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[luckyyy]

Eurofighter Seeks India as Industrial Partner for Production, Future Developments

Eurofighter Seeks India as Industrial Partner for Production, Future Developments | India Defence

2011-02-11 The Eurofighter Partner Companies are keen to win India as a new industrial partner for the production and further development of the world's most advanced swing-role combat aircraft. Speaking at a media conference on the occasion of Aero India 2011, Bernhard Gerwert, CEO of Cassidian Air Systems and Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Eurofighter GmbH, outlined details of the industrial partnership offer to integrate India as a partner in the Eurofighter programme. Mr. Gerwert said: "Our ultimate objective is to win India as a key partner co-developing and co-producing future upgrades and enhancements, new sub-systems, software, etc."

In order to phase India into the global Eurofighter Typhoon programme as a significant manufacturing and engineering partner, the Eurofighter partners pursue an ambitious industrialization strategy. Gerwert explained: "We are starting to develop the base for a comprehensive future supplier network which will plug India into the global Eurofighter supply chain. Even before the MMRCA selection, we invest in making India a new home for the Eurofighter Typhoon."

An acquisition of the Eurofighter Typhoon will create more than 20,000 high-skilled jobs in India and support the development of a self-reliant indigenous defence industry. India would gain access to a wide array of technologies from Europe's leading aerospace and defence companies avoiding over-dependence on a single source. Enzo Casolini, CEO of Eurofighter GmbH, emphasizes: "We are committed to Transfer of Technology because we want to enable India to manufacture this advanced combat aircraft itself and we want to see the country emerge as a truly global development partner.”

Cassidian, the EADS Division for Security and Defence, is systematically implementing its industrialization strategy. The latest step was the opening of the first defence oriented engineering centre owned by a foreign company in India. Mr. Gerwert underlined: "This proves that we are ready to transfer high value defence R&D to India." Cassidian plans to increase the current number of 60 employees in its defence engineering centre to more than 200 by the end of 2012, with many of them working on Eurofighter related tasks. Mr. Gerwert also said: "We strongly believe that Eurofighter Typhoon is indeed the best choice for safeguarding India's autonomy and sovereignty. Its selection will elevate the strategic relationship between India and Europe to a completely new level."

Enzo Casolini, CEO Eurofighter GmbH, said: "India and other nations in Asia are important markets for combat aircraft. All nations are watching closely how India is running this tough competition and will evaluate the final result in every detail. In the next 20 years the total world market for combat aircraft could reach a total of 800 units. We believe that Eurofighter Typhoon could potentially win orders for around 250 of these aircraft."

Eurofighter Typhoon is currently the most modern multi-role combat aircraft available on the world market and the latest technology fighter aircraft on offer for the MMRCA. Its airframe is made of over 80 % composites, incorporating new-age materials like carbon fibre composites (CFC), glass-reinforced plastic, special alloys, etc. The aircraft entered into service in 2004 and has a life span of more than 40 years ahead. Since entry-into-service, more than 260 aircraft have been delivered to six customers. The worldwide Eurofighter Typhoon fleet just recently achieved the milestone of 100,000 flying hours.

 

[kingdurgaking]

why even gripen , when LCA already around ?

and why you want more twin engine? when future inventory is only with twin engine except LCA

 

[angeldemon_007]

Why you are posting a month old article??/

why even gripen , when LCA already around ?

LCA is no doubt an achievement by HAL but its nothing in comparison to Gripen especially Gripen NG.

and why you want more twin engine? when future inventory is only with twin engine except LCA

I would still go for Rafale and we should request Israel to sell us Elta 2052 AESA. The number radars will be huge and hence Israel might even consider even though US revolts, also won't oppose the way it does in case of China.

If we don't go for Rafale i think the next choice should be F18 but only if US agree to give us tech. This deal is very important to US and hence we can negotiate on our terms, we can even ask for some weapons like armed uavs if we select US firms. Also if US disagree to give us tech we should definitely make sure that US knows why we cancelled their offer so that next time they will transfer the tech.

I would say then we should go for Gripen but we have to make sure that we don't face problem from the third party suppliers.

 

[GareebNawaz]

Why you are posting a month old article??/


LCA is no doubt an achievement by HAL but its nothing in comparison to Gripen especially Gripen NG.


I would still go for Rafale and we should request Israel to sell us Elta 2052 AESA. The number radars will be huge and hence Israel might even consider even though US revolts, also won't oppose the way it does in case of China.

If we don't go for Rafale i think the next choice should be F18 but only if US agree to give us tech. This deal is very important to US and hence we can negotiate on our terms, we can even ask for some weapons like armed uavs if we select US firms. Also if US disagree to give us tech we should definitely make sure that US knows why we cancelled their offer so that next time they will transfer the tech.

I would say then we should go for Gripen but we have to make sure that we don't face problem from the third party suppliers.

WTF? Rafale? In IAF? Aapka demaag kharab hai kya? No country really wants it, it is way to expensive, the AESA on that thing is not even fully matured, how can it boast of stealth like capabilities with that stupid mid-air refueling stick sticking out (i assume it will give more RCS).

Superhornet is the clear victor of MMRCA-

A. Most advanced AESA radar being offered to India thourgh MMRCA
B. Has some stealthy capabilties like Internal weapons pod
C.Great range, combat proven
D. International roadmap plan being offered

That says it all. Yes Rafale has greater payload, combat radius, ferry range (2nd to EF), low MTOW.

I dont think rafale is bad, but SH is going to win just becuase of political advantages. Doesnt matter if EF wins and we partener with 4 countries. If you are an ally/ partner of USA no one can BS or do anything about it. USA controls NATO and europe though its capitalist fists so being partnered with EU and not USA is futile and we wont gain anything in the long term.

But if the report as true that MMRCA orders will rise to 260 then I hope we go for Rafale and SH.

 

[SpArK]

 

[kingdurgaking]

WTF? Rafale? In IAF? Aapka demaag kharab hai kya? No country really wants it, it is way to expensive, the AESA on that thing is not even fully matured, how can it boast of stealth like capabilities with that stupid mid-air refueling stick sticking out (i assume it will give more RCS).

Superhornet is the clear victor of MMRCA-

A. Most advanced AESA radar being offered to India thourgh MMRCA
B. Has some stealthy capabilties like Internal weapons pod
C.Great range, combat proven
D. International roadmap plan being offered

That says it all. Yes Rafale has greater payload, combat radius, ferry range (2nd to EF), low MTOW.

I dont think rafale is bad, but SH is going to win just becuase of political advantages. Doesnt matter if EF wins and we partener with 4 countries. If you are an ally/ partner of USA no one can BS or do anything about it. USA controls NATO and europe though its capitalist fists so being partnered with EU and not USA is futile and we wont gain anything in the long term.

But if the report as true that MMRCA orders will rise to 260 then I hope we go for Rafale and SH.

What does Rafale, SH ,EFT can perform that Griphen NG cannot perform... it can carry BVR along with good payload.. it can do mid air refuelling.. It will get AESA.. good EW.. further we can customize it in future.. as we get 100%ToT ... if possible we can port Kaveri also... what else you want?... It is a good bird for a good cost..

 

[sudhir007]

MMRCA Shortlist to Be Announced In April | AVIATION WEEK

The shortlist for the six contenders for India’s Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program is to be announced in the first week of April.

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik had declared at Aero India on Feb. 10 that he was optimistic that price negotiations would start within a few weeks and a deal could be signed by September, “provided dissatisfied vendors do not put a spoke in the wheel and delay proceedings.”

Aviation Week has learned that two or three vendors will be asked to submit their offset proposals within six months. The defense ministry will negotiate offsets with the down-selected companies only. Recently, the ministry asked all MMRCA vendors to hold back on presenting their offset proposals.

According to India’s Defense Procurement Procedures, the offset proposals are not a primary criterion for the source selection, as they are compliant.

The 126-aircraft MMRCA contract is the largest defense procurement program in India and the most-watched fighter competition around the world. In the running are Mikoyan’s MiG-35, the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Boeing F/A-18E/F and Lockheed Martin F-16.

Some observers here have been speculating that the Typhoon and Rafale are the leading contenders. It is not clear if a decision has been made on a third down-select vendor; sources in the defense ministry have indicated it could be Boeing.

 

[SpArK]

MMRCA Shortlist to Be Announced In April | AVIATION WEEK

The shortlist for the six contenders for India’s Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program is to be announced in the first week of April.

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik had declared at Aero India on Feb. 10 that he was optimistic that price negotiations would start within a few weeks and a deal could be signed by September, “provided dissatisfied vendors do not put a spoke in the wheel and delay proceedings.”

Aviation Week has learned that two or three vendors will be asked to submit their offset proposals within six months. The defense ministry will negotiate offsets with the down-selected companies only. Recently, the ministry asked all MMRCA vendors to hold back on presenting their offset proposals.

According to India’s Defense Procurement Procedures, the offset proposals are not a primary criterion for the source selection, as they are compliant.

The 126-aircraft MMRCA contract is the largest defense procurement program in India and the most-watched fighter competition around the world. In the running are Mikoyan’s MiG-35, the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, Boeing F/A-18E/F and Lockheed Martin F-16.

Some observers here have been speculating that the Typhoon and Rafale are the leading contenders. It is not clear if a decision has been made on a third down-select vendor; sources in the defense ministry have indicated it could be Boeing.

Yaaa.. whatever... been hearing it so long that, it doesnt excite me anymore..

Let it happen first..

 

[MST]

Why you are posting a month old article??/

LCA is no doubt an achievement by HAL but its nothing in comparison to Gripen especially Gripen NG.

Errr...the Air Chief himself said that Tejas will be as good as the Gripen going forward. I am sure you won't be knowing more than him isn't it. Instead of buying gripen NG which will be available in 2017 its better to scrap MMRCA and buy 300 LCA MKII.

I would say then we should go for Gripen but we have to make sure that we don't face problem from the third party suppliers.

How many times do we need discuss that gripen is one of the most risky planes. It has US engine. If we buy US plane we have some bargaining chip with them. We buy Gripen we won't even have that.

Right now Rafale and F18 are the front runners.

 

[luckyyy]

MMRCA Shortlist to Be Announced In April | AVIATION WEEK
Aviation Week has learned that two or three vendors will be asked to submit their offset proposals within six months. The defense ministry will negotiate offsets with the down-selected companies only. Recently, the ministry asked all MMRCA vendors to hold back on presenting their offset proposals
According to India’s Defense Procurement Procedures, the offset proposals are not a primary criterion for the source selection, as they are compliant.

couldn't get !!

i think media just speculating , there was a news few weeks back that offset proposal files goes missing from MoD , and now media speculating that offset proposals will be submitted after downselection..
just pathatic reporting by these reporters that they seem making their own news ....

 

[kingdurgaking]

Errr...the Air Chief himself said that Tejas will be as good as the Gripen going forward. I am sure you won't be knowing more than him isn't it. Instead of buying gripen NG which will be available in 2017 its better to scrap MMRCA and buy 300 LCA MKII.



How many times do we need discuss that gripen is one of the most risky planes. It has US engine. If we buy US plane we have some bargaining chip with them. We buy Gripen we won't even have that.

Right now Rafale and F18 are the front runners.

So is Tejas.... everything is risky.... if you feel Griphen is risky then F18 & F16 is the most risky...
Rafale is a costly best and we dont need such one.. Griphen can do the job what Rafale can do

 

[luckyyy]

So is Tejas.... everything is risky.... if you feel Griphen is risky then F18 & F16 is the most risky...
Rafale is a costly best and we dont need such one.. Griphen can do the job what Rafale can do

that's what the member is saying ..
if Griphen can do the job what Rafale can do , then why not scrap the mmrca and just induct more LCA..

 

[kingdurgaking]

that's what the member is saying ..
if Griphen can do the job what Rafale can do , then why not scrap the mmrca and just induct more LCA..

how much LCA you can induct?? first of all MRCA came out on the wake of LCA not ready.. but when LCA showed the light at the end of the tunnel the requirements became MMRCA.. which means need for more advanced technology.. currently LCA Mk2 will be in the category of MMRCA but with still lesser weight.. but can we wait till 2018 with the squad strength dipping further to 20? doesnt seems to be good atleast for our security

 

[luckyyy]

it's india's own , induct as many needed..

 

[kingdurgaking]

it's india's own , induct as many needed..

Not easy as you talk ... Any induction needs proper planning, funds, and infrastructure to support it.. other wise you will produce the fighter with higher cost.. In addition to this if you induct 40 LCA / year ... your factories will be idle and you will incur more loss.. All this will affect economy... A decent induction will be max of 15 with the infrastructure we have... which means it will take 6 yrs to induct 90 planes.. that means after 2018 you will wait till 2025 for induction of 90 planes.. while we will have squad strength reduced to 25 and more money will be wasted on upgrading age old fighters like Jaguar, 27 , 29 and M-2000.. which doesnt make any sense.. it is better to go for new fighters with induction promised from 2014 from the time 27 will be retiring ..

My guess if LCA MK-2 comes out before 2018 say 2016 with a competing technologies... its order will be surely increased to 250... while MMRCA will be kept at 126