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The marine version of rafale is something people are not taking into consideration. Kindly include that versus the paper sea typhoon, I can assure you that it will be taken in to calculations for future aircraft carrier.

It was an interesting choice, even for Vikramaditya and IAC1, but the follow order of Mig 29s and the pointless aim on N-LCA MK2s, leaves very little hope for Rafale M. It is under consideration for IAC 2, but politics and the carrier design will decide about the used fighters.
 
I understand the delay in developing (LCA), But this kind of delay is unacceptable.........Now the new govt also spend some time in office.....

I fully support the decision to change to the M-MRCA even with delays and higher costs, but I can't accept the fact that all 6 contenders were accepted for the trials and evaluations, because that had increase the time to finally shortlist the L1 and L2 by far. And I also can't accept the 2 years Dassault took for complying to RFP requirements and bringing up the HAL issue.
Well this government will find it hard to simply decide for Rafale, once because they openly were against it, secondly because they can't simply implement their Make in India policy without creating huge delays as we see in the LUH and SSK tenders. They surely looked at options or alternatives, but the tender is simply too big and too far to start over now, unless there are proper reasons for it.
 
Negotiation was mostly in last 3 years......The other 7 was for evaluation right?

Negotiations to get the most out of the deal basically.

How much negotiation was needed? I think its more to do with needless bureaucracy and the fear of not being singled out in case the deal mucks up.
 
How much negotiation was needed? I think its more to do with needless bureaucracy and the fear of not being singled out in case the deal mucks up.

More or less....... to add to that the amount involved and chances of corruption.... I think UPA to be blamed for this......
 
Negotiation was mostly in last 3 years......The other 7 was for evaluation right?

No M-MRCA RFP was send out in 2007 and after the replies, we evaluated the proposals selected the fighters, with the final selection of Rafale in 2012, this 5 year period could had been much shorter, if we had cut some of the proposals in 2009 and send only the most suitable fighters to the trials. The F18SH for example didn't met basic flight performance specs of the RFP, Gripen E or Mig 35 were and are not existent, so evaluating and only 3 contenders logically takes half the time.

How much negotiation was needed? I think its more to do with needless bureaucracy and the fear of not being singled out in case the deal mucks up.

Depends on what is on offer, keep in mind that it was the time that the US opened up to India and started promissing political and techincal support that were not available before. It would had been silly of us to not see how far that goes and how beneficial a deal could be for us.
Same goes with European partners, that were better before but fully opened up in this tender. Look at what we get in this deal compared to older Jaguar or M2K deals, where they decided what we can get under what conditions. M-MRCA was the first time, where India was in the position to demand things and had full freedom to choice the best package for it's requirements. The industrial change of foreign companies coming to India, or teaming up with Indian inustry (Boeing set up production plants, Sikorsky and LM forming JV, Saab and Airbus setting up R&D parts in India...) is based on M-MRCA tender and the importance it created. So that alone had made the tender worth it, but of course it could had been done better.
 
Indian Air Force Chief Says Fighter Jet Deal Soon

The Indian Air Force on Friday expressed hope that the multi-billion contract for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) would be inked "sooner than later", saying the project is "very important" for it to replace some of the obsolete fleet under its command.

"MMRCA deal is very important for which which we have been stating right from the beginning. Everybody knows, government knows, the public knows (that it is) to replace some of our obsolete fleet which have served the nation well for the last 4-5 decades," Air Force chief Air Marshal Arup Raha said.

He said "though it has taken time", the deal was a planned activity and replacement for the obsolete aircraft that the force has in combat fleet .

"The process is very huge, little complicated. Most of the things have been sorted out and therefore we expect that final stage will progress rapidly and the deal may be signed sooner than later," he said.

French defence major Dassault Aviation was selected by India in January 2012 for supplying 126 Rafale jets to the Indian Air Force.

Dassault Aviation, the French maker of fighter jets, said this month it expects to conclude the deal to supply Rafale planes to India by March.

The final phase of exclusive negotiations on the contract, estimated at $15 billion, should conclude within India's current budget year ending in March 2015, Chief Executive Eric Trappier told reporters in Paris.

The negotiations have lately slowed down over some issues, including the imposition of liquidity damages or penalties for any delay in supply of the aircraft to be manufactured in the country.

India had selected the French Rafale combat aircraft after an over five-year process where five other jets like American F/A-18 and F-16, Russian MiG 35, European Eurofighter and Swedish Saab Gripen were also in the race.

However, the process of finalising the contract has been quite slow and still the role and responsibilities to be shared between the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Dassault Aviation have not been fully agreed upon.

Out of the 126 aircraft to be manufactured for the IAF, 18 are proposed to be supplied directly by the French from their facilities in France whereas the remaining 108 are planned to be built in HAL facilities in Bangalore.

French envoy to India Francois Richier had played down the delay in the finalisation of the much-delayed contract for the supply of Rafale fighter planes, saying that such "complex" issues take time.

On the other hand, UK has said that the Europe-backed Eurofighter could hold negotiations with India for the supply 126 MMRCA.
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EUROFIGHTER AND NETMA SIGN ONE BILLION EURO RADAR CONTRACT

Defence Ministers from the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Spain met in Edinburgh, Scotland, on Wednesday 19th November to witness the signing of a €1bn contract for the development of a world-leading electronic radar system for the Eurofighter Typhoon.

The contract, between Eurofighter Jadgflugzeug GmbH and NETMA, the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency (NETMA), will enable the integration of Captor E-Scan, the world’s most advanced Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar System (AESA) onto the Eurofighter Typhoon...

Eurofighter Typhoon | EUROFIGHTER AND NETMA SIGN ONE BILLION EURO RADAR CONTRACT
 
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