Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Tipu7]

India will restrict its Rafale fleet to 36. No more 36 aircrafts are being ordered.
MMRCA 2 likely choice will be Mig35.

 

[polanski]

The French want to be paid !! Ha, how French of them with only offering tech if more orders are forthcoming.. string India along and milk that cow for as long as you can now that the French have their foot in the door.

Realty is, France and India are negotiating how to restart Kaveri program. I see this as positive signs for India to gain advanced Technology.
Russia supplied junk for 60 years. What did you get in return?

India will restrict its Rafale fleet to 36. No more 36 aircrafts are being ordered.
MMRCA 2 likely choice will be Mig35.

Hahahaha. Have you seen a guy who just bought Lamborghini, is driving a Hyundai? MiG-35 is out of question. In fact, Ruski is done and dusted for IAF.

 

[Tipu7]

Realty is, France and India are negotiating how to restart Kaveri program. I see this as positive signs for India to gain advanced Technology.
Russia supplied junk for 60 years. What did you get in return?


Hahahaha. Have you seen a guy who just bought Lamborghini, is driving a Hyundai? MiG-35 is out of question. In fact, Ruski is done and dusted for IAF.

I am quoting you words of Indian Air Cheif.
Air Forces are not cars. Their modernization approach is different.

 

[BON PLAN]

The French want to be paid !! Ha, how French of them with only offering tech if more orders are forthcoming.. string India along and milk that cow for as long as you can now that the French have their foot in the door.

Better than a not ToT F414 order, or a 33% EJ200 GB proposal.

India will restrict its Rafale fleet to 36. No more 36 aircrafts are being ordered.
MMRCA 2 likely choice will be Mig35.

LOL. Russian planes are out for the next moves.
The game is fully open for more Rafale, in a GtoG or MMRCA2 deal.

 

[Tipu7]

LOL. Russian planes are out for the next moves.
The game is fully open for more Rafale, in a GtoG or MMRCA2 deal.

No more Rafales as stated by Indian Air Chief. Only practical option in hands of IAF is Mig 35.

 

[BON PLAN]

No more Rafales as stated by Indian Air Chief. Only practical option in hands of IAF is Mig 35.

It's not the answer of IAF chief.
He answered not to a question about "a follow on order of 36 in the pipe". It's not the same Bro.

IAF will have with Rafale the same feeling than with Mirage 2000 : high perf, high reliability. They will NEVER do the same error than with Mirage 2000 : too few in squad. (just imagine the IAF with 126 more Mirage 2000 on duty, as intended. Absolutely not the same Air force).
https://indianexpress.com/article/o...-2000-to-rafale-the-story-in-between-6066380/
"It was a remarkable aircraft as was the experience. The aircraft employed technology and concepts outclassing any other that we had experienced and brought a totally new dimension to prosecuting air war."

You will see or another order of 36+ in GtoG form, or an MMRCA2 win by Rafale. It's like 1+2 = 2. Or like 2 air bases accomodated for Rafale is too many and yoo costly for just 36 planes

 

[Tipu7]

It's not the answer of IAF chief.
He answered not to a question about "a follow on order of 36 in the pipe". It's not the same Bro.

IAF will have with Rafale the same feeling than with Mirage 2000 : high perf, high reliability. They will NEVER do the same error than with Mirage 2000 : too few in squad. (just imagine the IAF with 126 more Mirage 2000 on duty, as intended. Absolutely not the same Air force).
https://indianexpress.com/article/o...-2000-to-rafale-the-story-in-between-6066380/
"It was a remarkable aircraft as was the experience. The aircraft employed technology and concepts outclassing any other that we had experienced and brought a totally new dimension to prosecuting air war."

You will see or another order of 36+ in GtoG form, or an MMRCA2 win by Rafale. It's like 1+2 = 2. Or like 2 air bases accomodated for Rafale is too many and yoo costly for just 36 planes

I have considered this possibility before which you are suggesting. Therefore I will not argue right now. Let's time to decide what will be the winner of MMRCA 2.

 

[BON PLAN]

Tejas for half the price of Rafale ????

(and third the capacity... LOL)

https://theprint.in/defence/saab-wa...t-full-tech-transfer-local-production/298778/

And no problem with contracts with PAF.... they are old.
Old? the latest was inked two years ago

 

[airmarshal]

 

[GriffinsRule]

Have to admire the French and the aesthetic qualities of their aircraft. The HD video footage is pretty nice too

 

[polanski]

Dassault Aviation Sets out ambitious plans to upgrade Rafale to F4 standard https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...on-sets-out-ambitious-rafale-f4-upgrade-path/

Have to admire the French and the aesthetic qualities of their aircraft. The HD video footage is pretty nice too

Now you know the difference between Soviet-era Su-30mki junk and modern Rafale F3R standard + ISE.

Руски мудак не знал бы, как выглядит современный самолет.

You should thanks to your current air force chief who lead the tender committee.

This is the credit to the current IAF chief for the execution of a fine deal.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...fic-enhancements-in-indian-air-forces-rafale/

 

[hembo]

3 Rafale Aircraft Handed Over To India So Far: Centre In Parliament

The planes are being used for training Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots and technicians in France, it said in a written reply in Lok Sabha.
All India | Edited by Vaibhav Tiwari (with inputs from PTI) | Updated: November 20, 2019 22:02 IST

Sripad Naik did not specify when the other two aircraft were handed over (File)


NEW DELHI:
Aviation firm Dassault has handed over three Rafale fighters to India so far, the centre said in the Lok Sabha on Wednesday. However, it clarified that they are still being kept in France as part of a training programme for Indian Air Force pilots and technicians.

"Three Rafale fighter aircraft have been handed over to the Indian Air Force (IAF) till date which are being used for training of IAF pilots and technicians in France," Minister of State for Defence Shripad Naik said in reply to a question in Lok Sabha.

Under the Rs. 59,000 crore Rafale jet deal, out of the 36 Rafale jets, the first batch of four aircraft is expected to arrive in India in May next year. The rest of the planes will arrive by September 2022.

The first Rafale aircraft, RB-001, was handed over by France to India last month. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had gone on a three-day tour to France to take part in the handover event at a facility of Dassault Aviation in the Merignac area of Bordeaux, around 590 km from Paris.

After having performed a pooja, Mr Singh had taken a 20-minute sortie in the aircraft. A French pilot had flown the customised aircraft with tail number RB-001, named after IAF chief Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria.

In his reply in Lok Sabha today, Mr Naik did not specify when the other two aircraft were handed over to India, news agency PTI reported.

Mr Naik added the price of the jets was 2.86 per cent lower than the rates finalised during negotiations for procurement.

The Congress has been alleging that the price of the aircraft has been inflated from Rs. 526 crore per unit to Rs. 1,670 crore, a charge vehemently denied by the centre.

"The performance audit report of CAG on capital acquisition in IAF presented in parliament on February 13 has brought out that the entire package price of 36 Rafale procurement is 2.86 per cent lower than the audit aligned price compared to MMRCA process," Mr Naik said.

Mr Naik also said the Indian government has not recommended any company for making the jets in India.

The Supreme Court last week rejected requests to review its clean chit to the government in the Rafale fighter jet deal, saying there was no need for a "roving inquiry" into the case.

With inputs from PTI

 

[BON PLAN]

3 Rafale Aircraft Handed Over To India So Far: Centre In Parliament

The planes are being used for training Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots and technicians in France, it said in a written reply in Lok Sabha.
All India | Edited by Vaibhav Tiwari (with inputs from PTI) | Updated: November 20, 2019 22:02 IST

Sripad Naik did not specify when the other two aircraft were handed over (File)


NEW DELHI:
Aviation firm Dassault has handed over three Rafale fighters to India so far, the centre said in the Lok Sabha on Wednesday. However, it clarified that they are still being kept in France as part of a training programme for Indian Air Force pilots and technicians.

"Three Rafale fighter aircraft have been handed over to the Indian Air Force (IAF) till date which are being used for training of IAF pilots and technicians in France," Minister of State for Defence Shripad Naik said in reply to a question in Lok Sabha.

Under the Rs. 59,000 crore Rafale jet deal, out of the 36 Rafale jets, the first batch of four aircraft is expected to arrive in India in May next year. The rest of the planes will arrive by September 2022.

The first Rafale aircraft, RB-001, was handed over by France to India last month. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had gone on a three-day tour to France to take part in the handover event at a facility of Dassault Aviation in the Merignac area of Bordeaux, around 590 km from Paris.

After having performed a pooja, Mr Singh had taken a 20-minute sortie in the aircraft. A French pilot had flown the customised aircraft with tail number RB-001, named after IAF chief Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria.

In his reply in Lok Sabha today, Mr Naik did not specify when the other two aircraft were handed over to India, news agency PTI reported.

Mr Naik added the price of the jets was 2.86 per cent lower than the rates finalised during negotiations for procurement.

The Congress has been alleging that the price of the aircraft has been inflated from Rs. 526 crore per unit to Rs. 1,670 crore, a charge vehemently denied by the centre.

"The performance audit report of CAG on capital acquisition in IAF presented in parliament on February 13 has brought out that the entire package price of 36 Rafale procurement is 2.86 per cent lower than the audit aligned price compared to MMRCA process," Mr Naik said.

Mr Naik also said the Indian government has not recommended any company for making the jets in India.

The Supreme Court last week rejected requests to review its clean chit to the government in the Rafale fighter jet deal, saying there was no need for a "roving inquiry" into the case.

With inputs from PTI

one more every month...
In May, when the planes will officially land in India, 8 planes could be there.

The first one will probably remain in France, for developpment works, and maybe 2 more to complete trainings. So 5 to 7 Rafale in India in may.



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MMRCA 2.0: Hot engine tech and AMCA Collaboration holds key to winning Worlds biggest fighter jet tender

https://idrw.org/mmrca-2-0-hot-engi...to-winning-worlds-biggest-fighter-jet-tender/

 

[RPK]

"Three Rafale fighter aircraft have been handed over to the Indian Air Force (IAF) till date which are being used for training of IAF pilots and technicians in France," Minister of State for Defence Shripad Naik said in reply to a question in Lok Sabha.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...Rgc5n9-jdsF089MhSAx7xFg1YVN27HFNEuEM_Sr7WRu7s

 

[Wrath]

"Three Rafale fighter aircraft have been handed over to the Indian Air Force (IAF) till date which are being used for training of IAF pilots and technicians in France," Minister of State for Defence Shripad Naik said in reply to a question in Lok Sabha.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...Rgc5n9-jdsF089MhSAx7xFg1YVN27HFNEuEM_Sr7WRu7s

Good luck

Hope they are maintained better