Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Spectre]

https://defence.pk/threads/dassault...ussions-thread-2.351407/page-125#post-8156148

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It's Euro 2.5B for 36 Rafales.
Euro 1B for 10 years spares.
Euro 1.4B for 1 base.
Euro 1B for weapons.

Total = Euro 5.9B for MMRCA configured Rafale.

Customization costs up to Euro 2B. So total is Euro 7.9B. Total 9.3B for two bases. And so on.

It's an estimate.

Why is customization so expensive? We would be anyway paying out of our pocket for the additional hardware. Me thinks it is matter of minor adjustments but then I am not the sharpest cookie in town

1.4 B for 1 base? What are the details of the base? Just hardened concrete along with workshop? Spares are extra anyway

@PARIKRAMA?

 

[Perpendicular]

https://twitter.com/x/status/776412489571405824

 

[BON PLAN]

When we are expecting an increase in MTOW of Indian Airframes , French airframes cannot be turned for IAF.

Else if specifications are similar, why not.

Both can not happen simultaneously.

Maybe French AF can lease some new Rafale B (in a french definition) , just to begin the training phase in India, the time the first Indian planes are produced.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Why is customization so expensive? We would be anyway paying out of our pocket for the additional hardware. Me thinks it is matter of minor adjustments but then I am not the sharpest cookie in town

1.4 B for 1 base? What are the details of the base? Just hardened concrete along with workshop? Spares are extra anyway

@PARIKRAMA?

Base will be equipped with simulator,Trainig system Maintenance management system (like ALIS for the F-35) etc.
Customisation include New M-88 and the integration and fly test of russian and Indian weapons plus an HMDS and perhaps CFT.

 

[BON PLAN]

Why is customization so expensive? We would be anyway paying out of our pocket for the additional hardware. Me thinks it is matter of minor adjustments but then I am not the sharpest cookie in town

1.4 B for 1 base? What are the details of the base? Just hardened concrete along with workshop? Spares are extra anyway

@PARIKRAMA?

India want to integrate Astra, maybe a new and lighter variant of your supersonic cruise missile Brahmos, new bombs, a new targeting pod, a new helmet, a satcom. Maybe some other new items.

 

[Spectre]

Base will be equipped with simulator,Trainig system Maintenance management system (like ALIS for the F-35) etc.
Customisation include New M-88 and the integration and fly test of russian and Indian weapons plus an HMDS and perhaps CFT.

Doesn't make sense for 36 jets.. Not one bit.

These are one time expenses AFAIK would be much better to spread out the cost over larger order.

 

[randomradio]

Why is customization so expensive? We would be anyway paying out of our pocket for the additional hardware. Me thinks it is matter of minor adjustments but then I am not the sharpest cookie in town

Integration is expensive on the Rafale because every time you add something you have to take it to the anechoic chamber for RCS tests. And stuff likes pods and weapons have to be tested in multiple configurations.

And this customization cost would be spread out over many years as equipment becomes available, like the Astra or a new surveillance pod and so on.

I won't be surprised if they build one or two new prototypes if necessary.

 

[Spectre]

satcom

Delicious. Rest are perfunctory.

If India wants it's own custom weapons loadout then why spend so much on weapons package

 

[randomradio]

Doesn't make sense for 36 jets.. Not one bit.

These are one time expenses AFAIK would be much better to spread out the cost over larger order.

These are one time expenses of course. And a larger order of 90 jets is pending. We should eventually be operating 200 Rafales between the IAF and IN.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...9175?type=news&id=1459175&category=india-news

 

[Spectre]

Integration is expensive on the Rafale because every time you add something you have to take it to the anechoic chamber for RCS tests. And stuff likes pods and weapons have to be tested in multiple configurations.

And this customization cost would be spread out over many years as equipment becomes available, like the Astra or a new surveillance pod and so on.

I won't be surprised if they build one or two new prototypes if necessary.

Too early to say, most the Indian weapons are in development. Doesn't make sense as I earlier said for 36 jets. Now if the order was increased then the costs would be justified.

These are one time expenses of course. And a larger order of 90 jets is pending. We should eventually be operating 200 Rafales between the IAF and IN.

Bhai. The new order is speculation as of now. What if it doesn't materialize. Then all the money for customization and bases would be wasted on just 36 jets right?

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

My estimate of January 2016
http://indiandefence.com/threads/mrca-updates-and-discussions.22159/page-997#post-484089

 

[Abingdonboy]

Bhai. The new order is speculation as of now. What if it doesn't materialize. Then all the money for customization and bases would be wasted on just 36 jets right?

The 36 jet deal will only ever lead to more, if more weren't coming this highly expensive (for good reason) deal for 36 off the shelf would never be signed. As you have pointed out, such high costs are not warranted for such a limited number of units which implies just one thing.....


There is clearly a lot going on behind the scenes that we cannot help but speculate about. I know you are reluctant to accept the follow on order for MII jets is coming but all signs are pointing to this sir.

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I'm surprised Mr Hollande doesn't want to take the publicity for himself and isn't making the trip over to India personally especially in an election year. @Taygibay @Vergennes @Picdelamirand-oil @BON PLAN

My estimate of January 2016
http://indiandefence.com/threads/mrca-updates-and-discussions.22159/page-997#post-484089

Uncanny, you were dead on!

 

[randomradio]

Bhai. The new order is speculation as of now. What if it doesn't materialize. Then all the money for customization and bases would be wasted on just 36 jets right?

It's happening. The 90 jets MII And possibly 36 jets for the IN also once everything is ready. Apart from that 18 more naval jets will come in from France.

Totally, IAF wants 126 Rafales in the short term and IN wants 54 jets.

 

[[Bregs]]

36+18 follow on are sure and even this number is not economical for such a costly aircraft if there is not a make in india proposal to manufacture 72+36 for naval version of Rafale