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Fake news and let me warn you sudhir this blogspot is full of Spywares and virus .do remember that.

That's not fake news, but a summery of the news TV news reports that came up some month ago that EF and Rafale is leading.
Imo it would be more than surprising if only these 2 will be shortlisted, I still remain with Gripen, F18SH and Rafale, while the final decision is between F18 and Rafale.
Anything else simply doesn't make sense from the point of view of our forces, because only these can be used for IN aswell and only these offer credible strike capabilities.
 
i know sancho its 1st reported in timesnow ,after that there was a gold rush by many bloggers and helped to feed 1000s of post many fora.
 
My vote is on Typhoon but if rafale wins then also there wont be any surprise. But I don't think Russian fighter because of delays in Mig35(1st fighter only after 2013) and Americans because of less trust and they won't be providing with enough TOT.

The best deal is provided to India by Saab from all point of view but the drawback is no political gain. If Gripen NG wins then also I am a happy man.
 
Gripen NG just makes pure sense in terms of Cost, Total TOT trf, new range of weapons, vixen aesa radar, lowest life cycle cost, no end user issues, no political interference , commom engine as mk2 tejas.. ie GE414..

126 Gripen NG with GE414 engine, meteore BVR, Vixen Aesa
120 Tejas mk2, with GE414 engine, Astra bvr, Elta Aesa radar

Low cost share engines, and Training
 
i know sancho its 1st reported in timesnow ,after that there was a gold rush by many bloggers and helped to feed 1000s of post many fora.

Not only bloggers, even media in the EF partner countries used it as a base for reports that EF is leading the technical evaluation, although there was no reliable source (at least I didn't found one so far) about the trials so far.


no political interference...
...share engines, and Training


No political interference, or did you meant no political advantage? ;)
Also how can a LCA and Gripen can share training?
 
My vote is on Typhoon but if rafale wins then also there wont be any surprise. But I don't think Russian fighter because of delays in Mig35(1st fighter only after 2013) and Americans because of less trust and they won't be providing with enough TOT.

The best deal is provided to India by Saab from all point of view but the drawback is no political gain. If Gripen NG wins then also I am a happy man.

it's a transperent procces and each compititer has spand lot of money on trails...
so we need to look at the procces itself ..
technical evaluation and field trails are over and all 6 has moved forward..
now offset and bidding would be elaluated....
once the IAF cleared all 6 in feild trails , the talk of better aircrafts with better capabilities should rest..
now the talks should focus on offset and bidding...
i think the last two that will left on the negotionation table will be Gripen and MIG-35...

Gripen is costly initially be will score on maintanence cost...
MIG-35 is cheap initially but looose on maintanence cost...
i think the overall life cycle cost of both would be at same level...
 
it's a transperent procces and each compititer has spand lot of money on trails...
so we need to look at the procces itself ..
technical evaluation and field trails are over and all 6 has moved forward..
now offset and bidding would be elaluated....
once the IAF cleared all 6 in feild trails , the talk of better aircrafts with better capabilities should rest..
now the talks should focus on offset and bidding...
i think the last two that will left on the negotionation table will be Gripen and MIG-35...

Gripen is costly initially be will score on maintanence cost...
MIG-35 is cheap initially but looose on maintanence cost...
i think the overall life cycle cost of both would be at same level...

There is no doubt that MIG-35 and Grippen has advantage in terms of low cost and maintenance cost. But i donot think IAF will choose Mig-35. There are several factors which have been discussed hundred times by many members, so no point in discussing them again here.

Grippen is a strong contender but still looking at political factor and other competitor aircrafts , MoD & IAF should be choosing between F-18 , Rafael or Eurofighter. Looking at the American's sanctions history and various issues for end user agreement and ToT factors, They are also not in last contender lists, unless MoD babus get in picture.
Most probably winner should be from Europe only but which one , this is mistry only as of now. My money is on Eurofighter and Rafael only.
 
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There is no doubt that MIG-35 and Grippen has advantage in terms of low cost and maintenance cost. But i donot think IAF will choose Mig-35. There are several factors which have been discussed hundred times by many members, so no point in discussing them again here.

Grippen is a strong contender but still looking at political factor and other competitor aircrafts , MoD & IAF should be choosing between F-18 , Rafael or Eurofighter. Looking at the American's sanctions history and various issues for end user agreement and ToT factors, They are also not in last contender lists, unless MoD babus get in picture.
Most probably winner should be from Europe only but which one , this is mistry only as of now. My money is on Eurofighter and Rafael only.

eurojet engine lost to GE....in a tendor procces specially when compititers spands so much money on trials , the contract is bound to be given on transperant commercial L1 bid...
 
Indian MMRCA offsets differences near solution

A solution to the vexed issue of third party suppliers within the offset obligations of bidders of India’s estimated $10 billion MMRCA fighter contract appears to be near with the bidders and the MoD reportedly agreeing to the draft of a contract between the prime integrators (the six bidders-Lockheed Martin, Boeing, MiG, Saab, Eurofighter and Dassault), their major sub-contractors and the MoD.

Earlier, the MoD and the prime integrators had serious differences over what industry sources called as “ third party contracts”. The MoD was insisting that the prime integrators sign MoUs on behalf of the sub-contractors while the latter expressing inability to do so on ground that they could not stand guarantee for their sub-contractors’ commitments. “A draft of the MoU is expected to be received from the MoD soon after which the vendors will have to sign these with each of the sub-system providers who have been mentioned under the 50% offsets obligations for the MMRCA contract”, an industry source told Defenseworld.net. There is broad agreement between a majority of the bidders and the MoD over the new MoU, the source said.

A fresh deadline of January 28, 2011 has been set to receive the signed MoUs, after which the MoD will examine afresh the offset proposals and proceed with the rest of the evaluation in selecting an ultimate winner.

Earlier, the six bidders had been informed that their offsets proposals needed to be redrawn as the MoD would only accept the prime contractors’ commitments for any offset work to be done which will have to be direct offsets and involve transfer of technology to India. It is not yet clear what the terms of the new MoU will be like, the sources said stating that however, recent interactions between the MoD’s MMRCA cell and the bidders seems to indicate forward movement.

There are altogether some 500-600 offset proposals as part of the MMRCA bids involving all the prime integrators. “Explaining the MoU to each of the sub-system providers in the context of every one of the offset proposals will be a time consuming exercise involving complex legal and technical issues and the approximate one month time looks too short to accomplish this work”, the industry sources said.

Industry experts as well as defence officials have voiced concern over the offsets policy. At a seminar on the fifth international conference on energising Indian aerospace industry organised by the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and Vayu Aerospace, the outgoing Vice Chief of the Indian Air Force, P.K. Barbora said a “well-defined offset policy is the need of the day”. Barbora has been quoted as saying on December 16, “our offset policy is very nascent. It is complicated and foreign vendors find it difficult to understand”. Barbora is reported to have made it clear that the comments were his personal views.

The Indian MoD is scheduled to announce a new edition of its defence procurement policy early next year which is expected to address some of the concerns of international vendors.
 
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