Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[[Bregs]]

Three cheers for this marathon, grilling deal which came after many obstacles and near collapse many time since past 4 and half years. IAF is all set to get one of the best fighter aircraft after suffering depletion of sq strength. What a pleasing turn of event in the end for dassault that at one time they were not part of the tender of MMRCA, they were allowed to come late into this tender replacing there Mirage 2005 aircraft



Special thanks to @PARIKRAMA for keeping everyone here updated about this deal, to @ Abingdonboy for having given latest about this aircraft's details and also to @Picdelamirand-oil for making a very details thread on the rafale aircraft and its hidden capabilities. Thanks to @Taygibay for updating regularly on France side view of this deal

 

[kaykay]

Hold your horses guys..... today is Monday and I'll wait before cheering.

 

[[Bregs]]

Hold your horses guys..... today is Monday and I'll wait before cheering.

lol true this deal has alread turned upside down many times

 

[kaykay]

lol true this deal has alread turned upside down many times

haha have had enough KLPDs already...thats why I'll wait.

 

[[Bregs]]

haha have had enough KLPDs already...thats why I'll wait.

But this time it seems to be on its way to cross final hurdle and reach conclusions, agar ab delay hya fir koi ek bandook bhi nahi bechega india ko

 

[VivasvatManu]

Of course, Dassault and France would have never accepted 50% offstes in order to sell only 36 Rafales. So MII for Rafales is absolutely sure. 90+ for IAF and 45+ for IN. Like I said in january. It will be inked in the contract for 36, either by a public or secret clause.

Nope. When the contract signed you will find that the contract is ONLY for 36 Rafale and with a firm commitment by Dassault for investing 50% of the money back in India to further the Aerospace Industry in India.

There is ZERO commitment for purchasing any more Rafale, but there will be a 100% enforced commitment by Dassault to develop Indian vendors and work with DRDO to transfer tech.

However if you want to "spin" something about a 'Secret' deal, do so by all means. Conspiracy theories are always fun.

 

[R!CK]

Nope. When the contract signed you will find that the contract is ONLY for 36 Rafale and with a firm commitment by Dassault for investing 50% of the money back in India to further the Aerospace Industry in India.

There is ZERO commitment for purchasing any more Rafale, but there will be a 100% enforced commitment by Dassault to develop Indian vendors and work with DRDO to transfer tech.

However if you want to "spin" something about a 'Secret' deal, do so by all means. Conspiracy theories are always fun.

Hes not spinning anything, be patient and find out for yourself. @CNL-PN-AA is a resourceful man. We should rather thank him for the bits and pieces he leaves for us to figure out the whole plan.

Good Day!

 

[4GTejasBVR]

Monday funday

 

[VivasvatManu]

Hes not spinning anything, be patient and find out for yourself. @CNL-PN-AA is a resourceful man. We should rather thank him for the bits and pieces he leaves for us to figure out the whole plan.

Good Day!

lol. You are free to thank him for the bits and feel free to feed of the scraps. Don't push your hero worship onto me.

I suggest you take your own advice and wait for the official news and find out for yourself.

.

 

[4GTejasBVR]

Nope. When the contract signed you will find that the contract is ONLY for 36 Rafale and with a firm commitment by Dassault for investing 50% of the money back in India to further the Aerospace Industry in India.

There is ZERO commitment for purchasing any more Rafale, but there will be a 100% enforced commitment by Dassault to develop Indian vendors and work with DRDO to transfer tech.

However if you want to "spin" something about a 'Secret' deal, do so by all means. Conspiracy theories are always fun.

Wrong deal is also for additional 18 as follow on. But more will can be inked to produce in India as 50% reinvestment by French will help in cutting out additional cost overrun for Make In India Rafale as of today. 36 +18 is for sure. If the deal is for 8 billion euros in 2016 keep adding 3.5% more till 2020 or when ever we might sign. That the rate deal could be signed for additional 18 follow on. But for sure more money need to be invested either by France or India for assembly line.
Even here we could expect more than 30% reinvestment by Rafale from that part of deal aiding to the additional cost.


Can you understand this deal now? Beautifully crafted by Modi government. No more hustling or price negotiations like in the past.

 

[VivasvatManu]

Wrong deal is also for additional 18 as follow on. But more will can be inked to produce in India as 50% reinvestment by French will help in cutting out additional cost overrun for Make In India Rafale as of today. 36 +18 is for sure. If the deal is for 8 billion euros in 2016 keep adding 3.5% more till 2020 or when ever we might sign. That the rate deal could be signed for additional 18 follow on. But for sure more money need to be invested either by France or India for assembly line.
Even here we could expect more than 30% reinvestment by Rafale from that part of deal aiding to the additional cost.


Can you understand this deal now? Beautifully crafted by Modi government. No more hustling or price negotiations like in the past.

True... the deal will possibly involve a clause to sell 18 more.

The entire 50% reinvestment will not be in vendor development so even if more Rafales are made, the impact on Indian Industry will be not much. The bulk of the investment will be for new technology development and will effect future aircrafts of a different gen and class.

An assembly line is the easiest pat of the deal and really requires minimum ToT. There are PLENTY of companies in India who can set up an assembly line without ANY french help.

The Real investment will be for making Avionics and Mech. components and that is unlikely to happen since there has not been news of any collaboration with Indian companies.

This collaboration cannot happen once the deal is signed because the timeline for delivery of these aircrafts will make it impossible to sources any significant components from India. (ToT, prototype, testing, CEMILAC certification etc. etc. its a minimum 2-3 year process )

Full marks to the Modi govt. for crafting a great deal, only its for developing the tech. base in India.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Now since CCS date is out by HT, expect good news after 1030am. Yes CCS time is 1030am. If the agenda point the approved than announcement should happen post that and a media release by PIB should also happen post that.

 

[CNL-PN-AA]

Nope. When the contract signed you will find that the contract is ONLY for 36 Rafale and with a firm commitment by Dassault for investing 50% of the money back in India to further the Aerospace Industry in India.

There is ZERO commitment for purchasing any more Rafale, but there will be a 100% enforced commitment by Dassault to develop Indian vendors and work with DRDO to transfer tech.

However if you want to "spin" something about a 'Secret' deal, do so by all means. Conspiracy theories are always fun.

36 Rafales only and 50 % offsets ? France and Dassault would have never accepted that ! Besides what I know and what I said, it is just obvious that offsets are depending on Rafales made in India. Even a kid would understand that ... And secret clauses are very common in contracts, especially G2G military contracts. During the last year, ALL what I said came true so I am sure that what I say today will soon come true too.

 

[VivasvatManu]

36 Rafales only and 50 % offsets ? France and Dassault would have never accepted that ! Besides what I know and what I said, it is just obvious that offsets are depending on Rafales made in India. Even a kid would understand that ... And secret clauses are very common in contracts, especially G2G military contracts. During the last year, ALL what I said came true so I am sure that what I say today will soon come true too.

...and yet the contact will show that Dassault HAS accepted that.

If I was to predict the future then I would say that IF India was to procure more Rafale it would depend on how much traction Dassault makes in developing Vendors in India and how they score on the Offset implementation scale at the end of 3 years.

This act of good faith and offset implementation by Dassault is going to be the deciding factor for any more contracts.

Since its a G2G deal, there is going to be some secret clauses, only it will not be to build more Rafales.

India will keep its options open and will not be bound by any commitment. I am pretty sure that what I am saying will come true too. So let us just watch the new space, shall we ?

 

[proud indian94]

Waiting for good news.