that could be worth as much as USD 11 billion. India's selection process for this aircraft is advancing, with two US companies under active consideration," senior Republican lawmaker from California Ed Royce said in a letter to Obama.

Senator Royce, in his letter of October 26, said heads of state from France, Russia and the United Kingdom were moving aggressively to advocate for their countries' aircraft proposal.

 

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Rafale Vs EuroFighter Typhoons​

 

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[kingofkings]

Eurofighter pledges partnership opportunities in bid to secure MMRCA contract

The supervisory board of Eurofighter met in New Delhi during 25-26 October to boost the group's bid to secure the Indian Air Force's USD10 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

Eurofighter said in a statement that the supervisory board will support the MMRCA campaign as well as propose "additional opportunities for industrial and technological co-operation" to potential Indian partners.

The supervisory board consists of chief executive officers (CEOs) from Eurofighter partners EADS, BAE Systems and Finmeccanica subsidiary Alenia Aeronautica.

The significance of the meeting was outlined by Bernhard Gerwert, chairman of the supervisory board and CEO of EADS subsidiary Cassidian Air Systems. He said: "The Eurofighter supervisory board is meeting in New Delhi to underline the importance we attach to integrating India into the programme as a true and equal industrial partner."
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[sancho]

The article was posted before, but confirms what I said about the difference between what the EF partners offers and what EADS (Germany/France) offers separately for India:

If India picks Eurofighter, it will create thousands of jobs here - Corporate News - livemint.com

You have reportedly said that if you win the contract, you will move avionics operations and a few thousand jobs from Europe to India. In light of the above situation, isn’t that a bit too far fetched? Isn’t avionics too high end a domain to be moved to India?

Bernhard Gerwert: Let me correct you. We already have an EADS engineering centre in Bangalore, which was started three years ago for Airbus. In the beginning of this year, we have also opened our military engineering centre in Bangalore. We have hired twenty engineers there, but our intention is to ramp up our strength to 250-300 people by 2012. This program is independent from the Eurofighter. So, for the moment, we are not talking of moving thousands of jobs to India. If, however, the Eurofighter is selected, then, we would be contractually bound to affect a sixty percent technology transfer. Now, in Europe, the Eurofighter program employs roughly one hundred thousand people. We have roughly 400 main sub-contractors in Europe. So, if India decides for the Eurofighter, the technology transfer clause would mean that we would create thousands of jobs in India.

So these engineering centres are from EADS alone, not from the EF partners and what they offer is to outsource a part of the avionic production for all EFs to India, obviously for reduce production costs. That is nothing special, or makes us an equal partner and any vendor would take this chance to reduce costs too.
It would be interesting if they really say what the partnerships would mean for India, where do we would have at least some say and where could we influence the project to our needs? That are the important points of such a partnership, but these are not clear (at least in the media) so far.


Also interesting is this part:

Eurojet’s EJ200 lost out in the race to be the engine for the Mark-II version of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). What do you think went against the EJ200? The consultant for Eurojet, reportedly had privileged information on the bids. Would this not dent your chances for the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, considering the Eurofighter uses the same engine?

Bernhard Gerwert: We were not involved in Eurojet’s campaign. The EJ200 of course, being the engine, is important for the Eurofighter. But we do not have enough knowledge about the offer of Eurojet for the LCA. We however recognize that the decision has been taken and the GE engine was declared as the lowest bidder. We have no shareholding in Eurojet. It is a supplier for us, and a totally independent company, so I believe it will not affect our campaign for the MMRCA.

He is not denying that there was such an issue with a consultant and is trying to sperate the EF consortium and Eurojet. But that basically confirms the report about the bribery and why GE was selected right?