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Modi orders 36 'ready-to-fly' French-made Rafale fighter jets
French Defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, Indian PM Narendra Modi, French President Francois Hollande, Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo and Foreign Affairs minister Laurent Fabius smile as they talk on a "bateau mouche" boat on the Seine River in Paris. -AFP
PARIS: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Friday he had ordered 36 “ready-to-fly” French-made Rafale fighter jets to modernise his country's ageing warplane fleet as neighbouring states upgraded their military hardware.

Indian military officials have warned that their air force risks a major capability gap opening up with China and Pakistan without new western warplanes or if local defence contractors cannot produce what the military needs in a timely manner.

“I have asked President (Francois Hollande) to supply 36 ready-to-fly Rafale jets to India,” Modi said at a news conference on the first day of a state visit to France.

“Our civil servants will discuss (terms and conditions) in more detail and continue the negotiations,” he said, speaking in Hindi through an interpreter.

The deal, another boost for French manufacturer Dassault Aviation after it sealed its long-awaited first export deal to Egypt in February, could be worth about 4 billion euros.

Know more: India, France say will press ahead with Rafale deal

President Hollande said Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian would travel to India soon to finalise the deal. India and France have already been in exclusive negotiations for three years. The value of a larger 126-plane deal being negotiated is estimated to have grown to about $20 billion from an initial $12 billion, primarily because of an Indian requirement that 108 of the jets be built in the country.

A French defence ministry source said the deal announced on Friday was separate from the original negotiations and came about after new Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar indicated the country's urgent requirements. “We informed them we were ready to respond to their operational needs separate from the tender under discussion for three years,” the source said.

India's military has said it needs to start replacing its ageing jet fleet from 2017.

“There was a real operational need because India needs combat jets because a certain number of countries have been equipping themselves, so there was a desire to speed up the process,” Dassault Chief Executive Eric Trappier told Europe 1 radio.

The country already has previous ties with Dassault, having bought Mirage 2000 fighter jets. In March, Dassault delivered two modernised Mirage jets to India.

Analysts say Dassault's deal with Egypt may have helped break the logjam in negotiations with other customers, since they are now on notice that if they want to have Rafales they may have to wait for them.

Once persona non grata in Europe, Indian Premier Narendra Modi was welcomed with open arms in Paris on Friday as he kicks off his maiden visit to the continent to woo investors to his fast-growing economy.

'Jobs for the young'

“It's not a coincidence that France is the first country that I am visiting as part of my first official trip to Europe,” Modi told French daily Le Figaro before his arrival, pointing to cooperation in a number of sectors such as space, nuclear energy and defence.

“Just like in the nuclear sector, defence cooperation is a key part of our traditional ties with France,” he added.

French nuclear giant Areva is still awaiting the go-ahead to install six reactors in India's western state of Maharashtra, five years after a bilateral civil nuclear accord.

A French diplomatic source said agreements would be signed in the “renewable energy, sustainable cities, transport and cultural sectors”.

After a two-day whistle-stop tour that will take him from northern to southern France — with a short breather to take in the Paris sights on a river boat — Modi will jet off to Germany. He will end his trip further afield in Canada, home to a large Indian diaspora.
 
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That's it then

36 Rafale in fly away condition direct from france between NOW & END OF 2017

and then ink deal for license production of 108 more rafales in india as planned from 2019-2026

144 rafale FIGHTERS MMRCA nice FLEET AND HUGE UPLIFT IN CAPABILITY

And even we should try to see from French side. how many Rafales are being produced in one year ?

India's Rafale jet deal separate from talks on bigger order: source| Reuters
(Reuters) - India's purchase of 36 French-made Rafale jets unveiled on Friday is not part of a larger order still being negotiated between the two countries, a French defense ministry source said.

The purchase of the Dassault Aviation planes, announced by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi during a visit to Paris, remains "separate from the tender under discussion for three years," the source said.

The value of the larger 126-plance deal being negotiated is estimated to have grown to about $20 billion from an initial $12 billion, primarily because of an Indian requirement that 108 of the jets be built in the country.

(Reporting By John Irish; editing by Laurence Frost)
 
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Full text of the section in the India-France joint statement on India's 36 flyaway Rafales proposal.




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Effectively, the total number of Rafales being negotiated now is 144: 36 (Flyaway) + 108 (Original number to be license-built by HAL.

India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly away shape, HAL to build 108 after technology transfer

Paris: Marking a breakthrough in the protracted talks in the French Rafale jet deal, Prime Minister Narendra Moditoday announced that India will purchase 36 of these fighter planes that are ready to fly, citing critical operational requirement of the IAF.

The announcement was made by Modi at a joint news conference with French President Francois Hollange after their summit talks at Elysee palace.


Prime Minister Narendra Modi with the French President Francois Hollande, in Paris on 10 April 2015. Image courtesy PIB

India and France were locked in negotiations for three years over the purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets valued at $12 billion but has been bogged down over cost and Dassault Aviation's reluctance to stand guarantee for 108 planes to be made by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited(HAL).

"Keeping in mind critical operational necessity of fighter jets in India, I have talked to him(Hollande) and requested for 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition as quickly as possible under government-to-government deal," Modi said.

An agreement on proceeding forward on the stalled nuclear project in Jaitapur in Maharashtra was among the 17 pacts signed after the talks between Modi and Hollande.

The Jaitapur project, where French company Areva is to set up six nuclear reactors with total power generation capacity of about 10,000 MW, is stuck for long because of differences over the cost of electricity to be generated.

The agreement between India's Larsen and Toubro and France's AREVA is aimed at cost reduction by increasing localisation, to improve financial viability of Jaitapur project.

Another pact related to Pre-engineering agreementsbetween NPCIL and AREVA in connection with studies that is intended to bring clarity on all technical aspects of the plant so that all parties(AREVA, ALSTOM and NPCIL) can firm up their price and optimise all provisions for risks still included at this stage in the costs of the project.

It will also enable transfer of technology and development of indigenous nuclear energy industry in India.

France also informed India of its decision to implement a scheme for expedited 48 hours visa issuance for Indian tourists.

"There is no such sphere where India and France are not cooperating. France is among India's most valued friend," Modi said.

France also announced an investment of €2 billion (about $1 billion) in India as Modi invited French
companies to pump in money in technology in the fastest growing economy.

France will invest 2 billion euros in India, Hollande announced at a CEO forum here.

Inviting French investors, Modi said, "There is no bigger market than India. It is also the fastest growing economy since the last six months. Various rating agencies like World Bank and Moodys have said in one voice that India is the fastest growing nation.

"It is rare to find a country with a market, with the government determined on development and demographic dividend. Investors are usually worried about the security of intellectual property (IP). Only democracies like India can guarantee that," he said.

Addressing a CEOs forum, Hollande said: "We are ready to allocate through French companies 2 billion euros to support India's sustainable development."

He said France will partner India in Urban development of infrastructure like railways and defence and nuclear sector.

Noting that President Hollande has supported 'Make in India' initiative especially in defence sector, Modi said at the joint news conference that the two countries have decided that the Rafale jets will be provided to India in modified terms and conditions.

"Today, we have taken defence cooperation between India and France to new levels."

"I had very good talks with President Hollande. Our defence sector ties are old. In defence equipment and
technology. France has always been a reliable supplier. From fighter jets to submarines, our ties have been foremost," he said.

Modi said that in the area of Nuclear power, France has been a major partner with India.

"I am happy that in Jaitapur, we have made progress on setting up 6 nuclear power projects. Both have signed an agreement on reducing the cost of power production and more technical support and further study.

Especially, Areva and L&T have signed an agreement for making forgings in India. I feel this agreement is very significant and will be a perfect example of 'Make in India' and will take India to a new place in the area of advance technology." he said.

On other issues, Modi noted that there is a challenging atmosphere in the world and that there is turbulence in different areas due to which all are affected. "In this changing world, there are a number of uncertain questions on tability."

"Terrorism is spreading and taking new shapes. This challenge is being tackled in different forms and to tackle that an extensive strategy is to be evolved. Be it Paris or Mumbai, India and France have understood each other," Modi said.

The prime minister said it is the responsibility of every nation to lend support in the fight against terror and not allow terror groups to take shelter and punish the terrorists as soon as possible.

"India and France similarly views these challenges and that is why we will further strengthen our security ties," he said.

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India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly away shape, HAL to build 108 after technology transfer - Firstpost




Explained: Taking off

Deviating from the ongoing negotiations with French defence major Dassault Aviation, India on Friday directly asked France to supply 36 Rafale fighter jets instead of 18 in fly-away condition. While the announcement during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ongoing visit to France set the ball rolling for IAF, which has been in desperate need of fighter jets, ambiguity continues over the legalities and the number of aircraft in the multi-billion deal. Pranav Kulkarni explains

What does this announcement mean?
Going by the statement, India and France have now agreed to sign an inter-governmental agreement for supply of aircraft on terms that would be “better than conveyed by Dassault Aviation” as part of the separate process underway. This indicates that India and France will now be dealing with the contract on a government-to-government (G-to-G) basis. Prima facie, it also marks a success for India which has been negotiating hard for lower price and maintenance besides other aspects of the contract.

How is this different from the original proposal?
The original proposal involved buying 18 aircraft from Dassault in fly-away condition while the rest 108 were to be manufactured in India under transfer of technology by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). According to the statement, the number of aircraft to be purchased in fly-away condition has increased to 36. The cost of the 36 aircraft is now pegged at nearly 4 billion Euros. What has also changed is that instead of negotiating with Dassault, the project is now a G-to-G deal.

What happens to the role of HAL?
As per the defence procurement procedure, every contract costing more than Rs 300 crore has an offset obligation of 30 per cent. This means that the manufacturer has to dispose of contracts worth 30 per cent of the cost of the contract to Indian industry. In case of MMRCA, the government had increased offset obligation to 50 per cent which benefitted the Indian industry. Going just by the statement, ambiguity continues over the offset obligation. The role of HAL is also not clear. The contract, in its earlier form, fitted well in the government’s Make in India slogan but now it remains to be seen as to how the government involves Indian industry in the deal.

When will the aircraft be delivered?
The government has clearly told France that the aircraft will have to be delivered in “time frame compatible with the operational requirement of IAF”. India has also asked the French government to deliver “the same configuration” that has been tested and approved by IAF. Ideally, as per the original terms, the first 18 aircraft were to be delivered within three years of signing the contract. With changed numbers, the timeframe may change.

How critical is the contract for IAF?
Very important. The IAF first expressed interest in the MMRCA in 2001. The Request for Proposal was issued in 2007 and from among six contenders-the Russian MiG-35, American F/A-18 Super Hornet, Swedish Saab Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and French Dassault Rafale, the final two contenders — Rafale and Typhoon were shortlisted and Rafale was declared lowest bidder in January 2012. From stipulated strength of 42, the IAF is now down to 34 operational squadrons. While a few of its legacy aircraft such as Mirage 2000, Jaguars have been upgraded, others need immediate replacement. The Rafales will thus fill the gap between the yet-to-be inducted LCA Tejas and the frontline Sukhoi fighter jets.

But why the delay? Is 36 sufficient to fill the number of squadrons?
No, 36 will be sufficient to create just two squadrons, whereas 126 were to create nearly six squadrons. The clarity on the further agreement will unveil how the IAF plans to meet its operational squadron strength. Meanwhile, Reuters quoted Modi as saying in France that, “the civil servants will discuss the contract in more detail and continue negotiations.” The delay in the contract in the recent past was primarily due to disagreement between Indian Ministry of Defence and Dassault over the guarantee of aircraft manufactured by HAL. While Dassault was reluctant to take responsibility of aircraft manufactured by HAL, India wanted Dassault to take guarantee of the 108 aircraft to be manufactured by HAL. In February, the two sides clarified that all differences have been sorted out.

Explained: Taking off | The Indian Express
 
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How is this different from the original proposal?
The original proposal involved buying 18 aircraft from Dassault in fly-away condition while the rest 108 were to be manufactured in India under transfer of technology by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). According to the statement, the number of aircraft to be purchased in fly-away condition has increased to 36. The cost of the 36 aircraft is now pegged at nearly 4 billion Euros. What has also changed is that instead of negotiating with Dassault, the project is now a G-to-G deal.


Explained: Taking off | The Indian Express


The bold part holds something very interesting that we should not overlook.... the deal is pegged to the Euro; which is a falling currency vis-a-vis the INR.

When L1 was declared, the Euro was about 1:100 INR; now the Euro is 1:68 INR and thereabouts. So should I be complaining about the delay is a question. That explains why Dassault was attempting to pad-up costs using other methods.
 
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Setting aside the norms of New Delhi’s procurement rulebooks, India and France marked Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Paris on Friday with an announcement that the Indian Air Force (IAF) would buy 36 Rafale fighters in fly-away condition. These will equip two IAF squadrons with 18 aircraft each.

I have spoken to President Hollande about buying 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition”, said Mr Modi, addressing a joint press conference in Paris. He said the terms of the tender would be modified accordingly.

The announcement is silent about the plan to build the Rafale in Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), a central part of the tender. So far, this multi-billion dollar procurement, which was conceived as a springboard for the modernization of India’s aerospace industry, will only benefit that of France.

Friday’s announcement underlines the continuing failure by India and France to take to a logical conclusion the IAF’s August 2007 tender for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), of which 18 were to be supplied fully-built and 108 built in India by HAL. After touting its handling of the tender as an example of probity and professional skill, New Delhi has inexplicably altered the terms of the tender, switching over to a single-vendor, government-to-government negotiation.

Since 2007, the IAF has evaluated and test-flown Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN Super Viper; Saab’s Gripen NG; RAC-MiG’s MiG-35; Eurofighter GmbH’s Typhoon and Dassault’s Rafale. In April 2011, the first four vendors were told their aircraft had not met IAF requirements. On January 31, 2012, Dassault was informed that its bid was the cheapest.

Since then, Dassault’s clarification of numerous grey areas in its financial bid led Indian negotiators to conclude that Dassault’s bid was significantly costlier than it had first appeared.

With Dassault now awarded an order for 36 Rafale fighters under arbitrarily altered rules, rival vendors could legitimately object, particularly Eurofighter GmbH, which can credibly argue that it would supply 36 fully built fighters cheaper than Dassault.

Dassault has only 180 Rafales on order from the French military, with Egypt expressing interest in buying another 24. By contrast, six nations have ordered 571 Typhoons, allowing Eurofighter to amortise development and infrastructure costs over thrice as many aircraft.

The government has stayed with the Rafale, though IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, clarified in Bengaluru in February that any fighter would do. "It is important we have an MMRCA. I would not say Rafale, but we need to have it [MMRCA] in the quickest possible time," Raha said.

Air Vice Marshal (Retired) Nirdosh Tyagi, who oversaw the MMRCA contest, says it is hard to justify buying only a small number of Rafales. It makes little sense to have an air force that already has seven different fighters --- Sukhoi-30MKI, MiG-29, MiG-27, MiG-21, Mirage 2000, Jaguar and Tejas LCA --- create spare part stocks, depots and maintenance infrastructure for just two squadrons of yet another fighter type.

“Thirty-six fighters are neither here nor there. The MMRCA was processed from the start as a 126-fighter contract, with an option for 63 more. Indigenous manufacture through technology transfer is crucial”, Tyagi says.

If India contracts for 36 Rafale fighters, Dassault will be in a commanding position to negotiate favourable terms for the remaining 90 fighters. If India does not agree to Dassault’s terms, it would be left with two squadrons of Rafales, with no indigenization.

Military analyst Bharat Karnad points out that India’s Rafale purchase is essential for Dassault, whose lack of orders has raised questions about its very existence. “What is India getting in return, as the French laugh their way to the bank? HAL’s production plans are in limbo; “Make in India” is uncertain; and we are buying the most expensive plane on offer. Why?” Karnad asks.

Karnad estimates that, with missiles and payload included, each Rafale would cost between $150-200 million. India, therefore, would end up paying $5.4 to $7.2 billion for 36 Rafales, about twice the cost of the indigenized Sukhoi-30MKI.


It remains unclear whether the defence ministry’s “cost negotiation committee” (CNC), which has been deadlocked in negotiations with Dassault for three years now, will continue negotiations for the remaining 90 fighters. The CNC had made it clear that Dassault would have to improve its earlier bid for supply-cum-licence manufacture. Now, the government’s decision to buy 36 fully built Rafale significantly undermines the CNC.

Broadsword: India, France announce deal for 36 fully-built Rafale fighters

The bold part holds something very interesting that we should not overlook.... the deal is pegged to the Euro; which is a falling currency vis-a-vis the INR.

When L1 was declared, the Euro was about 1:100 INR; now the Euro is 1:68 INR and thereabouts. So should I be complaining about the delay is a question. That explains why Dassault was attempting to pad-up costs using other methods.

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Reuters) - India's purchase of 36 French-made Rafale jets unveiled on Friday is not part of a larger order still being negotiated between the two countries, a French defense ministry source said.

The purchase of the Dassault Aviation planes, announced by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi during a visit to Paris, remains "separate from the tender under discussion for three years," the source said.

India's Rafale jet deal separate from talks on bigger order: source| Reuters

This part is important.

Reuters) - India's purchase of 36 French-made Rafale jets unveiled on Friday is not part of a larger order still being negotiated between the two countries, a French defense ministry source said.
 
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Setting aside the norms of New Delhi’s procurement rulebooks, India and France marked Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Paris on Friday with an announcement that the Indian Air Force (IAF) would buy 36 Rafale fighters in fly-away condition. These will equip two IAF squadrons with 18 aircraft each.

I have spoken to President Hollande about buying 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition”, said Mr Modi, addressing a joint press conference in Paris. He said the terms of the tender would be modified accordingly.

The announcement is silent about the plan to build the Rafale in Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), a central part of the tender. So far, this multi-billion dollar procurement, which was conceived as a springboard for the modernization of India’s aerospace industry, will only benefit that of France.

Friday’s announcement underlines the continuing failure by India and France to take to a logical conclusion the IAF’s August 2007 tender for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), of which 18 were to be supplied fully-built and 108 built in India by HAL. After touting its handling of the tender as an example of probity and professional skill, New Delhi has inexplicably altered the terms of the tender, switching over to a single-vendor, government-to-government negotiation.

Since 2007, the IAF has evaluated and test-flown Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN Super Viper; Saab’s Gripen NG; RAC-MiG’s MiG-35; Eurofighter GmbH’s Typhoon and Dassault’s Rafale. In April 2011, the first four vendors were told their aircraft had not met IAF requirements. On January 31, 2012, Dassault was informed that its bid was the cheapest.

Since then, Dassault’s clarification of numerous grey areas in its financial bid led Indian negotiators to conclude that Dassault’s bid was significantly costlier than it had first appeared.

With Dassault now awarded an order for 36 Rafale fighters under arbitrarily altered rules, rival vendors could legitimately object, particularly Eurofighter GmbH, which can credibly argue that it would supply 36 fully built fighters cheaper than Dassault.

Dassault has only 180 Rafales on order from the French military, with Egypt expressing interest in buying another 24. By contrast, six nations have ordered 571 Typhoons, allowing Eurofighter to amortise development and infrastructure costs over thrice as many aircraft.

The government has stayed with the Rafale, though IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, clarified in Bengaluru in February that any fighter would do. "It is important we have an MMRCA. I would not say Rafale, but we need to have it [MMRCA] in the quickest possible time," Raha said.

Air Vice Marshal (Retired) Nirdosh Tyagi, who oversaw the MMRCA contest, says it is hard to justify buying only a small number of Rafales. It makes little sense to have an air force that already has seven different fighters --- Sukhoi-30MKI, MiG-29, MiG-27, MiG-21, Mirage 2000, Jaguar and Tejas LCA --- create spare part stocks, depots and maintenance infrastructure for just two squadrons of yet another fighter type.

“Thirty-six fighters are neither here nor there. The MMRCA was processed from the start as a 126-fighter contract, with an option for 63 more. Indigenous manufacture through technology transfer is crucial”, Tyagi says.

If India contracts for 36 Rafale fighters, Dassault will be in a commanding position to negotiate favourable terms for the remaining 90 fighters. If India does not agree to Dassault’s terms, it would be left with two squadrons of Rafales, with no indigenization.

Military analyst Bharat Karnad points out that India’s Rafale purchase is essential for Dassault, whose lack of orders has raised questions about its very existence. “What is India getting in return, as the French laugh their way to the bank? HAL’s production plans are in limbo; “Make in India” is uncertain; and we are buying the most expensive plane on offer. Why?” Karnad asks.

Karnad estimates that, with missiles and payload included, each Rafale would cost between $150-200 million. India, therefore, would end up paying $5.4 to $7.2 billion for 36 Rafales, about twice the cost of the indigenized Sukhoi-30MKI.


It remains unclear whether the defence ministry’s “cost negotiation committee” (CNC), which has been deadlocked in negotiations with Dassault for three years now, will continue negotiations for the remaining 90 fighters. The CNC had made it clear that Dassault would have to improve its earlier bid for supply-cum-licence manufacture. Now, the government’s decision to buy 36 fully built Rafale significantly undermines the CNC.

Broadsword: India, France announce deal for 36 fully-built Rafale fighters



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Reuters) - India's purchase of 36 French-made Rafale jets unveiled on Friday is not part of a larger order still being negotiated between the two countries, a French defense ministry source said.

The purchase of the Dassault Aviation planes, announced by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi during a visit to Paris, remains "separate from the tender under discussion for three years," the source said.

India's Rafale jet deal separate from talks on bigger order: source| Reuters

This part is important.

Reuters) - India's purchase of 36 French-made Rafale jets unveiled on Friday is not part of a larger order still being negotiated between the two countries, a French defense ministry source said.
Let me guess : HAL industrila base isn't able to absorb ToT without huge cost? Maybe offsets could be injected in HAL?
 
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Why Outright Purchase of 36 Rafale's Makes Sense
Apr 10, 2015
By Vijainder K Thakur


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On Friday April 11, 2015 Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced that India would purchase from France 36 Rafale fighters in ready to fly condition to meet the nation's immediate operational requirements. At a joint news conference with French President Francois Hollande after their summit talks at Elysee palace, Modi said, “Keeping in mind critical operational necessity of fighter jets in India, I have talked to him (Hollande) and requested for 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition as quickly as possible under government-to-government deal.”
The announcement must have warmed hearts of the IAF leadership, ever edgy over the inexorable depletion of force levels caused by obsolescence of older MiG-21 variants. Going by Twitter reactions, the announcement left defense affair followers in good cheer for the upcoming weekend. However, there has been a surprising amount of criticism of the deal in the press. Most of it is coming from journalists who earlier wrongly reported that the Rafale deal is set to be scrapped, or armchair analysts who had opined that the deal was wasteful since India already has Su-30MKI, an equally capable aircraft. (Incidentally, a purchase cannot be wasteful per se. You make it wasteful by not utilizing it. IAF is not known to waste its assets, howsoever limited that may be in their capability.)
Having read through the criticism this morning, I realized I couldn't agree with even one point being made by naysayers. Egged by the barrage of criticism here is my point-by-point rebuttal to all naysayers.

The Su-30 MKI is as (more, according to the Russians) capable as the Rafale in WVR (within visual range), so where is the need for Rafale
Not true! The Su-30MKI is more maneuverable in WVR, only at low speeds. The Rafale outmaneuvers the Su-30MKI when energy levels are high. In a typical air-to-air engagement, It takes more than 40-secs of max g maneuvering for speeds to bleed off to an extent where the Su-30MKI begins to gain advantage and most WVR engagements end before 40-secs. The Rafale has an edge over the Su-30MKI in other important ways. Sensor fusion makes the aircraft a single pilot platform reducing costs, and gives it an edge in heavily contested airspace. In simpler words, threat assessment and engagement is automated to a greater degree.
The IAF will be introducing another type when it already has too many types, making maintenance more difficult and expensive.
No! the IAF will be replacing two existing types with the Rafale - older variant MiG-21s and MiG-27s. So there will still be a net type reduction. It reflects a more cautious approach to type reduction.

Once we buy 36 aircraft off the shelf, Dassault will not be amenable to price reduction for any follow-up deal involving local manufacture.

The Hindustan Times reported on April 10, 2015 that "New Delhi is not averse to Dassault floating a joint venture with a private company to build more Rafales in India. Similar offers of building fighters in India will also be made to other MMRCA competitors like the Saab Grippen, Boeing F-18, EADS Eurofighter, Russian MiG-35 and Lockheed Martin F-16 so that the IAF dominates the evolving security scenario in Asia." The implication is that the IAF would buy any fighter aircraft being manufactured in India! Here I would like to add that the HT has always been on the mark with its rather low key MMRCA reporting. Dassault has tied up with Reliance to fulfill its Rafale offset obligation and the joint venture (JV) may go on to manufacture the aircraft in India coveting a follow-up order. However, the Rafale-Reliance JV would have to compete against any similar JVs set up by MMRCA vendors who grab the opportunity to re-enter the arena -. Boeing, Lockheed, SAAB, EADS and MiG Corp!

MMRCA was pitched as a 126 fighter contract with option for 63 more. Indian government's backtracking would make foreign vendors wary of future Indian RFPs.
Defense procurement plans - short as well as long terms - have to be continuously tuned to prevailing economic realities and operational imperatives. Yes, the MMRCA was projected as a bigger deal (Mother of all defense deals according to the press!) but negotiations have stretched over three years with no resolution in sight. Can the government afford to continue ignoring operational imperatives? "Keeping in mind critical operational necessity of fighter jets in India," said our PM to the world. I am sure world governments will understand what the PM said, even if some journalists don't.

Indigenous manufacture by HAL with ToT was to be a critical ingredient of the MMRCA procurement.
It was, but the reality is HAL is already stretched to a point where timelines and quality are repeatedly slipping. Worst still, HAL has not been able to adequately leverage ToT from past production deals: MiG-21, Jaguar, Su-30MKI. It's often overlooked that ToT comes at a heavy additional cost, over and above the cost of aircraft, weapon systems and spares. Inability to leverage ToT results in criminal waste of national resources.

The deal has made the Modi government's 'Make in India' policy just a slogan!

We have covered this already. MoD continues to strive for local manufacture. Outright purchase of 36 Rafale's is a stop gap measure mandated by operational imperatives, a measure to temporarily bypass intractable differences over the cost and quality of Rafales to be manufactured by HAL.

A 36 aircraft order will not facilitate indigenisation of components, resulting in higher costs and less than optimum utilization of the fleet.
Absence of indigenisation and local manufacture does not reduce the potency of a fighter aircraft. The IAF's most successful fighter - Mirage 2000 - is an example. India ordered 49 Mirage 2000 in fly away condition from Dassault in 1985, and in 2004, placed a follow-up order for 10 Mirage-2000H variant of the aircraft featuring improved avionics. The Mirage gave an excellent account of itself during the 1998 Kargil war despite lack of indigenization, and is expected to continue in service well beyond 2030 following mid-life upgrade!

Rafale - Mirage-2000 Parallels
The Rafale deal may well follow the Mirage-2000 acquisition pattern, unless the French offer to produce the aircraft locally at a cost more competitive than vendors from the US, Germany, Sweden and Russia. It's interesting to note that India and France have historically never entered into a ToT / local production fighter deal. Ouragan (Toofani), Mystere, and Mirage 2000 were all outright purchases. (Jaguar - an Anglo-French joint venture was locally produced by HAL, but the deal was negotiated between HAL and British Aerospace.) It is also interesting to note that the MMRCA acquisition was triggered by the IAF's desire to augment its Mirage-2000 fleet!

Why Outright Purchase of 36 Rafale's Makes Sense | MyIndMakers
Vijainder K Thakur

A former IAF Jaguar pilot, Vijainder K Thakur took premature retirement after 20 years of service to pursue software development. His passion for programming took him to the US, but he chose to return after 8 years. He now free lances as military analyst, writing for IDR and Geopolitics. He tweets at @vkthakur




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India finally breaks ice over Rafale deal, great decision, says Manohar Parrikar
India Today



Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Saturday lauded India's decision to purchase 36 ready-to-fly French made Rafale fighter jets and said that it is a "great decision" which will see their induction into the Indian Air Force in a span of just two years.

Reacting to the development, Parrikar said, "India has finally broken the ice over the deal which has been pending for the last 17 years." It is a great deal both on terms and condition, he added.

Parrikar said that the jets will now be inducted into the IAF in a span of two years.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is on a three-nation tour to Europe and Canada, placed the order after meeting French President Francois Hollande on Friday.

The deal, which could be worth about 4 billion euros, is aimed at modernising India's ageing warplane fleet that needs urgent upgradation. The jets are manufactured by French firm Dassault Aviation.

Indian security experts believe the induction of the jets into IAF will further boost India's capabilities.

"I have asked President (Francois Hollande) to supply 36 ready-to-fly Rafale jets to India," Modi said at a news conference on the first day of his state visit to France, adding, "Our civil servants will discuss (terms and conditions) in more detail and continue the negotiations."

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian is expected to travel to India soon to finalise the deal.

According to a French defence ministry source, Friday's deal was separate from the original negotiations and came about after Indian defence minister indicated the country's urgent requirements.

"We informed them we were ready to respond to their operational needs separate from the tender under discussion for three years," the source said.

India wants to start replacing its ageing jet fleet from 2017.

"There was a real operational need because India needs combat jets because a certain number of countries have been equipping themselves, so there was a desire to speed up the process," Dassault Chief Executive Eric Trappier told Europe 1 radio.

India and France already have strong defence ties, particularly in the field of military hardware supplies.

India had earlier purchased Mirage 2000 fighter jets from Dassault. In March, the company had again delivered two modernised Mirage jets to India.
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Panaji: A day after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced that India will buy 36 Rafale jets from France in fly-away condition soon, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Saturday said that the country has finally broken the ice over the deal which had been pending for the last 17 years.

The deal struck with France will bring some relief to the Indian Air Force into which they will be inducted within two years, Parrikar said.

He further hailed the deal to buy Rafale jets from France as a “great decision taken on the terms and conditions that are better”.

"Indian Air Force will get minimum oxygen (relief) it required with this deal...In fact we have not purchased any major new generation aircraft in (last) 17 years.”

“Procuring 36 planes for two squadrons is an extremely positive decision which was needed," Parrikar told a news agency here.

Modi had yesterday said in Paris that India will buy 36 Rafale fighter jets in flyaway condition from France at the earliest by "keeping in view the critical operational necessity of fighter aircraft in India."

"The RFP (Request for Proposal) procedure for procuring these aircraft had been dragging on for several years. This was started in 2000 and still it was not getting completed because of a lot of confusion so I am very happy that the PM has taken the initiative," Parrikar said.

He said the fighter jets will be inducted into IAF within a span of two years, adding the ice has been finally broken over the deal.

Parrikar did not give any reasons why it will take up to a maximum of two years for inducting these much-needed fighters into IAF.

Experts feel that time may be needed for further price negotiations and refitting the aircraft in tune with Indian requirements. While the government-to-government negotiations may have ended, the forces may have to fine-tune the deal with the manufacturers Dassault.

Parrikar said after the initial purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft, the country will have more such planes under "Make in India initiative or Rafale kind of mechanism."

The minister said Rafale is the fourth generation aircraft which will add up to the old generation fighter planes like MiG21, MiG27 and Su30 which are currently with India.

"We have old generation aircraft which are upgraded and with limited life. In fact, MiG 21 is at the fag end of its life," he added. The Defence Minister said Rafale's induction into the IAF may take two years "as 'fly away' does not mean we will get them tomorrow".

"It has to be designed as per India's need," Parrikar said, adding negotiations will be held over their pricing, which are currently valued at Rs 700 crore.

"We need some lighter type of single-engine kind of aircraft, but we also need deep penetration double-engine aircraft which has latest technology and other equipment which can give India a decisive edge over its traditional enemies," the minister said.

He said the purchase of 36 aircraft is for filling in the immediate gap.

Noting that Light Combat aircraft Tejas will undergo final flight testing next month, he said, 'Make In India' is a long-term solution for India's Air Force strength.

"We have to push the development of Tejas and we have to also ensure that we could build some high grade aircraft," Parrikar said.

The Indian Air Force had shortlisted Rafale for induction into its frontline combat fleet, replacing the ageing Soviet-era MiG-21 squadron but the deal did not materialise for long.

The original deal, with an estimated cost of USD 20 billion, was for delivery of 126 fighters, including 18 off-the-shelf by Dassault, and 108 to be manufactured in India under licensed production by the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) over time, with 50 percent offset obligations to benefit the domestic aerospace industry.

The IAF opted for the twin-engined Rafale in January 2012 over Eurofighter Typhoon of the European consortium EADS Cassidian after outsmarting F-16 of American Lockheed Martin, F/A-18 of Boeing, MiG-35 of Russian United Aircraft Corp and Swedish SAAB's Gripen in a global competitive bid floated in August 2007.

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20billion dollars worth foreign made BMW's is not going to make this country safe, France today is not the independant superpower it was and the mistral incident proves it.
Lol at Vijainder K Thakur's(not surprising he is a IAF stooge of foreign goods) comments that lack of local components does not make an aircraft less effective, it is surprising that a serviceman like him is so ignorant of the fact that operational effectiveness of the fleet is more important than individual planes effectiveness and for that you need local support in terms of spares,modifications,battle damage repair,scheduled repair which can only come from TOT.
If a war arrives IAF will eat into war reserves,beg the govt to buy spares from France again at exorbitant prices and yet cannibalize aircraft to keep most part of the fleet flying.This isnt new for India but the IAF never learns or never wants to learn,such is the influence of lobbyists and vested interests.
IAF being the forefront of aviation in the country has failed to develop local capability vis-a-vis the Navy, they don't want to because a lot of IAF officers are leading a pompous life and wanto continue the tradition.People may call me an arm chair analyst or a key board warrior but it doesn't take more than common sense to look into their nonsensical attitude towards air-power.
 
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India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly away shape, HAL to build another 108

Marking a breakthrough in the protracted talks in the French Rafale jet deal, Prime Minister Narendra Modi today announced that India will purchase 36 of these fighter planes that are ready to fly, citing critical operational requirement of the IAF.
The announcement was made by Modi at a joint news conference with French President Francois Hollange after their summit talks at Elysee palace.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/india-to-buy-36-rafale-jets-in-fly-away-shape-hal-to-build-another-108-2192683.html

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India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly away shape, HAL to build another 108

Marking a breakthrough in the protracted talks in the French Rafale jet deal, Prime Minister Narendra Modi today announced that India will purchase 36 of these fighter planes that are ready to fly, citing critical operational requirement of the IAF.
The announcement was made by Modi at a joint news conference with French President Francois Hollange after their summit talks at Elysee palace.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/india-to-buy-36-rafale-jets-in-fly-away-shape-hal-to-build-another-108-2192683.html

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Arent we getting these 36 fighter planes in 2 years span ? HAL do have industrial and production facilities.
 
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RAFALE STORY FAR FROM OVER; GOVT TO KEEP HAL IN THE LOOP



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by Dr. Anantha Krishnan M
BANGALORE: Thirty-six Rafale jets for the plane-deprived Indian Air Force (IAF) from Dassault Aviation! That's buzz all around since last night after Prime Minister Narendra Modi sprang yet another surprise. Finally, the much-hyped mother of all deals jettisoned out of the red-tape-trap, with even the number 36 surprising many.

Plane pundits are already out with many theories, with some even wondering the ‘logic' behind going for such a small order, which is just enough to fill only two Squadrons.

But, those who saw the Rafale script from close quarters confirm to OneIndia that the story is far from over. Any more surprises on this front? "Can't predict," they say.

HAL will be kept in the loop

Sources confirm that the Modi government is in no mood to push Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) away, despite a strong private lobby wanting it to be out of the Rafale frame.

"Any additional orders for Rafales will have to be via the Make in India route and it will be HAL who will be manufacturing the same. The private sector too will be roped in subsequently," an official in the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said.

When asked about the fate of various Price Negotiation Committees (PNCs) looking into the 126 MMRCA deal, the official said: "Some clarity will emerge in the next one month."

The official said that the government was ‘aware of the implications' it would face following its decision to take the direct purchase route.

"It was expected that many would see it as a stand away from the Make in India policy. The numbers (36) should be seen as a pointer towards the government's thought process. Private industries and HAL will play a significant role in the new scheme of things set to unfold," the official said.

When asked whether RFP process in which Dassault Aviation has emerged as an L-1 stands nullified now, the official refused to comment.

Fate of RFP a closed chapter: Matheswaran

Reacting to the deal, Air Marshal M Matheswaran (Retd), former Deputy Chief of the Integrated Defence Staff (Policy, Planning and Development), IAF and currently an Advisor to HAL, told OneIndia the government's was keen to find a quick solution.

"The PNCs are good if they find a logical solution. In my personal opinion the RFP is a closed chapter now. I am sure the government will take a fresh call. All the future moves will be linked to Make in India, ToT (Transfer of Technology), production standards, delivery schedules and HAL's role," says Matheswaran. He had played a significant role when the IAF decided to go for the MMRCAs.

"The fate of the RFP (for the 126 Rafales as per the original tender now estimated around $20 billion) is now in the hands of the government. Plugging the gap was the key. The government could go in for any aircraft now which can fit into the Make in India plan," says the former IAF official, now a leading think-tank on military matters.

Govt got some breathing space now

When asked about the allegations that ‘HAL will not be in a position to roll out quality Rafales,' Matheswaran said that the premier aerospace company has been delivering different types of aircraft over the years.

"The vendor has no business to raise the issue at the end of the negotiation. Yes, I am for a good private eco system coming up for the benefit of aviation in India," Matheswaran said.

He said the decision to buy 36 Rafales in a fly-away was purely to strengthen the strategic partnership with the France. ‘It's a G-to-G decision and we have had the Mirages-2000s coming in the same format 30 years back," he added.

He said the government has got some breathing space now with the decision to go in for 36 fighters. "There's some room to move around. The freedom to take new decisions," Matheswaran added. He said that the Dassault has the capability to deliver all the 36 Rafales to IAF in the next two years.

HAL's Bangalore Complex warms up to Rafale

HAL insiders say that the Company has gone some distance in handling a new fighter plane and associated technologies. HAL's famed Bangalore Complex, which has manufactured many flying platforms in the last seven decades, has already warmed up to the Rafales.

"We have spent lot of time in the last five years. Much before the Make in India concept came, we were prepared to handle a new platform. It is now certain that the IAF will go for more Rafales. We have held series of consultations with Dassault and many of our engineers have gone to their facilities has well," an official said.

When asked about the built-quality concerns, the official said, "It's unfair to rake up a scenario before we reach there. There could have been instances of quality concerns in the past, but Bangalore Complex's recent track record in delivering Hawks needs to be factored in."

OneIndia has confirmed that HAL Chairman T Suvarna Raju is among the delegates accompanying Modi during the current Paris trip.

(The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. He is the Consultant Editor (Defence) with OneIndia. He tweets @writetake)

Rafale story far from over; Govt to keep HAL in the loop - Oneindia


RAFALE FIGHTER JET DEAL: WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR INDIA?

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi, left, is greeted by French President Francois Hollande before a meeting at the Elysee Palace, in Paris, France, Friday, as part of a European tour for Modi (Source: AP photo)

During Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to France this week, India asked France to supply 36 Rafale fighter jets in “fly-away” condition “as quickly as possible”. This is under a government-to-government deal, unlike the tender currently being negotiated by the Ministry of Defence with Dassault, Rafale’s manufacturer.

For that tender, Rafale had earlier been chosen as the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF) after a stringent technical evaluation and global tender process which has lasted a decade. That tender proposed the purchase of 18 Rafale aircraft in “fly-away” condition, and 108 to be made operational by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) under a transfer of technology clause.

Subsequently, the deal has been mired in controversies. It has been alleged that Dassault Aviation has refused to transfer technology, increased the price in violation of the original tender, and refused to take charge of timely deliveries for the aircraft produced in India.

The ostensible reason for India starting a separate process, away from the 126 aircraft deal, is to urgently meet the “critical operational necessity” of the IAF. IAF is now down to 34 squadrons from its authorised 42, and successive Air Chiefs have highlighted the necessity of expeditiously acquiring the MMRCA. This is way of rapidly alleviating the IAF’s most immediate concerns, while leaving room for future negotiations.

Dr Iskander Rehman, non-resident Fellow in the South Asia Programme at the Atlantic Council says, “I can only imagine the collective sighs of relief at this announcement, not only amongst the French employees of Dassault, but also within the IAF, which has repeatedly expressed its concern over the steady haemorrhaging of the Indian air fleet. This acquisition couldn’t have been more pressing in nature.”

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi, left, with French President Francois Hollande attend a joint press conference at the Elysee Palace, in Paris, France, Friday. (Source: AP photo)

The bold political call taken by the Indian government is also a reflection of the frustration on both sides at how bogged down the deal has got in terms of procedures and pricing negotiations. As it is a government-to-government deal, India should be able to get these aircraft cheaper. The negotiations over price are still on but experts estimate at least a 10% lower price for these 36 aircraft. With limited funds available for capital acquisition in the defence budget, monetary considerations are an important factor in any major Indian procurement.

The announcement, however, doesn’t talk about making Rafale in Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), a core proposition of the original tender. This multi-billion dollar procurement thus runs contrary to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Make in India plan for the defence sector.

This has led to whispers of some other high-end defence technology transfers from France as a quid pro quo for this deal. One such technology being spoken about is the reactor for the Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear (SSBN) Submarine; India is currently in the process of making its first indigenous nuclear submarine, the Arihant.
A nuclear submarine is seen as the best guarantor for a second strike capability in case of a nuclear conflict because it can stay underwater for longer periods than a diesel submarine, which needs to come to the surface for oxygen intake.

Speculation aside, there are doubts that France will part with such technology. “India badly needs help perfecting its SSBN reactors, but something tells me that that technology is way too sensitive for the French to part with it, even if India tries to strongarm them over the Rafale deal,” a French military analyst told The Indian Express.

Whatever be the case, India seems to have firmly thrown its lot with the Rafale. Already running a mix of seven different fighter aircraft, it is highly unlikely that India will stop at buying 36 Rafale aircraft which can equip only two squadrons. This should put an end to speculation about another rival MMRCA manufacturer bagging the 126-aircraft deal. However, Air Vice Marshal (retd) Manmohan Bahadur, Distinguished Fellow at the Centre for Air Power Studies though warns, “Nothing is certain. IAF has worked with only two squadrons of Mirage 2000 and two of Mig-29 earlier.”

The most pressing question that has cropped up after this 36 aircraft government-to-government deal is: what happens to the original tender of 126 Rafale fighters? The best option is for the ongoing negotiations to be completed under the current tender wherein India gets another 126 aircraft from Dassault. If India doesn’t want another 126 Rafale fighters, it would have to go for the option of issuing a new tender process. That is an extremely time-consuming process, with no guarantee that Rafale will again emerge as the winner.

The third option for India would be to go for a follow-up government-to-government deal with France for additional Rafale aircraft. This could include an option for Transfer of Technology to make them in India. AVM Bahadur suggests a way in which the current deal could help the Make in India programme in the defence sector. The Maintenance Transfer of Technology (MTOT) for these 36 Rafale fighters, Air Marshal Bahadur suggests, should go to a private vendor instead of HAL. The DPP (2013 revised) clearly specifies that nomination of DPSUs like HAL for MTOT can be done away with and the contract given to a private vendor.

“We have so far not leveraged the MTOTs. If we give the Rafale MTOT to a private player, positive spin-offs will happen as it will expose that vendor to R&D and modern technology,” AVM Bahadur said.

“It will take another five years for Rafale to go for maintenance, and that is a long enough period for a private player to create the capacity – hangars, jigs, procedures, equipment, trained manpower. Even HAL will have to do this from scratch, which is no different for a private player, and it is better we get the private sector in now,” AVM Bahadur added.

All the experts, however, agree on one thing. It is too early to conclude anything concrete about the 36 fighter procurements unless more details of the deal are made public by the government.

Rafale fighter jet deal: What does it mean for India? | The Indian Express | Page 99

RAFALE DEAL – NAMO ACTS IN NATIONAL INTEREST, NO TIME FOR SECOND-GUESSING

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The biggest highlight of day one in France of Prime Minister Narendra Modi is the announcement that India will buy 36 Rafale jets from France in fly-away condition soon.

The announcement comes even as some have attempted to second guess (Subramanian Swamy) the Prime Minister’s decision unmindful of the fact that he was still on foreign soil. For long the bipartisan Foreign Policy tradition in India has been to keep domestic disagreement back home with even the Opposition respecting this tradition. It is unfortunate that those closer home have chosen to go public with their disagreement even as the Prime Minister was conducting the nation’s business in France.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar however hailed the decision while exuding confidence that the Rafale jets will be inducted in the Indian Air Force in the coming two years. This is a major breakthrough as the MMRCA deal had been pending since last 17 years.

Jagran Post added that, India and France had been locked in negotiations for three years over the purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets valued at 12 billion USD. They were unable to seal the deal over cost and Dassault Aviation’s reluctance to stand guarantee for 108 planes to be made by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Dinakar Peri wrote for The Hindu that,

“The major reason for the direct purchase of 36 Rafale jets from France are the fast – depleting fighter strength of the Indian Air Force, ending delays in the Medium Multi – Role Combat Aircraft negotiations and the steep price rise."

The fighter aircraft strength has fallen drastically to 34 squadrons from the sanctioned 42 and is set to further dip with the phasing out of MiG – 21s and MiG -27s in the next few years. The Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, has flagged the issue on several occasions.”

Sushant Singh while writing for The Indian Express said that,

“The ostensible reason for India starting a separate process, away from the 126 aircraft deal, is to urgently meet the “critical operational necessity” of the IAF. IAF is now down to 34 squadrons from its authorised 42, and successive Air Chiefs have highlighted the necessity of expeditiously acquiring the MMRCA. This is way of rapidly alleviating the IAF’s most immediate concerns, while leaving room for future negotiations.”

On this topic China.org reported that,

“France’s Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian would travel to India soon to finalise the deal, according to the French president. The contract could be worth 4 billion euros (4.24 billion U.S. dollars), with the price of a Rafale is estimated at 110 million euros without arms.”

China.org also added that,

“The Rafale, manufactured by French company Dassault Aviation, is a twin-engine delta-wing multi-role jet fighter. Since it was introduced in 2000, it only serves in the French navy. Due to its high price, the French aircraft faces competition from Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and Gripen NG from Sweden’s Saab.”

Manu Pubby wrote for The Times of India about the Rafale deal that,

“After a series of twists and turns, a multi-billion dollar deal for new fighter jets for the Air Force has hit the last mile with the NDA government determined to iron out differences and wrap up negotiations with an out-of-the-box solution to end a two-year deadlock. A test of political will to find an innovative approach to ink a contract that was threatening to get out of hand, but one that had significant strategic and geopolitical implications, has been on display in the lead up to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Paris, where the Rafale deal has been firmed up along with a memorandum of understanding on joint defence production in India.”

Vijainder K Thakur wrote on MyIndMakers on the same lines as Mr. Pubby and added that those who say that Su-30MKI is more capable as the Ralae in WVR (within visual range) is not true. He adds that:

“The Su-30MKI is more maneuverable in WVR, only at low speeds. The Rafale outmaneuvers the Su-30MKI when energy levels are high. In a typical air-to-air engagement, It takes more than 40-secs of max g maneuvering for speeds to bleed off to an extent where the Su-30MKI begins to gain advantage and most WVR engagements end before 40-secs. The Rafale has an edge over the Su-30MKI in other important ways. Sensor fusion makes the aircraft a single pilot platform reducing costs, and gives it an edge in heavily contested airspace. In simpler words, threat assessment and engagement is automated to a greater degree.”

Rafale deal – NaMo acts in National Interest, no time for second-guessing ~ Indian Defence News

RAFALE DEAL: CONGRESS SPEAKS IN DIFFERENT VOICES - SLAMS SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY

NEW DELHI: A day after Subramanian Swamy threatened to take legal recourse over the Rafale jet deal, Congress today spoke in different voices on the issue with Amarinder Singh strongly defending the purchase and asking Swamy not to sabotage it, and Digvijay Singh daring the BJP leader to move court.

"This statement (of Swamy threatening to go to court) is obviously for settling scores with the Prime Minister for not being taken into the cabinet," Congress Deputy Leader in the Lok Sabha Amarinder said in a statement, wondering whether Swamy's "personal requirement come before that of the nation?"

Welcoming the government's decision to buy Rafale fighter jets from France to strengthen capability of Indian Air Force, Amarinder said, "For heaven's sake put your personal agenda aside for a while as this concerns the Defence of the Nation."

Amarinder's strong defence of the deal came close on the heels of Congress General Secretary Digvijay Singh daring Swamy to move court over the Rafale deal a day after the latter threatened to take legal recourse claiming that there were shortcomings in the fighter aircraft.

"I dare Subramanian Swamy to go to court on Rafale Jet purchase," Singh said in a tweet, a day after Swamy threatened to move court if the government went ahead with the deal. Expressing surprise over India buying 36 'Ready to Fly' Rafale jets from France off the shelf, Singh wondered, "Is this the new Defence Purchase Policy of GOI? Would CAG/CVC please take notice."

Amarinder, who had served in the Army, said purchase of 36 jets to equip two squadrons was crucial for strengthening the IAF, as are the others, which are to follow.

The deal was decided during the Prime Minister current visit to France.

"It is time that we all look to the Defence of the nation, rather than playing politics," Amarinder said, insisting that all three Services require the government's "urgent attention" to make good their requirements.

Amarinder lamented that each year budgetary allocations for the Defence Ministry lapse as the decision making process goes "inactive, once again to the detriment of the nation". Amarinder claimed the country's defence forces were "badly short" of modern and sophisticated equipment and weapons.

"The Chinese air force has a 3:1 superiority over us, and against a minimum requirement of 45 squadrons the IAF has only 32," he said, adding that of these, 32 are MIG-21 jets which were first introduced in 1965 and have outlived their utility.

Amarinder, the former Punjab Chief Minister, claimed that the Armoured Corps has no fresh first line ammunition, the Infantry needs a new rifle, as the INSAS is not liked by the troops as they consider it ineffective.

AICC General Secretary Digvijay Singh also took a dig at the working of the Modi dispensation.

Taking a swipe at the Modi government's slogan of 'Minimum Government, Maximum Governance', he said, "When (the) Prime Minister was buying fighter aircraft in France our Defence Minister was buying fish in Goa! Minimum Government and Maximum Governance."

"When (the) Prime Minister is signing deals abroad Foreign Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj is propagating Modi's future achievements in Vidisha, Madhya Pradesh. Another example of Minimum Government and Maximum Governance", he said.

Amarinder said "for the AK 47, used extensively on the counter infiltration grid, we have to import ammunition as we are not making any in India". Besides, he said, "all major armies of the world use the 155 Howitzer as the standard medium gun".

"The Chinese have a vast submarine fleet and we are yet in the planning stage! What about the state of our defence roads when China has four-lane roads and even railways, right up to our border, we have been waiting for these since 1962!" Amarinder said.

Meanwhile, Congress spokesman Sanjay Jha said in a tweet, "The Rafale purchase is another brazen u-turn by PM Modi. It will help only France get a big sales order. What happened to 'Make in India'?"

Rafale was selected by India from among five bidders in 2012 as it quoted the lowest price.

Rafale Deal: Congress Speaks in Different Voices -The New Indian Express
 
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