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AESAAESA radar is new and not an upgrade, IRST is new, engine is new, EWS is new, even the airframe has clear changes.
Look man, share the source. Earlier you told me :EWS is new, even the airframe has clear changes.
I read a blog entry dated 2004 and it showed Gripen had IRST then also.IRST is not available on the Gripen at all and will be a new tech as well...
some radar ??/Which basically are airframe, some radar and some avionics only and that's pretty much the same that we have (we have our own data links, have our own EWS and radar developments and even design a similiar class fighter).
Why are you talking about these. These are separate JVs. Its possible the company which is selected for MMRCA might be included in these projects, but still its a different thing.What we need instead is:
- a partner that can help us with AESA radar development, but Saab was not invited to the co-development competition
- a partner that can help us with Kaveri engine co-development, but Volvo was not evaluated for it and Snecma was chosen
- a partner that can help to re-design LCA for carrier operations, but Saab was never considered as an option and IN didn't even invited them for the naval carrier fighter competition (Saab requested to join later)
You are right except the american companies.but we can benefit way more from bigger and more experienced companies / vendors / partners like EADS, Boeing, LM, Sukhoi, or even Dassault.
IRST
Earlier version of the gripen also had IRST, it had a range of 30km. As you are saying IRST is new, i think it must be an advanced version but its not a big deal, nowadays many flying machine has experience in IRST...
...I read a blog entry dated 2004 and it showed Gripen had IRST then also.
AESA
Gripen is the only fighter who tested its aesa earlier than rest of the fighters. Rafale tested it in 2010, eurofighter has not even made an aesa yet, while i don't have enough information on Mig35.
Thales has been developing its own European advanced AESA radar technology since the 1990s. With its long experience in radar technology for combat aircraft and in Passive Antenna Electronic Scanning functions qualified for the Rafale RBE2 radar, Thales has been testing development models of the RBE2 AESA radar since 2003.
Euroradar Caesar active electronically scanned array takes flight in Eurofighter Typhoon
May 14, 2007
Basildon, U.K., 14 May 2007. The Euroradar Caesar active electronically scanned array (AESA) variant of the Captor radar system has completed a flight test program in the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft. The flights were conducted by EADS from the Manching facility in Germany.
The Gripen Demo technology demonstration program has been conducted in two phases and involves a flying demonstrator and an avionics rig. Phase 1 flight tests got under way with a first flight on May 27, 2008
DATE:05/11/09
SOURCE:Flight International
PICTURE: Saab's Gripen Demo makes first flight with AESA radar
engine
NG will operate on GE414. Right now it works on Volvo Aero Corporation RM12
Dude you call an aesa some radar ?
AESA
I have told you earlier also, the aesa radar is not tested in any of the MMRCA contender except american fighters.
Apart from that, Gripen is the only fighter who tested its aesa earlier than rest of the fighters. Rafale tested it in 2010, eurofighter has not even made an aesa yet, while i don't have enough information on Mig35.
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@Sancho....
Though Griphen NG is not poweful like Rafale or EFT at present... But being a small single engine multi role , If it had AESA, IRST etc.. it will really had muscle to our Fleet.. Though my Favourite was EFT... but considering the numbers of twin engine + Quality in our current fleet i feel Griphen is the best option ..... further more Griphen NG will be customized according to indian requirement like Indian weapons.. ability to take off from Roads + hot refuleing etc which impressed IAF very much .... Only thing is it is late ... if the above requirements exist now.. Griphen NG would have been the best option.. Still it is the best option but not yet complete... Too say in simple terms... Quality for the unmatched cost...
...The built-in Auxiliary Power Unit provides electrical power until the engine-driven generators come on line. During exercise "Trident d'Or", French Naval Aviators validated the RAFALE hot refuelling procedure....
Not really, because any tanker will be able to refuel the MMRCAs, but which tankers will be able to refuel P8I and C17?Indias MMRCA trials help Russian aerial refueling tanker bid
Not really, because any tanker will be able to refuel the MMRCAs, but which tankers will be able to refuel P8I and C17?
There is no doubt about the cost advantage of Gripen and I do think that it is a capable fighter in A2A (one could say Gripen EF will be a downgraded EF T3 in the A2A role, because it offers everything the EF offers in this field, only in less capable versions). But that is also the problem, because India has it's own fighter for this cost-effective A2A role, the Tejas!
And it is not important if Tejas MK2 will be equally good as Gripen E/F or not, but that the difference will only be very small compared to the difference to real medium class fighters like F16, Rafale...
Basic spec comparison (LCA MK1, MK2 expected, Gripen E/F, F16IN, Rafale, EF):
Emptyweight - 6.5t / 6.5 - 7t / 7.1t / 10t / 9.5t / 11t
MTOW - 13.5t / 14 - 16t / 16.5t / 21t / 24.5t / 23.5t
Internal fuel - 2.4t / 3+t / 3.3t / 3.2t + CFTs / 4.7t / 4.9t
Weapon stations - 7+1 / 7(9) + 1? / 7(9) + 1 / 11 + 2 / 9(12) + 2 / 13 + 0
Dry thrust - 54kN / 62.3kN / 62.3kN / 84kN / 100kN / 120kN
So adding Gripen NG along side of Tejas means of course low costs, but only a minimal improvement of IAF capabilities, especially in A2G roles.
When you add the lack of political and strategic advantages, less ToT and offsets compared to the other Eurocanards, the fact that it's not ready and as admitted from the Saab India official, the lack of support during war times, it offers way too less for us, to be the winner of the biggest fighter competition of the world.
Btw, please don't fall on SAABs PR!
Benny's post showed that landing on roads is even possible with F18s and I guess we all know the conditions of Indian roads, syo that's not a requirement for sure. Even the hot refuelling is nothing special for Gripen only:
Low operating costs