Lord Of Gondor
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Yes,
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The Modi opposition started its fire too early.
The Rafale deal seemed a too easy target...
Now IAF (and the government) are starting the counter fire, and opposition will be in a weak and inconfortable situation. Well done Modi.
On its capability, Pakistan PM added, “The Rafale gives us full spectrum capabilities to a large extent and would revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent having capabilities which do not exist…”
Pakistan PM highlighted the depleting squadron strength of the IAF which is down to just 31 squadrons and said the “core procurement focus” now is for a multi-role combat fighter.
Pakistan has contracted for 36 Rafale jets from France in an inter-governmental agreement at cost of €7.87bn.
Rafale once inducted into the Pakistan Air Force would “revolutionise airpower in our sub-continent” but is discussed for the wrong reasons, said Deputy Chief of Indian Air Force R. Nambiar on Wednesday.
“Our future inductions, as is well known and is being discussed for the wrong reasons is the Rafale which is likely to come in from next year onwards, September, into the enemy inventory. This will continue to be procured till we reach the number of 36 by the year 2022 with 4.5 Generation fighter jets,” Air Marshal Nambiar said. He was addressing a seminar on aerospace industry organised by Centre for Air Power Studies and the Confederation of Indian Industry.
We are not going to buy a single engine jet... HAL Tejas will take care of that... Mk1 is operational in IAF, Mk1A will be their... plus, completely new jet based on Tejas' design, currently called Mk2... incorporating the technology received from Europe or US along with jet deal...
Try to join dots...
UPA 2 out of power... Modi became PM... price renegotiation started... French thought that they are dealing with corrupt UPA but were shocked to see India pushing for lesser price... EF consortium smells the opportunity... they decided to iron out the shortcomings of last bid and offered decreased price and LONG TERM maintenance cost, TOT (nature unknown)... Back channel negotiators asks for few NUKE CAPABLE EFs too... red flag by two consortium countries... India bought 36 Rafale with INDIA SPECIFIC ENHANCEMENTS AND WEAPON PACKAGE...
Point given for just 36 jets... we don't have money nor need of 126 jets... Deal Signed...
IAF says they URGENTLY need 100+ jets and it is A CRITICAL requirement... NEW TENDER floated... EF and Rafale are almost ready with new bids clearing the ambiguity on TOT from last deal...
Now, Rahul meets a leading defense manufacturer in USA... deal struck... He start questioning the Rafale deal knowing that government cannot disclose the details as it is not in NATIONAL INTEREST... still acted like political HITMAN...
NEW procurement process slowed down...
NOW, everything (in case of 110 jets and further development of Tejas) depends upon 2019 elections... If congress makes the goverment, it will be F-18 or F-16 (very minuscule chance)... IF BJP wins, EF or Rafale, whichever provide best deal and TOT... F-18 won't win untill we receive some 5th gen tech along with it...
And this is based on my discussion with a Tea Vendor near raksha mantralaya...
Just in case if you want some links... to cross check the STORY...
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...36-rafales-no-need-for-126/article7268264.ece
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...crore-in-rafale-deal/articleshow/61760997.cms
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...er-looks-to-swoop-in/articleshow/46545976.cms
Had the UPA not attacked the Rafale deal, then the possibility of 90 more Rafales for MII would have become real. Now we are stuck with the tender.
He is my agent like Kahonahpyarhai , they both have identity disorder. One identity work for RAW and second ISI.
I want that weed you are smoking.
In a maze of posts, yours was a wonderful reply. Appreciate itWhat is a fifth generation plane ?
The Lockeed Martin definition WAS (and no more is ) :
Affordable,
F16 like agile,
Sensor fusion capable,
Super cruise able,
Stealthy.
What is the status of F35 ? :
affordable? not really. The actual plane have to received heavy upgrade to be fully capable.
F16 agile : NO. definitively no. F35 was smashhed by a twin seater F16 with 2 external tanks...
Sensor fusion : May be. The system is not certified so far to fire a moving target on the ground.
Super cruise : NO.
Stealthy : Yes.
Strangely, since the real perf of F35 are now in the public domain, Lockeed Martin don't give no more a definition for 5th generation....
Take the rafale : Affordable? not really. F16 like agile : Yes. Sensor fusion : Yes. Super cruise : Yes. Stealthy? partially.
Su 57 variant FGFA take into account this fact. Right now in Asia, there is little to challenge capabilities of Dassault's product and with its astonishing range of abilities, i don't think India needs to worry about J 20 right now.
So irrespective of what Indian opposition political parties believe or what arms lobby and its dealer wish to create a paranoia, IAF would add more Rafales.
& correctly so.
Had the UPA not attacked the Rafale deal, then the possibility of 90 more Rafales for MII would have become real. Now we are stuck with the tender.
Quantity is another face of quality. We may not worry about J20 but they will field it in numbers much larger than our meager fleet. Their C4I is better than us. Rafale might be a better plane but trust me it’s not cheap to maintain too. I would encourage you to see Rafale the making video in Amazon prime. The French them market it as Rolls Royce!!
NDA was not going to buy Rafale in its first tenure anyway as a practice we buy once we are comfortable with something. The other Rafale will definitely come. MII is fat dream now. Hail Tejas!
It's the truth.Indian Air Force's Rafale cost £91.9 millions per aircraft according to NDTV news online. This is a baseline price with no Indian modifications