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France may offer 36 more Rafale aircraft to India
Talks on proposed deal may be held when PM Modi & President Macron meet today.
By Manu Pubby & Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | Updated: Aug 22, 2019, 08.59 AM IST

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While the 2016 deal for 36 Rafale jets was signed for €7.87 billion, sources said additional 36 aircraft would cost significantly lesser because payment for fixed costs covering India-specific enhancements, training equipment and infrastructure has already been made.
NEW DELHI: France is likely to offer additional Rafale aircraft to India during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s upcoming visit to the European country for the G-7 Summit on Thursday, sources told ET.

The French side, sources said, is set to offer an immediate sale of two more squadrons, which means 36 additional Rafale jets, to the Indian Air Force that has been grappling with depleting combat force levels. PM Modi is slated to meet French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday during which both sides will hold detailed deliberations on a range of subjects including key issues like defence and maritime cooperation
The assessment is that France may quote less than €6 billion for supplying two more squadrons. Industry sources said Dassault could work out tight delivery schedules in a way that a Rafale could be rolled out for India every month over the next six years.

The delivery of the first Rafale jet for the Indian Air Force is likely to take place on September 19, with defence minister Rajnath Singh expected to travel to France for the handing over ceremony. According to the 2016 deal, 36 jets will be delivered to India over the next three years and will be armed with advanced weaponry including the long-range Meteor airto-air missile that will outgun all fighter jets in the neighbouring region.

The Rafale jets to be delivered will also include the SCALP air-to-ground missile that has a precise target range in excess of 300 km. This would enable India to target any terror camp located within Pakistan from within its own airspace.

Senior air force officers have told ET that while the Make in India project is a good plan to augment force levels in the future, the service requires at least two more squadrons of the Rafale urgently to make up for the legacy MiG fleets that are retiring over the next few years.

The Indian fighter squadron strength currently stands at 30 but is expected to dip rapidly over the next two years as the MiG 21 and 27 series of fighters are retired from service. The official requirement of the air force is a strength of 42 squadrons.

Sources said while an expedited sale of 36 additional jets is high on the French agenda, the two sides will also discuss the prospects of the fighter jet for an upcoming competition to provide 114 fighter jets to the air force under a ‘Make in India’ project.
 
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https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...le-aircraft-to-india/articleshow/70779501.cms

France may offer 36 more Rafale aircraft to India
Talks on proposed deal may be held when PM Modi & President Macron meet today.
By Manu Pubby & Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | Updated: Aug 22, 2019, 08.59 AM IST

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BCCL
While the 2016 deal for 36 Rafale jets was signed for €7.87 billion, sources said additional 36 aircraft would cost significantly lesser because payment for fixed costs covering India-specific enhancements, training equipment and infrastructure has already been made.
NEW DELHI: France is likely to offer additional Rafale aircraft to India during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s upcoming visit to the European country for the G-7 Summit on Thursday, sources told ET.

The French side, sources said, is set to offer an immediate sale of two more squadrons, which means 36 additional Rafale jets, to the Indian Air Force that has been grappling with depleting combat force levels. PM Modi is slated to meet French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday during which both sides will hold detailed deliberations on a range of subjects including key issues like defence and maritime cooperation
The assessment is that France may quote less than €6 billion for supplying two more squadrons. Industry sources said Dassault could work out tight delivery schedules in a way that a Rafale could be rolled out for India every month over the next six years.

The delivery of the first Rafale jet for the Indian Air Force is likely to take place on September 19, with defence minister Rajnath Singh expected to travel to France for the handing over ceremony. According to the 2016 deal, 36 jets will be delivered to India over the next three years and will be armed with advanced weaponry including the long-range Meteor airto-air missile that will outgun all fighter jets in the neighbouring region.

The Rafale jets to be delivered will also include the SCALP air-to-ground missile that has a precise target range in excess of 300 km. This would enable India to target any terror camp located within Pakistan from within its own airspace.

Senior air force officers have told ET that while the Make in India project is a good plan to augment force levels in the future, the service requires at least two more squadrons of the Rafale urgently to make up for the legacy MiG fleets that are retiring over the next few years.

The Indian fighter squadron strength currently stands at 30 but is expected to dip rapidly over the next two years as the MiG 21 and 27 series of fighters are retired from service. The official requirement of the air force is a strength of 42 squadrons.

Sources said while an expedited sale of 36 additional jets is high on the French agenda, the two sides will also discuss the prospects of the fighter jet for an upcoming competition to provide 114 fighter jets to the air force under a ‘Make in India’ project.
The 2 air bases accomodated for Rafale and the indian specific developpments cost too much for just 36 planes.
At least another batch of 36 is on the agenda, for sure.
 
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Dassault Rafale is the best IAF could have right now. It's a asset of IAF. Once India upgrades Rafale F3R to F4 standard then it would have capability to have punch on J-20. RBE2 will be upgraded and replaced by latest generation by 2025.

https://exoatmospheric.wordpress.com/2019/08/29/dassault-rafale-a-true-omnirole-combat-aircraft/

In my opinion, IAF should stop upgrading Sukhoi and spend that money on F-16V and Rafale. Then start building indigenous fifth gen fighter jet or join forces with Franco-German or British-Swedish six gen project.
 
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"Over the last five years, Gripen, Rafale and Typhoon fighters have come to the Red Flag air combat exercises in Alaska to be matched up against US aircraft. With their advanced electronic warfare suites and superior data links, the Gripen and Rafale fighters had no problem in locating the F-22s and remaining undetected by everything but powerful radar scans, which would have led to the destruction of the radar-emitting aircraft by the radar-homing Meteor missile. F-22 pilots reported these smaller fighters were upon them within-visual-range before the F-22’s vaunted electronics suite could detect them. The smaller Gripen was within gun-fighting range before being detected. F-22 pilots were forced to go vertical to escape most of the time using their huge Pratt and Whitney engines at full afterburner which is not a good technique against even an average pilot with heat-seeking missiles. The 2015 Red Flag Alaska was highlighted by one German Typhoon recording three kills against F-22s. And that is with the Typhoon not being allowed to use its infrared-search-and-track under the rules of the engagement."

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=cafb27be-b52e-4614-aa64-f2782942aeca&subId=407837
 
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Just found this pic posted on this forum's facebook page. Why does someone for PAC Kamra have a Rafale emblem on his name tag?

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Didnt the IAF claim that no Pakistani pilots or engineers ever had access to Qatari Rafales? So can someone explain this please?
 
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The Pak Top Guns with international recognitions having IAF war trophies from the previous Indo-Pak wars have publicly stated that Rafaels will fail to block History from repeating and rippling itself regarding PAF’s “shoot first and kill, and count later” trends....

Pakistan Air Force has the first shoot capability - Air Commodore (R) Syed Sajad Haider
 
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Just found this pic posted on this forum's facebook page. Why does someone for PAC Kamra have a Rafale emblem on his name tag?

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Didnt the IAF claim that no Pakistani pilots or engineers ever had access to Qatari Rafales? So can someone explain this please?
it may be a fake news.
A photoshop inserted image....
 
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India to receive first Rafale fighter jet in September
1 min read . 23 Aug 2019IANS
  • The first Rafale fighter jet will be handed over to India in September, French President Emmanuel Macron said in Paris
  • PM Modi expressed hope for greater defence cooperation between India and France in the future
Rafale fighter jet

New Delhi: The first Rafale fighter jet will be handed over to India in September, French President Emmanuel Macron said in Paris on Thursday during the course of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to his country.

Modi is currently on a three-nation tour and landed in France on Thursday.

"We have expressed our condolences for what happened in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama on February 14, 2019. We will continue to work together on terrorism. Our ties in the defence sector show how much we trust each other. We have also affirmed that we will help in 'Make in India' and the first Rafale aircraft will reach India by next month," said Macron.

India has signed an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) with France for purchase of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft from the French aviation major Dassault.

As per sources, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and Air Chief B.S. Dhanoa are likely to visit France in the third week of September to receive the first jet of the 36 aircraft.

Prime Minister expressed hope for greater defence cooperation between India and France in the future.

"India offers great opportunities for French companies. There is scope for immense cooperation in skill development, aviation, IT and space. The strides made in India-France defence cooperation are promising. Our nations are also working on maritime as well as cyber security," tweeted Modi.
 
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Congrats Indian Air Force for successful acquisition of Rafale F3 standard with ISE fighter aircraft. India will embark on a new era of advanced fighter aircraft on September 2019. I hope that Rafale will end any future opportunities to work on Sukhoi project at HAL. Let Mahindra, TASL and Adani take the lead. I personally see TASL will potentially become Indian aerospace giant. I can feel that IAF may order additional Rafale soon.
https://exoatmospheric.wordpress.co...eadies-airbase-to-welcome-rafale-fighter-jet/
 
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Nopes, it's actually a video grab, here again the patch is visible with the Rafale Silhouette.

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Yes, but the plane in the workshop is not a Rafale (a mirage 3 ? see the bulb under the nose). The writing on the crane, in english, indicate this workshop is not a french one.
This pilot may have a single flight in a Rafale. That doesn't mean he knows the frequency of the radar, the real NEZ of the MICA, the real perf of SPETRA....
 
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Yes, but the plane in the workshop is not a Rafale (a mirage 3 ? see the bulb under the nose). The writing on the crane, in english, indicate this workshop is not a french one.
This pilot may have a single flight in a Rafale. That doesn't mean he knows the frequency of the radar, the real NEZ of the MICA, the real perf of SPETRA....
These pics and video were taken in Mirage Rebuilt Factory of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex .... the person in the pic is one of the Engineers (not the pilot) of Mirage Rebuilt Factory

No one is claiming that the plane in background in both pics and video is a Rafale jet, or the pic is taken in France, or the Person have flown Rafale jet ..... so you are getting it all wrong .....

All what Pakistani posters are doing is to try to understand/explore the probable connection of this engineer with Dassault and/or with Rafale jet based on silhouette
 
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Yes, but the plane in the workshop is not a Rafale (a mirage 3 ? see the bulb under the nose). The writing on the crane, in english, indicate this workshop is not a french one.
This pilot may have a single flight in a Rafale. That doesn't mean he knows the frequency of the radar, the real NEZ of the MICA, the real perf of SPETRA....
You have got the whole terminology wrong.......no one claimed that the picture was taken in any French facility, nor that it's a Rafale in the picture....or the person is a pilot.......Basically the picture is from Mirage Rebuild Facility in Pakistan and that is a Pakistani Engineer supporting the Rafale patch, which makes it all the more interesting.
 
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