Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[[Bregs]]

Sadly no HMSD used on the MKI as of now, the TopSight-I is the most likely to feature post the "Super" upgrade but then I have also heard that the HMSD being devlpped for the PAK-FA may be used but I have no specs or confirmation of that.

su 30 mki uses this SURA Helmet-Mounted Target Designation System (HMTDS), Is this good or not ?

http://spetstechnoexport.com/catalogues/145

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Sadly no HMSD used on the MKI as of now, the TopSight-I is the most likely to feature post the "Super" upgrade but then I have also heard that the HMSD being devlpped for the PAK-FA may be used but I have no specs or confirmation of that.

I googled and found SURA HMS on MKI ; same as MIG 21 Bison

BTW what about Jaguar

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

I'm a bit confused, is this the same as the GENTEX Scorpion? Has Thales bought the rights to it or is it the otherway around? Did GENTEX buy the rights for the US market?

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/cont...ay-and-motion-tracking-businesses-gentex-corp

Arlington, VA – November 5th, 2012 – Thales announced that it has signed a definitive agreement to acquire the Helmet Mounted Display (HMD) and motion tracking businesses from Gentex Corporation. Called “Visionix,” the combined group designs, develops and delivers HMD, inertial tracking and sensor fusion technology for defense and aerospace applications, along with others that require precision motion tracking, to customers worldwide. Visionix operates from locations in Aurora, Illinois and Billerica, Massachusetts.
The acquisition of Visionix will give Thales the ability to offer highly capable HMD technology amidst rigorous budget constraints within the market. Visionix’ motion tracking technology (sold under the brand name “InterSense”) integrated into its Scorpion™ Helmet Mounted Cueing System provides an optimal solution of choice for pilots and integrators that allows for rapid deployment as well as affordable procurement and life cycle costs.

The full color is a Thales technology.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

su 30 mki uses this SURA Helmet-Mounted Target Designation System (HMTDS), Is this good or not ?

http://spetstechnoexport.com/catalogues/145

SURA-I

Looks like the Chinese produce it too:

TK-14--- older helmet -- this was actually proposed by the Chinese for JF.

New Chinese HMD;

 

[Abingdonboy]

su 30 mki uses this SURA Helmet-Mounted Target Designation System (HMTDS), Is this good or not ?

http://spetstechnoexport.com/catalogues/145

I googled and found SURA HMS on MKI ; same as MIG 21 Bison

True it is used on the IAF's MiG-29Bs also (UPGs use the TopSight-I) but it isn't a true HMSD like the DASH III/TopSight which is what I thought @Stephen Cohen was asking.

It's pretty outdated but works for cueing HOBS missiles, it doesn't provide any form of situational awareness though.

BTW what about Jaguar

The DARIN III standard Jags are slated to get the TopSight-I HMSD afaik.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/cont...ay-and-motion-tracking-businesses-gentex-corp

The full color is a Thales technology.

Thanks for the info sir.

The point remains though, that for the sake of commonaility the TopSight-I makes more sense for the IAF's Rafales unless the Scorpion will be used for other IAF/IN platforms in the future (like the FGFA or AMCA or MKI). That said, te next gen platforms are likely to feature advanced HMSD similar to that found on the F-35 (interestingly though the F-22s are set to get the Scorpion).

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

The F-35 HMDS is too heavy for ejection.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The F-35 HMDS is too heavy for ejection.

It may be today but it is clearly the future of airpower and will be the norm for the next generation of aircraft (AMCA, FGFA etc) that will be devloped and in service in the coming decades.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

France do not use these kind of helmet because we want one which is under 1.3 kg with everything (night vision...etc)

1.3 kg at 11g = 14.3 kg

 

[randomradio]

What about SU 30 MKI

Which HMDS it uses

Sadly no HMSD used on the MKI as of now, the TopSight-I is the most likely to feature post the "Super" upgrade but then I have also heard that the HMSD being devlpped for the PAK-FA may be used but I have no specs or confirmation of that.

The MKI uses the Russian SURA-K.

 

[randomradio]

An old tweet from Saurav Jha

Oh and don't forget the Air force, which in the name of 2-front war is now looking to bring in not one but two imported fighters.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

An old tweet from Saurav Jha

Oh and don't forget the Air force, which in the name of 2-front war is now looking to bring in not one but two imported fighters.

We need to take a decision soon ; we are wasting time

 

[Taj_91]

The F-35 HMDS is too heavy for ejection.

Why can't just have a simple exoskeleton support from the shoulders? Will the movements get hindered? Like during ejection the support becomes rigid, that way won't hinder the pilots during normal times..

 

[randomradio]

We need to take a decision soon ; we are wasting time

The decision will be taken only in 2017 for MII.

Why can't just have a simple exoskeleton support from the shoulders? Will the movements get hindered? Like during ejection the support becomes rigid, that way won't hinder the pilots during normal times..

Exoskeletons also have weight you know.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The decision will be taken only in 2017 for MII.

And what about the First part of the deal ie 36 Rafales --Off the shelf

 

[randomradio]

And what about the First part of the deal ie 36 Rafales --Off the shelf

Next month.