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Eurofighter ahead in IAF deal
Likely to pip Russian, US, French jets for $10-billion ‘deal of the decade’


New Delhi, January 10
The buzz has started about which new ‘fighter bird’ will rule the Indian skies as well as those of enemy. The Eurofighter aircraft, it seems, has emerged the winner after a long ‘dogfight’ among six foreign 4.5th generation jet planes to clinch over $10-billion Indian Air Force deal for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA). The second runner-up is said to be the French fighter Rafale.

Despite the aggressive business-oriented visit of US President Barack Obama recently, two major competing American military aircraft makers, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, have lost their pitch.

Growing Indo-US strategic relations have not helped the American diplomatic and arms lobbies to get either of the two planes touch the winning mark. India had shortlisted six aircraft: American Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN ‘Super Viper’, US Boeing’s ‘Super Hornet’ F/A-18IN, European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company NV (EADS)’ Eurofighter Typhoon - EADS is a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italy firms - French D'assault's Rafale, Swedish Saab’s Gripen, and Russian MiG-35. The MMRCAs induction is likely to start by 2015.

When the file related to the final evaluation of rival aircraft was shown to Defence Minister AK Antony, highly reliable sources told The Tribune that he said that if this was the case, let it be. The Prime Minister’s Office has been made aware about this. Now, a ‘political decision’ is awaited on this mega deal.

Interestingly, on the New Year eve, an important file relating to the deal was found on the roadside in the Khel Gaon area. The file was supposed to be in the custody of an IAS officer of the rank of director in the defence production wing of the Ministry of Defence. An inquiry has been ordered.

The IAF intends to purchase the MMRCA combat jets to replace its aging Russian-made MiG-21 fleet in phases and help in curbing the recent trend of the depleting squadron strength.

India had floated tenders for this deal in August 2007. The exhaustive technical evaluation of the six global manufacturers’ bids was completed last year. Starting from Bangalore, the trials took the competing fighters and their weapons to the hot desert region of Jaisalmer as well as high-altitude Leh.

Incidentally, the IAF ‘top guns’ - after trials at home and abroad - were said to be in favour of Swedish Saab’s Gripen fighters. Boeing’s ‘Super Hornet’ also reportedly gave a tough fight to be among the top four. The Eurofighter is said to be the costliest jet among the competitors.

Lockheed Martin’s F-16 lost mainly as the Air Force pilots’ community raised a critical question: why should India go for the same fighter aircraft that is with our main regional adversary - Pakistan?

The arrival of Lockheed Martin’s F-16 fighter plane for trials had made many in the IAF apprehensive, and they feared that its ‘selection’ - because of over-pitched American lobbying - might become a ‘combat disadvantage’ for India. Pakistan has been operating F-16 aircraft since the mid-eighties and is currently flying the F-16 Block 50.

The Russian MiG-35 was ‘not touched’ by the evaluators as New Delhi and Moscow were busy signing a deal for a fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).
The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News
 
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Is it something like EJ 200 has won the LCA engine competition? Because i no longer feel like the MMRCA reports have any truth in them as the whole decision is political now as the whole evaluations have reached the MoD.
 
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Is it something like EJ 200 has won the LCA engine competition? Because i no longer feel like the MMRCA reports have any truth in them as the whole decision is political now as the whole evaluations have reached the MoD.

precisely. Its on the same line. Media persons seem to have vested interest in different companies.
 
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precisely. Its on the same line. Media persons seem to have vested interest in different companies.
Like Ajay Shukla....who recently pitched for F-35 :lol:
 
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what is the difference buying Gripen against EF or rafale.......?

after all all weapon configuration are same for three and the local products(cockpit displays , avionics , EWS etc) will going to be the same for all three........

what additional is there in EF or rafale against Gripen..?
 
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This week's Image of the Week (featured on page 3 of Flight International), is taken by AirSpace user flyer1 (Martin Dighton). His photo depicts a RAF RAF Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon FGR4 ZJ923 [cn.0075/BS014] and a RAF Supermarine 389 Spitfire PR19 [cn.65/585121]

"The sun was just breaking through the cloud as the pair banked and began to climb," Martin says.
 
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what is the difference buying Gripen against EF or rafale.......?

after all all weapon configuration are same for three and the local products(cockpit displays , avionics , EWS etc) will going to be the same for all three........

what additional is there in EF or rafale against Gripen..?

Basically, all important points!

1) Flight performance - Light single engine fighter vs. medium twin engine fighters (especially with more than A2A loads)

2) Development status - Prototype stage vs. operational versions that needs no airframe changes and just minor upgrades

3) ToT - All major parts from, or under co-development with foreign countries only vs. all major parts developed on their own

4) Offsets - Saab aviation is a rather small company and can offer only less offsets vs. EF consortium, or even Dassault

5) Political, or strategic advantages - None vs. most powerful European countries and defense industries


On pure cost basis, the Gripen is of course a very good fighter, but we need more in different roles and the main aim must be to get as much side advantages, that Saab and Sweden simply can't offer.
 
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precisely. Its on the same line. Media persons seem to have vested interest in different companies.

Actually we didn't get too many new reports for a long time, all these EF and Rafale are leading articles are mainly based on the Times of India report, or on even older once (Indian abassador in Italy...).
Since IAF transfered their report to MoD and the selection of the LCA MK2 engine, we mainly heared PR besides the visits of all the world leaders in India and only the shortlistings might bring something really new, or interesting.
I mean even the big and sensational scam about the MMRCA documents lying on the road didn't come up with any new info right?

More interesting are the reports from Brazil, or Europe about the FX2 competition, or budget cuts and upgrades, because that tells us more about the reality of these fighters.
 
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Win a Gripen flight at Aero India


If you’ve ever dreamed about really, well and truly satisfying your need for speed, here’s your shot.

Swedish defense company Saab has launched a contest that offers a grand prize of a flight on its Gripen NG fighter aircraft at Aero India in Bangalore next month.

All you have to do is go to Gripen Top Guns, click on the Facebook Connect button and enter your login details.

Joanna Sjölander, Director of Gripen in India, says, “Someone in India with a life long dream will be flying a world beating fighter aircraft very soon. We hope the games we offer will be tempting to many people and look forward to making one big dream, as well as many small wishes, come true.”

Five winners of the Professional or Ace level of the contest will get to fly the Gripen simulator at the air show. By the way, to play the Ace level you need to have Microsoft Flight Simulator installed on your computer. But only one of those five will actually be offered a seat in the Gripen. The winner will need to show an Indian passport, attend an interview and submit to a health checkup, besides adhering to some physical requirements.

Gripen is also hunting for models for its calendar. Six of each sex. So those of you who like to preen and think would make the cut, head over to the contest website and login as described above. Remember, they require you to be properly dressed in all the photographs you submit. There’s a cash prize of INR 25,000 each, besides opportunities to model for advertisements as well.

The last date to win the flight or become the Gripen model is the end of this month and the minimum age for both is 18 years. If you don’t live in or around Bangalore, Saab will fly you in for the air show.

And for those of you who aren’t 18 yet or don’t get to fly or model, there are still other goodies to be won, including Gripen flight suits and shades.

So go ahead, but just don’t buzz the tower. The Indian Air Force (IAF) will not be amused.



Win a Gripen flight at Aero India | StratPost
 
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Interview with Saab India Chief Mr. Inderjit Sial

...Vishal Kansagra: What missile systems are being on offer to India?
Inderjit Sial: Keeping customer requirements in mind, RBS-70 MANPAD and RBS-15 Mk3 air-to-surface missile are being offered currently.


Vishal Kansagra: Any plans to offer Taurus 350 KEPD?
Inderjit Sial: We don’t see a requirement for this class of weapon right now, but we might offer it in future.


Vishal Kansagra: What about financing solutions for purchase?
Inderjit Sial: We customize various solutions depending on needs of the customer. For instance we have got support from Swedish government to transfer some Gripens from Swedish Air Force in case Gripen is selected in MMRCA competition. This will reduce the time to build up numbers in IAF and will fast track training...


...Vishal Kansagra: What about compulsions in Swedish policy for offsets?
Inderjit Sial: Our offset policies are meant to infuse technologies into local industry rather than just fulfill offset obligations. This approach not only gives a boost to local industry but also reduces the overall cost of our products. Swedish government has cleared us to offer latest technology we have without waiting for any approvals...


...Vishal Kansagra: What about Swedish foreign policy about not selling weapons to countries involved in conflict?
Inderjit Sial: Sweden is a neutral country like India and Swedish foreign policy is very clear about regions involved in conflict. We have a very smooth working relationship with various entities in India. As of now India is not involved in any conflict hence I would not speculate.

More than Gripen - Interview with Saab India Chief Mr. Inderjit Sial | India Defence


So no Taurus on offer for India so far, but more interesting Gripen C/D as a stop gap?
No approval needed for Swedish tech transfer, but what about the foreign parts?
The last point is very interesting too, because India was interested in Swedish fighters in the past as well, but these kind of restrictions of GoS were reported to be the reason not to procure them. If there are still such rules, the Gripen is obviously a no go for India, with it's neighborhood.
 
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Interview with Saab India Chief Mr. Inderjit Sial



More than Gripen - Interview with Saab India Chief Mr. Inderjit Sial | India Defence


So no Taurus on offer for India so far, but more interesting Gripen C/D as a stop gap?
No approval needed for Swedish tech transfer, but what about the foreign parts?
The last point is very interesting too, because India was interested in Swedish fighters in the past as well, but these kind of restrictions of GoS were reported to be the reason not to procure them. If there are still such rules, the Gripen is obviously a no go for India, with it's neighborhood.

Would there be any coincidence that the chief talked about Gripen during IOC and comparing it and showing dissatisfactions ???
 
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