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i never gets what's the logic buying a twine engine fighter again in MMRCA when IAF already operating SU-30MKI , i mean inplace buying another twine engine platform , why not just add more MKIs .....atleast it will significatly reduce the infrastructure and training burden that a new platform will bring...
Looks like DBC wins the war with sancho on EPE engine ..... seems GE themselves are going to fund on there own...
IAF Rejects last minute offer for powerful engine from one of MMRCA contenders
The Indian Air Force has decided against accepting any last minute offers from the contenders of the multi-billion dollar deal for purchase of 126 fighter aircraft even as it rejected a bidders proposal to equip its warplanes with a more powerful jet engine.
No offers for upgrades or changes in the original bid submitted by the six aircraft companies would be allowed as their aircraft have been judged on the basis of capabilities offered in the original bid and their performance in the field trials, IAF sources said here...
...One defence firm had proposed to equip its aircraft with a more powerful engine along with a host of other capabilities but it was rejected as the aircraft has already undergone trials and we cant allow firms to make last minute offers, they added.
Though the IAF has accepted some of the futuristic capabilities offered by the companies but they were proposed in the original bid itself by the respective companies, they said...
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I don't think US is offering us Growler.....
Because medium class twin engine is not equal to heavy class twin engine! The heavy class Flankers will require more maintenance and more fuel compared to medium class fighters, especially compared to western fighters, because they have spares longer life and longer maintenance timeframes. The quality is simply very different and that adds much to the costs, which counters the commonality advantage of more Flankers. Besides reducing operational costs is not an important point in MMRCA!
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i never gets what's the logic buying a twine engine fighter again in MMRCA when IAF already operating SU-30MKI , i mean inplace buying another twine engine platform , why not just add more MKIs .....atleast it will significatly reduce the infrastructure and training burden that a new platform will bring...
Not really, because we discussed if the USN has funded the EPE yet and this just proves once more that they have not, nor have interest in it! On the other hand it also confirms that MMRCA / IAF requires higher thrust for more flight performance and GE seems to understands that they have no other option than fund it alone, if the F18SH should fulfill the requirements.
But don't forget this:
IAF Rejects last minute offer for powerful engine from one of MMRCA contenders | idrw.org
The EPE engine is not available now and was not fielded in the trials, so it looks like an desperate attempt, but it will be interesting if MoD will intervene and rule out IAF and their requirements here. The ball is now in MoDs hand and "now" politics will play a role for sure!
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I don't think US is offering us Growler.....and even if they offer us Growler they will take away many important component from it.....its better we use our own growler(lca) and with some french and israeli help we can make it comparable to Growler...
But thanx for this information on Rafale....
How do you know that Boeing is the only one which offered last minute change??? you have any source for it??... secondly you have the proposal of boeing submitted to MoD?? how do you know EPE is not offered in the first case??
There could be a chance that EPE might be offered right?? when RFP was studied Boeing would have understood the requirement and would have proposed EPE in the first case..... this is my assumption may be it is true...
As per the report it clearly states EPE is the base line offer for Indian MMRCA... which i guess it was offered from day one ... and the idea of developing EPE seems to be there and it is not a new idea that sprung up when the thrust doesnt seems enough .....
Yeah may be EPE was not in the test craft... but it applies the same for all manufactures... No AESA in all the test crafts except US manufactures...
Paul Oliver, Boeing's senior director for international business development, confirms the F414 enhanced performance engine (EPE) was submitted as part of Boeing's proposal to win the MMRCA contract.
How do you know that Boeing is the only one which offered last minute change??? you have any source for it??... secondly you have the proposal of boeing submitted to MoD?? how do you know EPE is not offered in the first case??
There could be a chance that EPE might be offered right?? when RFP was studied Boeing would have understood the requirement and would have proposed EPE in the first case..... this is my assumption may be it is true...
As per the report it clearly states EPE is the base line offer for Indian MMRCA... which i guess it was offered from day one ... and the idea of developing EPE seems to be there and it is not a new idea that sprung up when the thrust doesnt seems enough .....
Yeah may be EPE was not in the test craft... but it applies the same for all manufactures... No AESA in all the test crafts except US manufactures...