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Dassault denies India ruled out Rafale for fighter contract
BRUSSELS, April 24 (UPI) -- Dassault denies India ruled out Rafale for fighter contract
French company Dassault has denied reports that it has been eliminated from the international race to sell 126 new combat aircraft to India.
The long-drawn-out competition has been going on for nearly two years, and Russia's Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-35MKI remains the favorite to win it. The Indian air force has primarily relied upon Soviet or Russian combat aircraft for nearly 40 years. By contrast, France has failed in almost all of its efforts over the past 10 years to land significant export contracts for its Rafale fighter jet.
India has specified that it requires a Medium-Range Multi-Role Combat Aircraft weighing 14 to 30 tons that can carry out both air-defense and air-to-surface missions. The first 18 aircraft should be ready for use while the next 108 will be built by Hindustan Aeronautics as a result of a technology transfer.
Defense News reported last week that the Rafale was believed to have been eliminated from the race by Indian defense officials. Dassault denied the claims, but Defense News said Dassault had failed to disclose fully whether the Rafale would meet the Indian air force's technical requirements.
Dassault said it had not been informed yet by the Indian government on the outcome of the competition. However, senior Indian military officials have told the press that they had dropped the Rafael from consideration.
The Indian air force is still considering the Eurofighter Typhoon, which is built by the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co., the Gripen, which is built by Saab of Sweden, the MiG-35 and Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin's F-16 Fighting Falcon from the United States.
In the next round of the competition, the jets will be tested in flight trials over the next two months, after which their weapons will be tested. Finally, the Indian government will evaluate the commercial bids and make its decision.
what ever F 18 going to win the contract for sure
So was wondering from members who do u think is gona win the place for IAF needs?
That's not quiet correct, the Rafale could be the cheapest in maintenance of the double engine fighters. The unit cost offered for Saudi was around 63 mil, that's $83 mil now and we want nearly double as much aircrafts, so I guess it must be $80 mil maximum.1) Rafale.
There are rumours that India will not go for Rafale. Because of its high selling cost and high manintenance cost. So in my view India will never go for it.
Unit cost for Rafale is US$90 to US$95 million
If you mean Russia with the angry other side I can't agree, cause besides this deal we have more than enough deals going on with them (80 Mi 17 helicopter, IL 76 for AWECS, Mig 29 K and Gorshkov, Pak Fa coop, MTA coop, BrahMos coop...). Even if we go for US fighters this time, everybody knows that the close relationship between India and Russia won't change.Basically India had made this deal more political, which will surely create problems for India in the end when they will finalise any one of the above deal the other will surely get angry. India also tried to block Pakistan in many miltary deals using MRCA politics.
When they will sign with one of them, then others options will be available for Pakistan. l hope till then Pakistan will improve their economy.
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Can u provide the link about F-16 that IAF going for C/D version because they talk about E/F version for MMRCA .
And also some information about J-XX
and the no. of sq. of JF inducted in PAF, which they are going to upgrade with French Electronics.
That was in 2008 deal. But still $80 mil is more ....even it would not be the price of F-35That's not quiet correct, the Rafale could be the cheapest in maintenance of the double engine fighters. The unit cost offered for Saudi was around 63 mil, that's $83 mil now and we want nearly double as much aircrafts, so I guess it must be $80 mil maximum.
Also imo a Rafale would compete with the roles of a possible MCA, cause both are, or should be mainly for BVR combats and precision strikes. The difference will only be the stealth capabilities of MCA, which should be better to the low RCS of Rafale, but size, weapons and even radar and engine could be the same.
Agree but PAF will not go for F18 SHAnd I doubt that there are many options for PAF in the MRCA, cause some of them are too expensive (Rafale, EF), Mig might be blocked politically, you already have F16, Gripen NG is the same size and would compete J10 also. The only fighter that is left would be F18 SH which would be a benefit for PAF, but I wonder if US offer it to you and if you want to take the risk with US fighters again?
Much more realistic is the purchase of engine, radar, or avionics for JF 17 and J10 from one of the MRCA fighters, most likely from F16 IN, Gripen NG, or maybe Rafale.
From point 3.3 Lockheed Martin F-16IN in that link:
So now a upg F16 E/F block 60 is offered for MMRCAIndia initially sent the RFI for a F-16C/D Block 52+ configuration aircraft. On January 17, 2008, Lockheed Martin offered a customized version of the F-16, the F-16IN for the Indian MMRCA contract.[21] The F-16IN, which is similar to the F-16 Block 60, will be a 4.5 generation aircraft. Lockheed Martin has stated that it will be the most advanced F-16 variant developed.
The problem is the high Euro compared to the low Dollar, that makes it so hard to export Rafale, EF and even Gripen. Sure $80, or $83 mil (systemprice with support, training, spares) comes close to F35 costs, but it is not on offer for IAF, EF is still more expensive and even Gripen NG is offered for Dutch AF with a systemprice of $75 mil.That was in 2008 deal. But still $80 mil is more ....even it would not be the price of F-35
Actually what I meant was, that we could get the first Rafale around 2013 and MCA possibly only 10 years later. That means both would serve at least 15 years alongside eachother in IAF, but pretty much for the same roles. Note sure if the huge amount of money that we have to spend for both would be worth and necassary. That's why I think it could be a reason against Rafale and maybe F18 SH to win MRCA.First buy MRCA then think about MCA
i think u not properly understand sanch's post.
he only tried to said that if MCA got delayed then more no. of MMRCA can be inducted into the IAF.And for this he comparing MCA with Rafale.