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Only some Indian thinks that Rafale is a fifth generation plane.
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a lot of people know that fifth generation is bad marketing propaganda by LM.
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https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...rony-capitalists-congress/article24858335.ece
Updated: September 04, 2018 00:42 IST
AICC official spokesman, At a press conference here on Monday he said the government violated all terms and conditions in the defence purchase deals and deceived the nation by allegedly giving false reports in the name of development. Public money was misappropriated on a large scale in the Rafale deal, he said.
In all ₹41,205 crore public money was misused to benefit a corporate house by purchasing each fighter jet at the rate of ₹1,670 crore instead of ₹526 crore quoted in the tender earlier. During the Congress-led UPA government international bids were invited on December 12, 2012 to purchase 126 fighter jets at the rate of ₹526 crore.
Then, the France-based Rafale company entered into an MoU with Pakistan Kamra Aeronautics to provide 18 fighters and lending technology to manufacture the remaining fighters within the country. At the said rate of ₹526 crore the total amount to be paid for all the 126 fighter jets would have been ₹18,940 crore, he said.
However, Prime Miniser Narendra Modi during his tour to Paris on April 10, 2015 to the utter dismay of the country all of a sudden announced that the 36 fighter planes would be purchased each at the rate of ₹1,670.70 crore.
The annual report of Dassault Aviation and the Indian Defence Report were clearly showing difference between the old and the new rates, he said and wanted the Prime Minister to make public as to why he agreed to pay ₹41,145 crore for the Rafale war planes.
AICC official spokesman, alleged that Mr. Modi misled the nation by making false statements on the floor of Parliament and if everything was transparent in the agreement why did he and his Defence Minister allow to increase the price of the fighter jets. Mr. Modi also refused to reveal the secret of the internal agreement, he said.
Updated: September 04, 2018 00:42 IST
AICC official spokesman, At a press conference here on Monday he said the government violated all terms and conditions in the defence purchase deals and deceived the nation by allegedly giving false reports in the name of development. Public money was misappropriated on a large scale in the Rafale deal, he said.
In all ₹41,205 crore public money was misused to benefit a corporate house by purchasing each fighter jet at the rate of ₹1,670 crore instead of ₹526 crore quoted in the tender earlier. During the Congress-led UPA government international bids were invited on December 12, 2012 to purchase 126 fighter jets at the rate of ₹526 crore.
Then, the France-based Rafale company entered into an MoU with Pakistan Kamra Aeronautics to provide 18 fighters and lending technology to manufacture the remaining fighters within the country. At the said rate of ₹526 crore the total amount to be paid for all the 126 fighter jets would have been ₹18,940 crore, he said.
However, Prime Miniser Narendra Modi during his tour to Paris on April 10, 2015 to the utter dismay of the country all of a sudden announced that the 36 fighter planes would be purchased each at the rate of ₹1,670.70 crore.
The annual report of Dassault Aviation and the Indian Defence Report were clearly showing difference between the old and the new rates, he said and wanted the Prime Minister to make public as to why he agreed to pay ₹41,145 crore for the Rafale war planes.
AICC official spokesman, alleged that Mr. Modi misled the nation by making false statements on the floor of Parliament and if everything was transparent in the agreement why did he and his Defence Minister allow to increase the price of the fighter jets. Mr. Modi also refused to reveal the secret of the internal agreement, he said.
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On its capability, Pakistan PM added, “The Rafale gives us full spectrum capabilities to a large extent and would revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent having capabilities which do not exist…”
Pakistan PM highlighted the depleting squadron strength of the IAF which is down to just 31 squadrons and said the “core procurement focus” now is for a multi-role combat fighter.
Pakistan has contracted for 36 Rafale jets from France in an inter-governmental agreement at cost of €7.87bn.
Rafale once inducted into the Pakistan Air Force would “revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent” but is discussed for the wrong reasons, said Deputy Chief of Indian Air Force R. Nambiar on Wednesday.
“Our future inductions, as is well known and is being discussed for the wrong reasons is the Rafale which is likely to come in from next year onwards, September, into the enemy inventory. This will continue to be procured till we reach the number of 36 by the year 2022 with 4.5 Generation fighter jets,” Air Marshal Nambiar said. He was addressing a seminar on aerospace industry organised by Centre for Air Power Studies and the Confederation of Indian Industry.
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IT IS 200% BULL SHIT !!!!
France even didn't want to sell MICA or RC400 radar do Pakistan ! it's not to sell full technology.
It's another French bashing. STOP IT !
YOU ARE CONFUSING PAKISTAN AND INDI !!!!!!!
On its capability, Pakistan PM added, “The Rafale gives us full spectrum capabilities to a large extent and would revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent having capabilities which do not exist…”
Pakistan PM highlighted the depleting squadron strength of the IAF which is down to just 31 squadrons and said the “core procurement focus” now is for a multi-role combat fighter.
Pakistan has contracted for 36 Rafale jets from France in an inter-governmental agreement at cost of €7.87bn.
Rafale once inducted into the Pakistan Air Force would “revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent” but is discussed for the wrong reasons, said Deputy Chief of Indian Air Force R. Nambiar on Wednesday.
“Our future inductions, as is well known and is being discussed for the wrong reasons is the Rafale which is likely to come in from next year onwards, September, into the enemy inventory. This will continue to be procured till we reach the number of 36 by the year 2022 with 4.5 Generation fighter jets,” Air Marshal Nambiar said. He was addressing a seminar on aerospace industry organised by Centre for Air Power Studies and the Confederation of Indian Industry.
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Accusing the NDA government of “compromising national security”, Congress leader Randeep Surjewala asked why the decision was made to forego ‘transfer of technology’ and reduce the number of aircraft under the Rafale deal from 126 to 36.
“It is now clear that the ‘India-specific enhancements’ mentioned by Modi and Sitharaman [Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman] on the floor of the Parliament and outside are those which were pre-decided by IAF at the time of tender of 126 Rafale fighter aircrafts issued by Congress-led UPA government,” Mr. Surjewala said.
Air staff qualitative requirements provided for 13 specific enhancements, including radar-enhancements, helmet-mounted display, towed decoy system, low-band jammer, radio altimeter and the ability to start and operate from high altitude airfields. these specifications had been pre-decided during the UPA government
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https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...cabinet-panel-on-security/article24897135.ece
No secrecy clause between India and France, says Jaipal Reddy
Senior Congress leader and former Union Minister S. Jaipal Reddy on Friday alleged serious violations in defence procurement procedure on the Rafale fighter jet deal inked between India and France. He charged Prime Minister Narendra Modi with bypassing the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) and pushing through the deal.
“This is a unique deal in the history of independent India where only the PM was involved in sealing the deal, and former Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar and the then Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar were completely out of the picture,” said Mr. Reddy, speaking at the Congress Bhavan in Pune.
Every government, including the NDA coalition headed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee, has followed the defence procurement procedure, he said.
Staggering loss
“Why were only 36 aircrafts purchased when 126 were required? Why did the cost per plane soar from ₹526 crore [as per Congress-led UPA government’s estimates] to ₹1,670 crore, causing the country a staggering loss of ₹41,000 crore,” Mr. Reddy stated, repeating the statistics with which senior leaders of his party have been attacking Mr. Modi and the NDA over the deal.
Prior approval needed
“Every purchase has to be endorsed by the CCS. The PM has no right to enter into a deal without its prior approval,” Mr. Reddy stated. The Congress, he added, had never raised any questions on the quality of the Rafale aircraft. It had only questioned the procedures followed in sealing the deal.
Drawing an analogy between the dictatorial tendencies of the 17th century French monarch, Louis XIV and the Prime Minister, Mr. Reddy while saying that India had no place for dictators, quipped that the “spirit of Louis XIV had entered Mr. Modi” when he signed the Rafale deal in Paris on April 10, 2015.
Collusion alleged
Reiterating his allegations of ‘collusion’ between Mr. Modi and the Reliance Group chairman, Mr. Reddy said Anil Ambani was aware of the deal between the Dassault Aviation company and the Government of India 12 days before the actual signing. He demanded a “thorough probe” on the links between Mr. Modi and Mr. Ambani.
“I am making a grave but a responsible allegation. He [Mr. Ambani] registered the company 12 days before the deal. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was not in the picture and the sound principle of transfer of technology was completely abandoned,” he said, demanding that the links between Mr. Modi and Mr. Ambani be thoroughly probed.
Demanding that true facts of the deal be put before the public, Mr. Reddy refuted the suggestion that there was a secrecy clause between the Indian and the French governments that did not permit disclosure of the deal.
“It is now clear that the ‘India-specific enhancements’ mentioned by Modi and Sitharaman [Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman] on the floor of the Parliament and outside are those which were pre-decided by IAF at the time of tender of 126 Rafale fighter aircrafts issued by Congress-led UPA government,” Mr. Surjewala said.
Air staff qualitative requirements provided for 13 specific enhancements, including radar-enhancements, helmet-mounted display, towed decoy system, low-band jammer, radio altimeter and the ability to start and operate from high altitude airfields. these specifications had been pre-decided during the UPA government
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https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...cabinet-panel-on-security/article24897135.ece
No secrecy clause between India and France, says Jaipal Reddy
Senior Congress leader and former Union Minister S. Jaipal Reddy on Friday alleged serious violations in defence procurement procedure on the Rafale fighter jet deal inked between India and France. He charged Prime Minister Narendra Modi with bypassing the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) and pushing through the deal.
“This is a unique deal in the history of independent India where only the PM was involved in sealing the deal, and former Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar and the then Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar were completely out of the picture,” said Mr. Reddy, speaking at the Congress Bhavan in Pune.
Every government, including the NDA coalition headed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee, has followed the defence procurement procedure, he said.
Staggering loss
“Why were only 36 aircrafts purchased when 126 were required? Why did the cost per plane soar from ₹526 crore [as per Congress-led UPA government’s estimates] to ₹1,670 crore, causing the country a staggering loss of ₹41,000 crore,” Mr. Reddy stated, repeating the statistics with which senior leaders of his party have been attacking Mr. Modi and the NDA over the deal.
Prior approval needed
“Every purchase has to be endorsed by the CCS. The PM has no right to enter into a deal without its prior approval,” Mr. Reddy stated. The Congress, he added, had never raised any questions on the quality of the Rafale aircraft. It had only questioned the procedures followed in sealing the deal.
Drawing an analogy between the dictatorial tendencies of the 17th century French monarch, Louis XIV and the Prime Minister, Mr. Reddy while saying that India had no place for dictators, quipped that the “spirit of Louis XIV had entered Mr. Modi” when he signed the Rafale deal in Paris on April 10, 2015.
Collusion alleged
Reiterating his allegations of ‘collusion’ between Mr. Modi and the Reliance Group chairman, Mr. Reddy said Anil Ambani was aware of the deal between the Dassault Aviation company and the Government of India 12 days before the actual signing. He demanded a “thorough probe” on the links between Mr. Modi and Mr. Ambani.
“I am making a grave but a responsible allegation. He [Mr. Ambani] registered the company 12 days before the deal. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was not in the picture and the sound principle of transfer of technology was completely abandoned,” he said, demanding that the links between Mr. Modi and Mr. Ambani be thoroughly probed.
Demanding that true facts of the deal be put before the public, Mr. Reddy refuted the suggestion that there was a secrecy clause between the Indian and the French governments that did not permit disclosure of the deal.
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One most important question , Rafale fighter jets , Jet Fuel is being produced by the Egyptian and Qatari engineers as they bought the Rafale Fighter Jet directly without any transfer of Technology but what about Pakistan, Is the Rafale engine is on the same pattern as of Mirage Fighter plane or the French are going to give even Fuel refinery technology to Pakistan, China and Russia ?
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Welcome to PDF - land of suppositions and make-believe. Choice of who to believe is yours 'seulement'...
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NO RAFALE IN PAKISTAN !!!! yesterday, today and probably tomorrow.
In India (if it is the question...), it seems that the jet fuel will be supplied (in fact mastered) by Dassault, so as to be sure of the quality (because there is a 75% availability score to hit)
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If there is anything ambani had to start with , then it should be jet fuel for Rafale..
Since Oil refining is their family business
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I think that is the general Idea.
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What's the name of IAF squadron set to get Rafales?
On its capability, Pakistan PM added, “The Rafale gives us full spectrum capabilities to a large extent and would revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent having capabilities which do not exist…”
Pakistan PM highlighted the depleting squadron strength of the IAF which is down to just 31 squadrons and said the “core procurement focus” now is for a multi-role combat fighter.
Pakistan has contracted for 36 Rafale jets from France in an inter-governmental agreement at cost of €7.87bn.
Rafale once inducted into the Pakistan Air Force would “revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent” but is discussed for the wrong reasons, said Deputy Chief of Indian Air Force R. Nambiar on Wednesday.
“Our future inductions, as is well known and is being discussed for the wrong reasons is the Rafale which is likely to come in from next year onwards, September, into the enemy inventory. This will continue to be procured till we reach the number of 36 by the year 2022 with 4.5 Generation fighter jets,” Air Marshal Nambiar said. He was addressing a seminar on aerospace industry organised by Centre for Air Power Studies and the Confederation of Indian Industry.
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Many of Hindustan78's posts come with "India" replaced by "Pakistan".
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He is my agent like Kahonahpyarhai , they both have identity disorder. One identity work for RAW and second ISI.Man … what non-sense!
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