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Both sides are keen to reach a conclusion before Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visits France in April.

like I said in another thread lets wait till Modis visit to France in April
Seems like some sanity is prevailing unlike what some section of media is portraying about deal being a goner etc. & strangely enough no one in official channel has yet pointed put about cost factor (its all liability and guarantees only).
Looks like France and India will sign the dotted lines, come April 2015.
 
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Some interesting developments in the UAE

UK To Announce Typhoon-Brimstone Integration

With most of its prospective export clients on the doorstep, it's little surprise Typhoon builder Eurofighter looks as though it has chosen the IDEX defense show in Abu Dhabi to announce a deal to integrate a key new weapon into the armory of the combat jet.
British Procurement Minister Philip Dunne signaled the announcement was imminent on Saturday when he told a conference of senior military officers and industry leaders in Abu Dhabi that he was "looking forward to announcing further air-to-ground strike capability" for the Typhoon at IDEX...

...Fitting the new Brimstone 2 version of the missile now in series production at MBDA's UK facilities will give the Typhoon a significant capability to defeat small high speed and maneuvering targets on land or at sea.

The integration deal is an important part of the effort to upgrade Typhoon capabilities vital to keeping the combat jet in the race for exports in the Arabian Gulf region and elsewhere...

...The announcement that Dunne alluded to could be part of a wider improvements package for Typhoon, which may be unveiled this week, said one industry executive here...

UK To Announce Typhoon-Brimstone Integration

Just a coincidence that Brimstone integration will be announced, just as MBDA formed a JV with the UAE for Sea SPEAR (naval Brimstone) and Matre anti ship missiles (considered for EF as well)? :what:

UAE partners with European firm to launch new missile systems

UAE defence companies and MBDA, a European missile maker, are jointly launching three new missile defence systems for the Middle East market at the International Defence Exhibition in Abu Dhabi.

The three joint initiatives together cost about €100 million (Dh418m) to develop, and comprise a ship-based missile system, a mobile ground-to-air defence system and a coastal defence battery...

...Two of MBDA’s new missile programmes have been jointly developed at Abu Dhabi’s Al Fattan shipyard with the oilfield services firm Siham Al Khaleej, and the system will be marketed soon to naval defence buyers in the region, Mr Duleux said.

One is called the Sea Spear and is based on the Brimstone missile system, which is designed to have a firing capability against fast, smaller incoming seaborne attack craft, which are familiar in Arabian Gulf waters.

The other joint programme at Al Fattan is a coastal battery anti-ship system based on MBDA’s Marte missile. This is already in the inventory of the UAE armed forces and will be marketed jointly in the region shortly...
UAE partners with European firm to launch new missile systems | The National
 
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Another confirmation for Brimstone integration:

Eurofighter Typhoons to be fitted with Brimstone missiles

A deal worth 200 million euros ($228 million) has been signed to equip Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets with the latest Brimstone 2 surface attack missiles, Britain's Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on Sunday.

The integration is expected to be delivered into service by Britain's Royal Air Force in late 2018, the MoD said, with each Typhoon able to carry six of the Brimstone missiles, which are designed to hit fast-moving targets and have already been used by Britain's Tornado jets in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq...

..."The integration of Brimstone 2 represents a step change in Typhoon air-to-surface capability; providing for the first time both a low collateral moving target capability and multi-weapon launchers," said Bernard Gray, the MoD's Chief of Defence Materiel.

Eurofighter Typhoons to be fitted with Brimstone missiles| Reuters
 
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Last Chance: France to Attempt Negotiate Rafale Deal With India This Week
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French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Drian will travel to India this week hoping to push on with negotiations to seal the deal on Rafale fighter jets.



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India Scraps Rafale Fighter Deal With France, Eyes Russian Alternative
French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Drian will meet his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar in the week of February 23 looking to prevent the collapse of a deal to sell 126 Rafale fighter jets.


Three years ago, French company Dassault Aviation won the right to start exclusive negotiations with India to supply 126 Rafale fighters in a deal which could be worth as much as $12 billion.

The deal between the two countries has been difficult when it came to the realization of the project. India previously said the deal was too expensive and looked to back down from the project, instead leaning towards Russian-made Sukhoi-30 MKI that is a better armed, more economical and much cheaper fighter jet.

The French minister plans to push on with negotiations, hoping to resolve the differences in “a fast-track manner”. However, his trip could be too little too late. Last week, Russian aircraft corporation Irkut announced that Russia and India plan to discuss the modernization of Russian-designed Su-30MKI fighters, including equipping them with BrahMos cruise missiles.



Read more: Last Chance: France to Attempt Negotiate Rafale Deal With India This Week / Sputnik International

India's Rafale Dilemma: France Cannot Be Trusted After Mistral Faux Pas
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The battle for the deal to supply warplanes to India is on and Russian Su-30MKI's are the prime candidate to replace Rafale fighters that France failed to deliver years after winning the $10 billion tender.

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Last Chance: France to Attempt Negotiate Rafale Deal With India This Week
France and India have been trying to ink the deal since 2012, with New Delhi becoming increasingly frustrated with its European partner. India wants Dassault Aviation to stick to the original terms of the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract. At the moment its cost has doubled.


The two countries have also been deadlocked over the licensed production of the fighter jets. According to the initial terms, France was to supply 18 Rafale fighters, while India would produce 108 aircraft at a Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) facility under a technology transfer agreement. Later Dassault refused to take responsibility for the warplanes produced at HAL.

India's frustration must have also been exacerbated when France refused to deliver two Mistral-class helicopter carriers built for the Russian Navy. The French stance on the Mistral deal might have contributed to India's decision to seek other partners as the country is upgrading its military equipment.

Earlier this week, the deputy head of Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport, Sergei Goreslavsky, confirmed that Russia was ready to supply India with additional Su-30MKIs. However, France is not giving up just yet. French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Drian will visit New Delhi in the coming days in an attempt to save the deal.



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Scrapping Rafale Deal in Favor of Su-30MKI Optimal for India: Think Tank
The fate of the agreement is expected to be sealed in March before the upcoming visit of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to France. The collapse of the negotiations would be an embarrassment for the French government, AFP news agency noted.


Both warplanes are currently exhibited at the Aero India 2015 air show in Bangalore. The fact that Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jets have been manufactured in India since 2000 gives the Russian-designed aircraft an advantage. Moreover, Su-30MKIs are cheaper and more reliable, according to Indian Minister for External Affairs in the North Eastern Region Vijay Kumar Singh.

Years-long successful military cooperation between Russia and India is also a factor. For instance, Russia and India are slated to sign a contract for the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) based on the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA fighter jet.



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Read more: India's Rafale Dilemma: France Cannot Be Trusted After Mistral Faux Pas / Sputnik International
 
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As a Pakistani, I'm looking forward to see the deal gets scrapped. As neutral observer, IAF should make clear to the govt. whether they want it or not and if they do, govt should sincerely try to get them
 
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As a Pakistani, I'm looking forward to see the deal gets scrapped. As neutral observer, IAF should make clear to the govt. whether they want it or not and if they do, govt should sincerely try to get them
The IAF has zero say, they have made their case now it is in the hands of the MoD, nothing the IAF can say now will change a thing. It is not a question of the IAF not wanting the Rafale enough, it is far, far more complicated than this.
 
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The IAF has zero say, they have made their case now it is in the hands of the MoD, nothing the IAF can say now will change a thing. It is not a question of the IAF not wanting the Rafale enough, it is far, far more complicated than this.
Oh, I like it's complicated. Increases chances of scrapping
 
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France in new bid to nail fighter jet deal with India

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© AFP/File Manjunath KiranVisitors look at a scale model of a Dassault Rafale multi-role combat fighter jet during the Aero India 2015 air show at Yelahanka Airforce Station in Bangalore on February 20, 2015



New Delhi (AFP) - France's defence minister will visit New Delhi this week in a fresh bid to nail a troubled deal to sell 126 Rafale fighter jets which has been snagged for three years and now faces new questions about its cost.

Jean-Yves Le Drian will meet his counterpart Manohar Parrikar and other officials on Monday and Tuesday to prevent the sale's collapse ahead of an upcoming visit to Paris by India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

French company Dassault Aviation won the right in January 2012 to enter exclusive negotiations with India to supply 126 Rafale fighters, with experts saying a final deal could be worth $12 billion.

The idea is for Dassault to supply 18 of the twin-engine fighters later this year while the remaining 108 would be made by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd under technology transfer agreements with India.

But negotiations have proved fraught, both under Modi's government and its Congress predecessor, while a committee which is looking into the deal has reportedly found that it was not the cheapest option.

France's defence ministry has said the visit will give the governments a chance to discuss "international affairs and defence industry issues", but there is little doubt Rafale will dominate proceedings.

Le Drian's visit comes barely two months after he also came to India for talks with Parrikar when they both agreed to push on with negotiations.

Modi's right-wing government, which won power in elections last May, has been blowing hot and cold about the progress of discussions.

A defence ministry spokesman said during Le Drian's visit in December that outstanding differences "would be resolved in a fast-track manner".



- Doubts over costs -

But the government has also commissioned a report about the project costs, adding yet more uncertainty.

Speaking at an air show in Bangalore last week, Parrikar said he expected the contract negotiation committee (CNC) to submit its report within weeks.

"I have asked the CNC to speed up the process of completion of the report for us to take a decision on the acquisition of Rafale," he told reporters.

India's Business Standard newspaper reported earlier this month that the committee had found the Rafale proposal was in fact more expensive than a rival one by Eurofighter for its Typhoon jets.

The paper quoted defence ministry sources as saying the Rafale deal was "effectively dead" although the Indian top brass is still publicly backing it.

If the deal were to collapse, it would be a huge embarrassment for the French government, which is preparing to welcome Modi for his first visit to Europe as premier in April.

Dassault was able to celebrate the signing of a purchase agreement with Egypt last Monday for 24 Rafales, the first foreign sale of the fighters.

While the company's chief executive Eric Trappier has acknowledged the Indian negotiations have taken longer than expected, he told France's Les Echos financial daily recently that "we are not particularly worried".

One of the main sticking points has been over who should carry the can for any problems with the 108 planes that would be made in India, with the government in Delhi wanting guarantees from Dassault.

Dassault however has baulked at the idea of taking responsibility for the larger Indian-made batch of fighters.

India, which has long been the world's largest buyer of defence equipment, is in the midst of a multi-billion-dollar upgrade of ageing hardware, and recently lifted a cap on foreign investment in defence.

While his government has pledged to push forward with purchases which stalled under Congress, Modi wants to end India's status as the world's number one defence importer and to have 70 percent of hardware manufactured domestically by the turn of the decade.

With clouds hanging over the Rafale deal, there have been reports India could instead buy more Russian-made Sukhoi jets.

But the head of the Indian air force said that the Sukhois had different capabilities and could not be seen as a like-for-like replacement, as he called for the Rafale deal to be expedited.

"Rafale has been selected as L1 (lowest bidder)," Arup Raha said in Bangalore.

"It is important that we have the MMRCA (Rafale) and we need to have it in the quickest possible time".

Raha insisted no alternative plan was being considered at the moment but did not rule one out for the future.

"No, we don't have a Plan B as of now. We are only working on Plan A," he said.

France in new bid to nail fighter jet deal with India - Business Insider
 
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Well well, what's that? Missed one interesting part in the Brimstone integration news:

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Twin launcher for 250Kg LGBs at the inner wingstation! That increases the CAS load to 6 x Brimstone + 4 x Paveway IV or even to 8 x Paveway IV in a single misson.
 
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Well well, what's that? Missed one interesting part in the Brimstone integration news:

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Twin launcher for 250Kg LGBs at the inner wingstation! That increases the CAS load to 6 x Brimstone + 4 x Paveway IV or even to 8 x Paveway IV in a single misson.
That's good. Strike Eagle can carry 52 SDBs.
 
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The IAF has zero say, they have made their case now it is in the hands of the MoD, nothing the IAF can say now will change a thing. It is not a question of the IAF not wanting the Rafale enough, it is far, far more complicated than this.

Good though that the French seem to be panicking a bit, that may be pretty much the last chance to salvage any deal. (btw, me thinks that the Russians during Pres. Putin's visit must have offered something pretty tempting, you can see the MoD's position harden substantially after that visit)
 
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Brimstone on triple launcher
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Paveway IV at twin launcher
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Litening / Reccelite pod
 
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