Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[Ping]

What I find incredible is that the max weapons load of Rafale is 9500kgs. Guess what the empty weight of Rafale is? 9500kgs!! Rafale can carry the same amount of ammunition and weapons as it's entire body weight! The only fighter in the entire world to do that. The only fighter in the entire history of aviation to do that! Simply breath taking. Even Su-30MKI, a heavy fighter, whose empty weight is 18400kgs, can only carry 8000kgs of weapons. This proves that Rafale is truly an Omnirole fighter... capable of carrying heavy Air to Ground weapons. IAF made a superb choice to compliment the MKI. How on earth did the french manage to pull of something like that... truly an engineering marvel.

 

[SamantK]

What I find incredible is that the max weapons load of Rafale is 9500kgs. Guess what the empty weight of Rafale is? 9500kgs!! Rafale can carry the same amount of ammunition and weapons as it's entire body weight! The only fighter in the entire world to do that. The only fighter in the entire history of aviation to do that! Simply breath taking. Even Su-30MKI, a heavy fighter, whose empty weight is 18400kgs, can only carry 8000kgs of weapons. This proves that Rafale is truly an Omnirole fighter... capable of carrying heavy Air to Ground weapons. IAF made a superb choice to compliment the MKI. How on earth did the french manage to pull of something like that... truly an engineering marvel.

any credible source?

 

[Ping]

Here you go-
Rafale - Rafale Specs
Masse à vide : 9,5t
Capacité d'emport en charges externes : 9,5t

How on earth are HAL un-professional babus going to absorb the technology and manufacture such an incredibly advanced aircraft like the rafale. My hopes for a rafale production by HAL within time-frame is fading away.

 

[Azmal]

So Inda seklcted rafale after 10 years ...lol no worries///Pakistan has JF 17 AND J 10 COMING ALONG JXX AND JXXX Stealth and semi stealth....Pakistan will have edge

 

[Executioner]

Chinese fighter are beeyter than Indian MMRCA , why so buzz about it..Indian are foll buy so mych expensive fighter when we have JF 17 and J10 at cheap....when Pakistan has stealth fighter it will nbo compare to IAF..and son we will have it

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Radale is failed fighter so UAE BRAZIL and many oter reject it...hahaaaa

Keep laughing this what you can do not more than that. First compare your defense budget with us then start laughing.

 

[Ping]

So Inda seklcted rafale after 10 years ...lol no worries///Pakistan has JF 17 AND J 10 COMING ALONG JXX AND JXXX Stealth and semi stealth....Pakistan will have edge
Chinese fighter are beeyter than Indian MMRCA , why so buzz about it..Indian are foll buy so mych expensive fighter when we have JF 17 and J10 at cheap....when Pakistan has stealth fighter it will nbo compare to IAF..and son we will have it

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Radale is failed fighter so UAE BRAZIL and many oter reject it...hahaaaa

You were right.

 

[Shaurya]

So Inda seklcted rafale after 10 years ...lol no worries///Pakistan has JF 17 AND J 10 COMING ALONG JXX AND JXXX Stealth and semi stealth....Pakistan will have edge

First take out USA from your country and then we will talk about who is better, lol, if ur jf -17 bandaar are so advanced, why is usa still bombing your a$$?? Stop living in wonderland and come back to reality

 

[Abingdonboy]

So Inda seklcted rafale after 10 years ...lol no worries///Pakistan has JF 17 AND J 10 COMING ALONG JXX AND JXXX Stealth and semi stealth....Pakistan will have edge

The MMRCA project in its present form has only been going on 3-4 years, the decade time frame is an utter myth. Added to that taking only 1-2 years to flight/ weapons test and conduct theoretical analysis of 6 of the most advanced fighters on the planet is very impressive for which the IAF has been highly commended by domestic and foreign analysts. Additionally the technical process conducted by the IAF has been highly praised, given the sheer scale of the task given to them ( there were something like 7,000,000 pages of technical info to digest not to mention 200+ technical parameters IAF had outlined and selection board had to apply these to the participating a/c) they performed exceptionally and efficientally. The IAF judged all the ac on technical worth and presented the 2 ac (EFT, Rafele) who closest matched the IAF's exacting standards. The MoD consequently stated the final decision will be made purely on a technical/cost basis based on IAF recommendations. As the IAF (and Indian armed forces as a whole) are notoriously incorruptible, so you tell me where is the room for kickbacks? not to mention new stringent anti-corruption rules by the MoD for defence procurement not to mention the scale of this program and public exposure would mean there was sufficient deterrent to keep this corruption-free.


I'd like to see you do a better job.



+ regarding PAF 5th gen fighters- maybe by 2035-40 (no joke).

 

[Shaurya]

The MMRCA project in its present form has only been going on 3-4 years, the decade time frame is an utter myth. Added to that taking only 1-2 years to flight/ weapons test and conduct theoretical analysis of 6 of the most advanced fighters on the planet is very impressive for which the IAF has been highly commended by domestic and foreign analysts. Additionally the technical process conducted by the IAF has been highly praised, given the sheer scale of the task given to them ( there were something like 7,000,000 pages of technical info to digest not to mention 200+ technical parameters IAF had outlined and selection board had to apply these to the participating a/c) they performed exceptionally and efficientally. The IAF judged all the ac on technical worth and presented the 2 ac (EFT, Rafele) who closest matched the IAF's exacting standards. The MoD consequently stated the final decision will be made purely on a technical/cost basis based on IAF recommendations. As the IAF (and Indian armed forces as a whole) are notoriously incorruptible, so you tell me where is the room for kickbacks? not to mention new stringent anti-corruption rules by the MoD for defence procurement not to mention the scale of this program and public exposure would mean there was sufficient deterrent to keep this corruption-free.


I'd like to see you do a better job.



+ regarding PAF 5th gen fighters- maybe by 2035-40 (no joke).

That is, if pakistan survives the taliban invasion and the radicalism, not only is it affecting us, it is affecting them to, big time, now only if they stop their drama and start thinking wisely and also get the hatred for india out, it is their dear islam and their dear maulvis and talibanis that are destroying their country not RAW or mossad or CIA, infact US is "suppossedly" there for the same reason, the american jokers never paid attention when we told them to watch out the talibanization of pakistan, now spend trilllions on "war on terror"

 

[sudhir007]

Livefist: EXCLUSIVE: Impressions Of Rafale In IAF Colours

These superb 3D impressions of the Dassault Rafale in Indian Air Force colours have been made available exclusively to Livefist by artist/illustrator Anurag Rana. If the Rafale manages to pull off the MMRCA deal, this is what the jet will look like when delivered.

 

[sancho]

 

[jester]

Well the euphoria has died down but I must congratulate the Indian Air force Force for their future procurement, besides I always rooted for the Rafale. bonne passe

 

[anathema]

IAF fighter deal: Rafale much cheaper than Typhoon; govt rules out review - The Times of India


Wow this is unbelivable !! French has really given some low bid !! OR is this a prank by MoD to bring down Typhoon's cost..either ways excellent news for India

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I believe this is the article written by Peter Collins former RAF Wing Co. He was derided severly acorss all the forums for making statements such as 'If i want to fly a fighter in battlefield then it has to be Rafale'. People were questioning his judgement and test results since he has notably not flown in new fighter jets !!

 

[sancho]

IAF fighter deal: Rafale much cheaper than Typhoon; govt rules out review - The Times of India

Wow this is unbelivable !! French has really given some low bid !! OR is this a prank by MoD to bring down Typhoon's cost..either ways excellent news for India

ToI is not the most reliable source, but it was reported some days ago from a French source as well:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/4347-mrca-news-discussions-530.html#post2568887


However, this ToI reports has several interesting infos, which would confirm a lot of what many of us expected anyway:

..."The fact is that the cost deferential between Typhoon and Rafale was very high... it would cost India around 22% to 25% more if the former had been selected. No government can agree to so much extra," the source said...

...For one, the "life cycle cost" of operating the Typhoon over a 40-year period, with 6,000 hours of flying, was found to be "higher" than Rafale after extensive calculations of flight costs, spares, maintenance and the like. "The life cycle costs were actually the tool to determine who was L-1 (lowest bidder)," he said.

For another, the difference in the 'direct acquisition cost', which will actually be used to ink the contract, was even bigger. "The Typhoon's commercial bid was way too high. Rafale was the clear L-1 in both life cycle as well as direct acquisition costs," he added...

I believe this is the article written by Peter Collins former RAF Wing Co.

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Credits to Olybrius from the MP forum!

 

[anathema]

ToI is not the most reliable source, but it was reported some days ago from a French source as well:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/4347-mrca-news-discussions-530.html#post2568887


However, this ToI reports has several interesting infos, which would confirm a lot of what many of us expected anyway:

True some good info (if credible). Also it confirms everyone assumption that Deal is indeed 20 Bil Dollars considering that 25% is 25000 crores ($5 Bil )