Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[rockstarIN]

The best idea is to get at least 2 sdn of M2K-5s.

 

[sathya]

The best idea is to get at least 2 sdn of M2K-5s.

Probably a decade ago, not now
India haven't bought second hand fighters as far as I know..

Probable thing IAF will do, order more sukhoi s
Hope we finalize super sukhoi s faster , and get the additional squads in upgraded form


It's time IAF induct tejas , even if it's half baked for them..

 

[rockstarIN]

Probably a decade ago, not now
India haven't bought second hand fighters as far as I know..

Probable thing IAF will do, order more sukhoi s
Hope we finalize super sukhoi s faster , and get the additional squads in upgraded form


It's time IAF induct tejas , even if it's half baked for them..

We will receive updated M2k's till at least 2017-18 from France which will serve us till 2030. So whats the issue to get the same?

 

[mad_max]

Probably a decade ago, not now
India haven't bought second hand fighters as far as I know..

Probable thing IAF will do, order more sukhoi s
Hope we finalize super sukhoi s faster , and get the additional squads in upgraded form


It's time IAF induct tejas , even if it's half baked for them..

If Su30 mki availability is not improved ordering more of these wont solve the purpose , Rafale is true multirole fighter with 90% availability rate and nothing beats this order at least 200 of these to protect your nation.

 

[sathya]

We will receive updated M2k's till at least 2017-18 from France which will serve us till 2030. So whats the issue to get the same?

We don't have the habit of buying second hand fighters
+ if we buy and upgrade to indian requirements mirages will cost a lot..
Remember our upgrade deal amounting to almost 40million $ per aircraft

Advantages are training , logistics, maintenance already exists.

I think for a two mirage bought second hand we can buy single super su 30mki with AESA or 3 LCA with AESA .., don't you agree..

 

[mad_max]

Close this deal all together and buy F18 super hornet off the shelf.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Close this deal all together and buy F18 super hornet off the shelf.

trust me on this one if frenchies keep doing such things what you just said is inevitable

 

[rockstarIN]

We don't have the habit of buying second hand fighters
+ if we buy and upgrade to indian requirements mirages will cost a lot..
Remember our upgrade deal amounting to almost 40million $ per aircraft

Advantages are training , logistics, maintenance already exists.

I think for a two mirage bought second hand we can buy single super su 30mki with AESA or 3 LCA with AESA .., don't you agree..

There are already updated M2ks available, from Qatar, UAE, Greece etc. All are in good condition!

 

[sathya]

There are already updated M2ks available, from Qatar, UAE, Greece etc. All are in good condition!

Yes buddy,

I agree ' even more it's a medium category which is what needed.

Knowing how fast we procure, cost of French

 

[[Bregs]]

trust me on this one if frenchies keep doing such things what you just said is inevitable

and F18 might solve many issues in one decision will be quick in deliveries too but the point is will this happen ?

 

[rockstarIN]

Yes buddy,

I agree ' even more it's a medium category which is what needed.

Knowing how fast we procure, cost of French

Greece got 25+ Mk2 new versions, they wish to sell provided the financial conditions as well as they wants to concentrate on F-16s

 

[Hindustani78]

Rafale deal: France says no to offset, yes to Make in India - The Hindu
Updated: August 16, 2015 13:14 IST
The French government has rejected Indian negotiators’ demand for a 50 per cent offset clause citing sharp cost escalation but offered to participate in ‘Make in India’ projects to carry forward the talks for 36 Rafale fighter jets that have hit turbulence.

Defence sources said India’s insistence on the offset clause, tweaking of weaponary technology and plans to set up two bases for Rafale fighter jets would lead to cost escalation.

Offset policy was first introduced as part of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP), 2005, under which a foreign company has to invest back a portion of the deal into India.

“The 50 per cent offset clause was part of the original tender that was floated for 126 fighter jets. The French President and Indian Prime Minister have now decided to go in for a direct purchase of 36 Rafale jets. So, how can 50 per cent offset clause be asked when the French are offering the fighters at the same rate at which its Air Force is buying,” defence sources said.

They added the French have instead offered to undertake ‘Make in India’ initiatives. “The French can look at the option for making Falcon business jets in India or even the Rafales for future besides other projects,” the sources said, adding the French government has made it clear that their companies would like to be part of ‘Make in India’ initiative.

The sources said the offset clause will simply drive up the cost of each aircraft.

It is not just the offset clause that the French are worried about. Indian Air Force wants to integrate an Israeli helmet mounted display with the Rafale fighter jets besides tweaking the weaponry technology so that the aircraft can fire a missile other than what the Rafales carry. The missile, sources said is of American make.

“The changes asked for are not like changing tyres in cars. It takes time, effort and money, all of which will again drive up the cost,” the sources said.

Also, India wants to set up two bases for the 36 Rafale jets. This means twice the planned machinery, testing facilities besides others which would again jack up the prices, the sources said.

Both Qatar and Egypt, which have struck similar deals with the French government, have gone in for one base only.

“Can understand that India’s strategic needs might be different but generally two bases are needed when one has more than just two squadrons of a particular aircraft. Setting up of two bases will also cost more,” the sources said.

“The benchmark for the prices are already there since the deals with Egypt and Qatar have been struck. The price of the aircraft to India cannot be less than what the other two countries have bought it for,” the sources said.

They added that no talks have been held between the two sides in the recent past, indicating a likely stalemate.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had during his visit to France announced his decision to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets citing operational necessity of the IAF.

The announcement had come as a boost for the modernisation plan of the IAF as the original deal for 126 Rafale jets through a tendering process was stuck for years. India has constituted a committee headed by Air Marshal SBP Sinha to hold negotiations with the French.

France is offering the Rafale jets at almost the same price its Air Force is buying it from the original manufacturer Dassault Aviation.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Hindustani78

This is a positive news ; Both sides are still working out this deal

Maybe we can have a HAPPY CHRISTMAS

 

[PARIKRAMA]

They added that no talks have been held between the two sides in the recent past, indicating a likely stalemate.

@halloweene : The news posted above in post #1302 and ur post of saying Dassault lady working out modalities for Make in india manufacturing seems a bit contradictory.. You get any feeling whats really going on?
Also by any chance u know where is @sancho ? Seems he is MIA for too long.. would have loved to hear your and his good opinion on this..

 

[sathya]

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It is not just the offset clause that the French are worried about. Indian Air Force wants to integrate an Israeli helmet mounted display with the Rafale fighter jets besides tweaking the weaponry technology so that the aircraft can fire a missile other than what the Rafales carry. The missile, sources said is of American make.

“The changes asked for are not like changing tyres in cars. It takes time, effort and money, all of which will again drive up the cost,” the sources said.

Also, India wants to set up two bases for the 36 Rafale jets. This means twice the planned machinery, testing facilities besides others which would again jack up the prices, the sources said.

Both Qatar and Egypt, which have struck similar deals with the French government, have gone in for one base only.

“Can understand that India’s strategic needs might be different but generally two bases are needed when one has more than just two squadrons of a particular aircraft. Setting up of two bases will also cost more,” the sources said.

“The benchmark for the prices are already there since the deals with Egypt and Qatar have been struck. The price of the aircraft to India cannot be less than what the other two countries have bought it for,” the sources said.

They added that no talks have been held between the two sides in the recent past, indicating a likely stalemate.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had during his visit to France announced his decision to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets citing operational necessity of the IAF.

The announcement had come as a boost for the modernisation plan of the IAF as the original deal for 126 Rafale jets through a tendering process was stuck for years. India has constituted a committee headed by Air Marshal SBP Sinha to hold negotiations with the French.

France is offering the Rafale jets at almost the same price its Air Force is buying it from the original manufacturer Dassault Aviation.

This is interesting, of course why France wouldn't allow tweaking , they are set to lose weapons order , if they allow American missiles too..