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So are Boeing and Lockheed... big difference.

American companies are Private companies

Whereas Chinese Military Industrial Complex is directly governed by the Chinese Govt

There might be smaller companies for Administrative convenience and
creating a competitive environment

But they work in a seamless manner

Like in India DRDO ; HAL ; OFB are all Government Organistions
 
So are Boeing and Lockheed... big difference.

Both Shenyang and Chengdu are subsidiaries under the AVIC, similar to Russia's UAC where Sukhoi and Mig are under a larger umbrella organization. Of course, both SAC and CAC compete for contracts, but it's not at the same level as Boeing and Lock Mart.

The AVIC and UAC were set up to prevent wastage of resources due to duplicating work or reinventing the wheel. So technology is shared between the subsidiaries, unlike in the American companies.
 
American companies are Private companies

Whereas Chinese Military Industrial Complex is directly governed by the Chinese Govt

And US companies aren't guided or governed by the US military? In the US they call this R&D expenditure rather then state control. You still have programs initiated by the US military, funded partially by them and overseen by the US military, but also by the individual companies and the work governed by a mix of both government and private ownership.

Or lets look at it like this. Lockheed is a well known company right? Surely you know the name. You're also likely to know the name of Sikorsky. Maybe you aren't aware that Sikorsky is a Lockheed subsidiary, an with its own independence designs and oversight, but a part of Lockheed.

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Chinese companies function as their Soviet counterparts do. State controlled, but given independence over their resources and design. They are individual design companies. Central control.

While both Chengdu and Shenyang are subsidiaries of AVIC, they are independent design bureaus with their own resources, control and projects. Ultimately they report to AVIC, but this does not mean they aren't responsible for their own designs.

Relating this to Lockheed and Boeing, both are independent companies occasionally acting on request by the US military but without formal contracts. Don't think that precludes them from sharing proprietary info with one another, as programs like this or their joint venture the ULA and a joint Boeing-Lockheed submission to the tender that birthed the B-21 show.

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Shenyang and Chengdu are independent design bureaus, both with their own designs and projects and funding. Do they collaborate? I doubt you really know. But mistaking the two for one another reflects rather poorly.


Don't you have something else to do other then bother me? Go do it.
 
GaN AESA seekers
Let them first make a good GaA radar then a GaN and then a miniaturized seeker. Japanese are the only one who have actually made a AESA seeker for their AAM-4 BVR missile. MBDA is partnering with them to bring in this tech to meteor missile.
 
Let them first make a good GaA radar then a GaN and then a miniaturized seeker. Japanese are the only one who have actually made a AESA seeker for their AAM-4 BVR missile. MBDA is partnering with them to bring in this tech to meteor missile.

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According to two year old news, something similar should be in production now.

Anyway, as far as the Russians are concerned, GaN is passe. The production Stage 1 PAK FA will come with a fully digital GaN suite, for everything, weapons, communications, radar etc. The Stage 2 will come with photonics, that's at a whole 'nother level.
 
PAKFA is already using all GaN ?! They have solved thermal issues to make it miniature !? can you give me some sources.

I don't think they will keep it a secret if its in production. Its quite a good achievement and they would be pitching it for MKI missile upgrade .

They have kept a lot of it secret. NPF Mikran set up production facilities 1-2 years ago. The new radar for the Mig-35 is also fully digital based on GaN. GaN doesn't have thermal issues.

Anyway-
https://www.rt.com/news/t50-missile-advanced-guidance-643/

https://www.rt.com/news/321738-russian-stealth-pak-fa/
Russia’s PAK FA fifth-generation fighter jet goes “100 percent digital,” defense industry officials say. The jet will get “smart covering” that enables a pilot to have an all-round combat picture and maneuver with a maximum degree of efficiency.

“The PAK-FA fighter jet is not simply a fifth-generation aircraft as brand new ideas were installed. In other words, it is a 100-percent digital aircraft which not only delivers information at the pilot’s request, but also ensures full-fledged situation awareness,” Nasenkov said.

PAK FA is ready for production with these technologies.

Otoh, Northrop recently won the contract to develop digital radars.
https://globenewswire.com/news-rele...tronically-Scanned-Array-AESA-Technology.html

Meaning, the F-22 and F-35 are still years away from these technologies.

Anyway, this is irrelevant to India because we have chosen optical radars, that's a step ahead. So no GaN for us, that will be obsolete too, in about 3-5 years. So this radar, when ready, won't just detect the F-22 and the F-35, but also detect a pimple on the pilot's face from hundreds of kilometres away.
 
What waste to buy only 36 rafale jets.
36+18 all will be delivered to us by 2020

India navy Will buy Rafale M for its Aircraft carrier Separately

Rafale comes with Scalp and Meteor and other Weapon Packages
 
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