Damascus warns it may shoot down Turkish planes attacking Kurds within Syrian borders

[Saif al-Arab]

If you want to pray for your dead loved ones or respected Islamic figures, you do it on behalf of God. You pray directly to God. Not to them. Otherwise there is no difference between doing such a thing and Christian Saints. In the Roman Catholic Church (I have Catholic relatives), people who died 3 years ago can become Saints and people pray to them if they are sick or they cannot find their car. Yes, there are 1000's of different "Saints" that you can pray to depending on what you are praying for.

It is very simple and there is NOTHING "radical" about it. Rather it is pure logic and monotheism.

Islam is a very simple religion. It is not like Judaism for instance.

 

[帅的一匹]

KSA is not funding any Kurds. KSA is supporting the Iraqi government openly against Kurdish terrorists and land grabbers of ancient Arab and Semitic lands in Iraq (Mesopotamia) as well as in Syria. Kurdish terrorists groups have forcefully forced Arabs living in Northern Syria to join their terrorist outfits which are sponsored by the US.

However this entire mess (US, Iran, Israel, Turkey etc. involvement) is the job of none other than the incompetent Bashar al-Wahhish regime. He is the one that destroyed his country. Now he must face the consequences and become an obedient puppet with no control over his country. Nowadays Putin is pulling all the strings. For the time being.

Both Iraq and Iran are Shiah majority. Why Saud had totally different attitude towards these two countries? Is it because Iraqi is Arabian and Iran is Persians?

 

[-SINAN-]

If you were serious, you would make peace with Syrian Government and act like Iran and Russia legally.
otherwise you are occupiers which is Syrian Government right to defend his citizens from illegal Turkey aggression.
so, I don't think you go to this clear trap and unwinnable war like what happen for Saudis in Yemen.

But, you know Syrian Government acted the same way when we initiated the Euphrates Shield operation and nothing happened.

 

[帅的一匹]

I do not care about Kings (monarch), presidents, prime ministers or "Supreme Leaders" when we are talking about Islamic principles of Tawheed.

Neither Kings of Saudi Arabia nor previous Shahs (kings) of Iran or current Supreme Leaders are saints. We all know that.

However I am talking about core principles here. I want to understand why tomb worship should be an accepted practice and why the necessity to take partners other than Allah (swt) (God) himself?

No matter how remarkable Muslim cleric x or Muslim scholar y is, he is not worth praying to. If we want to pray on his behalf or to him we pray directly to Allah (swt).

Graves are not a problem. It is when graves turn into tombs, mausoleums and huge worshipping places. I know that this is a central tenant in Shia Islam (Karbala and Najaf) so this kind of thinking is hard for Shias to accept, but I am just giving my personal views here. To me it makes no sense.

I would gladly (happily) visit Karbala and Najaf and pray at the mosques but never to the tombs like most Shia Twlevers do. It makes no sense to me. When I was a small kid I visited a Christian abbey in Spain (Montserrat) which is the home of the so-called "Lady of Montserrat"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_de_Montserrat_Abbey





Home of this;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_of_Montserrat



A statue that people pray to, kiss etc.

What is the difference between that and this;

I will be accused of being anti-Shia here but I can find tons of more absurd videos than this below;

People are corruption and innovating (human behavior)

Iraq is a brotherly Arab and Semitic country that we have 10.000 + year old ties to and a neighboring country. Shia Islam originated in KSA. Our problem is not Shia Islam. There are 2-3 million Saudi Arabian Shias (oldest communities in the world). 40% of all Iraqis are Sunni Muslims.

Iran (since 1979) is a rival. Before the Mullah's took power relations were close. Historically Arabs and Persians have cooperated a lot and many Arabs live in Iran (Southern Iranian in particular, also lived before Islam) as well as Persians in the Arabian Peninsula. Genetically related. A bit like you Chinese and Japanese. A complicated relationship.

The average Saudi Arabian will always consider an average Iraqi (in particular Iraqi Arabs (90% of the population) as a brotherly and sisterly people and vice versa.

So it's mainly ethnic than religious. And the political ideology is different.

 

[帅的一匹]

But, you know Syrian Government acted the same way when we initiated the Euphrates Shield operation and nothing happened.

This time it's not Syria goverment, it's USA behind the Kurds. The main purpose of supporting YPG is to keep Erdogan under check. Syria goverment is doing Kurds a favor without costing them anything.
It's about whether Turkey dares to go against USA or not. NATO membership or national security?!

To be or not to be, it's a question.

The name of Border security force has fullly shown USA's intention.

And the tension escalation between USA and Turkey is able to indirectly relieve the pressure on Assad goverment.

 

[-SINAN-]

It's about whether Turkey dares to go against USA or not. NATO membership or national security?!

To be or not to be, it's a question.

Totally agree with you.

If the question is about the survival of our country than what's need to be done is crystal clear.

One day if you are obliged to defend Independence and the Republic, you will not think of the circumstances, opportunities and conditions in which you will be found in order to begin your duties! These opportunities and conditions may appear in a very unfavorable nature. The enemies who will have a design against Independence and the Republic, may be the agent of a victory whose equal has not been seen in the entire world. It is possible that by force or trick that all the fortresses of the beloved country have been captured by force, all the shipyards have been entered, all the armies have been dispersed and in fact every corner of the country has been occupied. Even more deplorable and serious than all these conditions, those who are possessing power within the country can be discovered to be careless, taking refuge or even committing treason. Moreover, these possessors of power may unite with the political ambitions of the invaders for their personal interests. The Nation may be in utter poverty and become exhausted and ruined.

O Turkish child of future generations! As you see, even under these circumstances and conditions, it is your duty to save the Turkish Independence and the Republic! The strength that you will need is present in the noble blood which flows in your veins!

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

2800 need to be banned because he flame every thread with sectarian Hatred

Unfortunately our friend from Tehran, first action after his month-long ban, was to use a fake photo as an avatar to stir trouble/controversy up and afterwards make comments about KSA and Arabs.

BTW his avatar is an absurd fantasy. The largest Persian/Iranian empire (still significantly smaller than the largest Arab and Semitic ones) was this size at its largest extent.


The Achaemenid Empire at its greatest territorial extent,
under the rule of Darius I (522 BC to 486 BC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire

So the map (his avatar) is pure fantasy. In fact a desperate provocation.

@SALMAN F it reminds me of that Barbarian fantasy map.

This time it's not Syria goverment, it's USA behind the Kurds. The main purpose of supporting YPG is to keep Erdogan under check. Syria goverment is doing Kurds a favor without costing them anything.
It's about whether Turkey dares to go against USA or not. NATO membership or national security?!

To be or not to be, it's a question.

The name of Border security force has fullly shown USA's intention.

And the tension escalation between USA and Turkey is able to indirectly relieve the pressure on Assad goverment.

Bashar al-Wahhish created this mess by himself. It is his fault that half of the world is involvement in a internal Syrian affair and his fault that so many Syrians have died and that millions (almost 8 million) have left Syria. That half of Syria is destroyed if not more. What would you say about the Chinese president and Communist party if they turned China into today's Syria? Why do most Chinese curse the Chinese rulers during the "century of humiliation"? Because they allowed China and Chinese people to be humiliated in front of the world and taken advantage of by foreigners (Westerners and Japanese). Why do most Chinese support today's system? Because China is a strong country today that nobody can take advantage of as before.

Every Syrian patriot spits on Bashar al-Wahhish's ugly face and his incompetent regime that is more worried about murdering its own sons and daughters in prisons (mass-muderers) than finding solutions.

Each single day innocent children are being barrel bombed and dying due to this insane regime. He has created a joke out of Syria that nobody in the world cares about because the insane has become normal.

Forget the US-China rivalry here for a while and look at this from an Syrian patriots view.

The mess that he has created (he deserves) but the average Syrian has nothing to do with it and he/she does not deserve it.

Bashar al-Wahhish can always escape to Russia and take all his bank accounts in Switzerland and Cayman Islands with him but the average Syrian is not this lucky.

As for terrorism (radical Jihadis) were deliberately freed by Bashar al-Wahhish initially to destroy the uprising. Bashar al-Wahhish was the main sponsor of Al-Qaeda in Iraq after the Iraq-US 2003 war.

You cannot imagine the filth of this regime. Prior to the civil war Syrians were living under martial law for almost 50 years in a row.

Still present martial law regime since the 1963 Syrian coup d'état is the longest ranging period of active martial law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law#_Syria

Syrians have lived under martial law for 54 years in a row since the Ba'ath coup d''état in 1963! Can you imagine that? Ruled by a traditionally extremely violent and backward community (Alawites = Nusayris) who infiltrated the Syrian army prior to 1963!

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Let us forget about religion. Both of us are blameworthy about Syria and Yemen.

About my avatar, it’s Achaemenid empire plus Sassanian.

I disagree here. KSA has stood with the Syrian people since the civil war in Syria began. KSA hosts almost 1 million Syrians, have donated huge amount of money to Syrian refugees in the neighborhood (KSA relief in Syria is working 24/7 for 6 years now) and KSA has supported the civilian Syrians from the barbarian actions of the Bashar al-Wahhish regime by arming them and aiding them. I fully support this. Radical groups emerged later and the biggest trojan horse (Daesh) real goals and who controls this group is better left unsaid as it is obvious to me. I believe that KSA is on the right side here since day 1.

I want to know what humanitarian aid Iran has given to Syria or Yemen and if they host any Syrians and Yemenis?

As for Yemen, KSA had to act as we cannot accept/allow all of Yemen to be hijacked by an incompetent terrorist cult which was founded in 1994 and ever since has waged several wars against the Yemeni state and people. Civilians will die in airstrikes (especially as the Houthi terrorist cult is hiding among civilians) but the casualties are not even 3% of those in Syria. Moreover more than half of the casualties in Yemen are killed by the Houthi terrorist cult according to the UN. However I of course do condemn such attacks (although they are no deliberate as KSA would gain nothing from this nor the Arab coalition or Yemeni army) and neither do I support it.

Your avatar is not accurate (historically).

Sassanian were a smaller empire than Achaemenids but if you want to act childish it is your choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires

Notice that when you were gone for 1.5 month I did not create a single thread about Iran or commented about Iran even once unless it was related to Arab threads or Arab affairs.

Now compare that to you since your return today.

I did not even make a single comment in that 54 pages long thread about mass-protests in Iran where 25 + Iranians were killed and many 1000's arrested.

 

[mahatir]

This is from 50 + years ago and was most likely forced upon them. However paying homage to the founder (George Washington) of the country that you visit (USA) is a normal custom by every head of state (King, President etc.)



Wikipedia is not a source and nothing but huge tombs were razed, which was a great decision, as some misguided people turned those tombs into pilgrimage sites and prayed to them. This is un-Islamic behavior.

Nonsense statistic. KSA is the country with most Islamic heritage in the world and the oldest. There is Islamic heritage everywhere you go in Hijaz.

Attack on Karbala (only a holy site in Shia ideology) is not proven and there is only 1 single source for this supposed attack. The reality is that Arab tribes across the border waged wars for power and attacks took place on both fronts.

This has nothing to do with Kurdish terrorists, Bashar al-Wahhish mass-murdering regime and the Nusayri terrorist cult being non-Muslims and historical enemies of Syria, Syrians Muslims and Arabs. They have a very long history of murdering Syrians, Muslims and Arabs. They are cursed and are not considered as Muslims by any Sunni Muslim sect.

Orthodox Shias do not consider them Muslims either. Pre-Khomeini Shia clerics in Iran considered them as non-Muslims. Due to politics (alliance with the cursed mass-murderer Hafiz al-Wahhish) this fatwa was changed.

A minority rule of uneducated peasants, isolated violent tribes (Nusayris in Syria), people who have amounted to nothing in history, mass-murderers of Syrians and destroyers of Syria, cannot rule Syria forever.

I know assad is an asshole but he remains much better than the mb or any Turkish backed regime . Turkey just like Iran hates Saudi Arabia with passion if not even more .

Saudi Arabia should stay out of Syria and the best thing is to see Syria partitioned among superpowers like Russia and USA with diminished roles for destabilizing forces like Iran and turkey .

Israel us the only winner out of this conflict ; they now have kurdish allies controlling 30% of the country including rich oil and gas field . They also have free hand to bomb whatever Iranian or hezbollah related targets whether bases or weapon convoys .

I am talking about tombs, not graves. Graves of all historical Islamic personalities exist in Makkah and Madinah to this day as do the cemeteries.

Building HUGE tombs to people (physical beings, no Prophets) and praying to those tombs has absolutely nothing to do with the Noble Qur'an, Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saws) or the practices of the As-Sahabah (ra).

As for pagan practices, building huge tombs and praying to them (ancestor worship) is exactly a remnant of pagan influences.

"Beware of those who preceded you(Jews and Christians) and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that." [Sahih Muslim 1:1083]

Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2121)

Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Do not pray facing towards the graves, and do not sit on them. (Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2122)

Praise be to Allaah.

1 – The issue of praying at graves

Praying at graves is of two types:

The first type is praying to the occupant of the grave. This is major shirk which puts a person beyond the pale of Islam, because prayer is an act of worship, and it is not permissible to do any act of worship to anyone other than Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Worship Allaah and join none with Him (in worship)”

[al-Nisa’ 4:36]

“Verily, Allaah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners (in worship) with Him, but He forgives whom He wills, sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allaah, has indeed strayed far away”

[al-Nisa’ 4:116]

The second type is praying to Allaah in the graveyard. This covers a number of issues:

1 – Praying the funeral (janaazah) prayer at the graveside, which is permissible.

Example: if a person dies and you are not able to offer the funeral prayer for him in the mosque, then it is permissible for you to offer the prayer for him after he is buried.

The evidence for this is that this is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that a black man or a black woman used to clean the mosque, and he (or she) died. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked about him and they said, “He died.” He said, “Why did you not tell me? Show me to his grave (or her grave).” So he went to the grave and offered the funeral prayer. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 458; Muslim, 956).

2 – Praying the funeral prayer in the graveyard, which is permissible

Example: a person dies and you are not able to offer the funeral prayer for him in the mosque, so you go to the graveyard and offer the prayer there before he is buried.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “It is permissible to offer the funeral prayer for the deceased inside the graveyard just as it is permissible to offer the funeral prayer for him after he is buried, because it was proven that a woman used to clean the mosque and she died. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked about her and they said, ‘She died.’ He said, ‘Why did you not tell me? Show me to her grave.’ So they showed him and he offered the prayer for her, then he said, ‘These graves are filled with darkness for their occupants, but Allaah illuminates them by my prayer over them.’” (Narrated by Muslim, 956.)

From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 8/392

3 – Praying in the graveyard – apart from the funeral (janaazah) prayer – this prayer is invalid and does not count, whether it is an obligatory prayer or a naafil prayer.

The evidence for that is as follows:

(i) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “All the earth is a mosque apart from the graveyards and bathrooms.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 317; Ibn Maajah, 745; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah, 606).

(ii) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the Jews and the Christians, for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 435; Muslim, 529).

(iii) Praying in graveyards may be a means that leads to worshipping the graves, or to imitating those who worship graves. Hence, because the kaafirs used to prostrate to the sun as it was rising and setting, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade us to pray when the sun is rising or setting, lest that be taken as a means that leads to worshipping the sun instead of Allaah, or to resembling the kuffaar.

4 – Praying towards the graveyard, which is haraam, according to the correct opinion.

Example: you pray with a graveyard or grave in the direction of your qiblah, but you are not praying in the graveyard, rather you are praying on some other ground that is close to the graveyard, with no wall or barrier between you and it.

The evidence for this being haraam:

(i) It was narrated that Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not sit on graves, or pray towards them.” (Narrated by Muslim, 972). This indicates that it is haraam to pray towards graveyards or towards graves or towards a single grave.

(ii) The reason why it is not allowed to pray towards a graveyard is the same as the reason why it is not allowed to pray towards a grave. So long as a person is facing towards the grave or graveyard in such a way that it may be said that he is praying towards it, then this comes under the prohibition, and if it comes under the prohibition then it is not valid, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Do not pray …” The prohibition here is on praying, so if a person prays towards a grave, he is combining obedience and disobedience, and it is not possible to draw closer to Allaah in such a manner.

Note: If there is a wall between you and the graveyard, then the basic principle is that it is acceptable to pray in this case and it is not prohibited. Similarly, if there is a street or a considerable distance which would mean that you cannot be regarded as praying towards the graves, then this is acceptable. And Allaah knows best.

See al-Mughni, 1/403; al-Sharh al-Mumti’ by Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 2/232.

2 – The issue of intercession

You were mistaken when you said that no one will intercede on the Day of Resurrection except the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Rather the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) will intercede and so will others among the believers. See Question no. 11931.

But we will add here an issue that was not mentioned there, which is that there are conditions attached to intercession:

1 – Permission must be granted by Allaah to the intercessor to intercede.

2 – Allaah must approve of the one for whom intercession is to be made.

The evidence for these two conditions is the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allaah has given leave for whom He wills and is pleased with”

[al-Najm 53:26]

“and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:28]

As for the imaginary intercession which the idol-worshippers think their gods perform for them, this is an invalid intercession, for Allaah does not permit intercession unless He is pleased both with the intercessor and those for whom intercession is made.

See al-Qawl al-Mufeed Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed by Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), p. 336-337.

The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the believers will intercede does not justify asking them to intercede, as some people do when they ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to intercede for them even after his death.

https://islamqa.info/en/13490

Huge tombs/mausoleums like found in Iran for the likes of Khomeini (who claimed to be God's representative on earth, astaghfirullah) has nothing to do with Islam.







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mausoleum_of_Ruhollah_Khomeini

What kind of absurd paganism is this?

Can you imagine something similar for Saudi Arabian kings?

Instead they are buried like commoners and like all Muslims should be buried. In humble graves.

In comparison this is the grave of the late King Abdullah (a much wealthier and much more influential person)



Can you spot the difference?

What do you think is more in line with the monotheistic tradition inherited from Prophet Ibrahim (As) almost 5000 years ago?

Did the As-Sahabah (followers of Prophet Muhammad) built anything remotely similar to Prophet Muhammad (saws) when he died? The answer is no.

We are on the path of Islamic orthodoxy like known throughout 1400 years. We do not accept innovations.

I disagree here. KSA has stood with the Syrian people since the civil war in Syria began. KSA hosts almost 1 million Syrians, have donated huge amount of money to Syrian refugees in the neighborhood (KSA relief in Syria is working 24/7 for 6 years now) and KSA has supported the civilian Syrians from the barbarian actions of the Bashar al-Wahhish regime by arming them and aiding them. I fully support this. Radical groups emerged later and the biggest trojan horse (Daesh) real goals and who controls this group is better left unsaid as it is obvious to me. I believe that KSA is on the right side here since day 1.

I want to know what humanitarian aid Iran has given to Syria or Yemen and if they host any Syrians and Yemenis?

As for Yemen, KSA had to act as we cannot accept/allow all of Yemen to be hijacked by an incompetent terrorist cult which was founded in 1994 and ever since has waged several wars against the Yemeni state and people. Civilians will die in airstrikes (especially as the Houthi terrorist cult is hiding among civilians) but the casualties are not even 3% of those in Syria. Moreover more than half of the casualties in Yemen are killed by the Houthi terrorist cult according to the UN. However I of course do condemn such attacks (although they are no deliberate as KSA would gain nothing from this nor the Arab coalition or Yemeni army) and neither do I support it.

Your avatar is not accurate (historically).

Sassanian were a smaller empire than Achaemenids but if you want to act childish it is your choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires

Notice that when you were gone for 1.5 month I did not create a single thread about Iran or commented about Iran even once unless it was related to Arab threads or Arab affairs.

Now compare that to you since your return today.

I did not even make a single comment in that 54 pages long thread about mass-protests in Iran where 25 + Iranians were killed and many 1000's arrested.

Syrians don't deserve any support and assad is the best thing they could ask before . He is the best medicine for mb and their affiliates ; let's enjoy seeing them finishing off each other

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I know assad is an asshole but he remains much better than the mb or any Turkish backed regime . Turkey just like Iran hates Saudi Arabia with passion if not even more .

Saudi Arabia should stay out of Syria and the best thing is to see Syria partitioned among superpowers like Russia and USA with diminished roles for destabilizing forces like Iran and turkey .

Israel us the only winner out of this conflict ; they now have kurdish allies controlling 30% of the country including rich oil and gas field . They also have free hand to bomb whatever Iranian or hezbollah related targets whether bases or weapon convoys .

I do not have any fear for the MB (although I disagree with many of their teachings) and MB will never rule Syria. In fact they only rule 1 single Arab country (Sudan) and that is done by force and not due to Sudanese people being MB fanboys from birth. I disagree with GCC rules of this obsession about the MB after studying the situation myself. The fear is blown out of proportion. Targeting Islamists (Arab Islamists) is a complete idiotic policy and counterproductive. Islamists are not enemies or dangerous people. Only a tiny amount of Jihadists are and they are already being dealt with. We cannot oppress any community in the Arab world unless that community threatens the stability of nations and the livelihood of people. Most Islamists do not do that. I know several Islamists in person and they are not dangerous people and they love their countries and people.

Nor is Turkey going to dictate what a system or who Syrians elect. That was not the case pre-2011 nor will it be the case once Syria recovers and is liberated. KSA and the Arab world will not allow foreigners to create a puppet regime in any Arab country. This project in Iraq (from the Iranian part, which they spent almost 30 years on) has failed today. And it will fail even more for each year as Iraqis are tired of those Mullah's and pseudo-Islamist parties. One corruption scandal after the other. 70% of all Iraqis are below 30% and are becoming more and more educated. They know what is going on in the GCC, West etc. and they can compare their living standards with such places despite being filthy rich in terms of oil and gas and other recourses as well.

KSA already focuses on Yemen mostly nowadays and before that Iraq. Syria is a third priority if not lower. However KSA will continue to support the Syrian people and their legitimate struggles.

USA in 2003 was 1000 times more powerful than today's Russia and they were forced to leave Iraq after 8 + years due to mainly Iraqi Sunni Arab fierce resistance that killed more US soldiers than Afghans have since 2001 (despite their geography being much easier for ambush) to this very day. Russians will leave Syria too eventually or limit their influence to a base in Tartus. Russia is better off having good/cordial relations with Arab Sunnis (400 million + people) and states like KSA, Egypt, UAE, Jordan, Morocco, Algeria (99,9% Sunni), Qatar etc. than a incompetent Nusayri regime (Bashar al-Wahhish). A deal can easily be reached between a future ruler of Syria and Russia where Russian interests will be taken into notice but without becoming anti-Western. Just like KSA is doing with the West, (USA and EU), China (our largest trade partner) and Russia (nowadays). Similar to Egypt BTW and UAE. A wise policy.

Yes, Israel and Russia are the main winners and the US as well since they have (at last - first time since 1963) gained access to Syria.

As for Turkey hating KSA (I highly doubt this) and if I am not wrong, a few years ago, a Turkish survey showed that KSA had one the most favorite ratings among foreign countries among Turks. 1000's of Youtube comments that I have seen from Turks towards KSA and Arabs, also prove you wrong. There is regional competition but you cannot compare it with the Iranian Mullah's at all. Even despite the Qatar issue, trade and relations continue. Turkey's PM visited KSA less than 1 month ago. There is no hatred people to people either. So I disagree here and I am no fan of Erdogan.

 

[Aramagedon]

I disagree here. KSA has stood with the Syrian people since the civil war in Syria began. KSA hosts almost 1 million Syrians, have donated huge amount of money to Syrian refugees in the neighborhood (KSA relief in Syria is working 24/7 for 6 years now) and KSA has supported the civilian Syrians from the barbarian actions of the Bashar al-Wahhish regime by arming them and aiding them. I fully support this. Radical groups emerged later and the biggest trojan horse (Daesh) real goals and who controls this group is better left unsaid as it is obvious to me. I believe that KSA is on the right side here since day 1.

I want to know what humanitarian aid Iran has given to Syria or Yemen and if they host any Syrians and Yemenis?

As for Yemen, KSA had to act as we cannot accept/allow all of Yemen to be hijacked by an incompetent terrorist cult which was founded in 1994 and ever since has waged several wars against the Yemeni state and people. Civilians will die in airstrikes (especially as the Houthi terrorist cult is hiding among civilians) but the casualties are not even 3% of those in Syria. Moreover more than half of the casualties in Yemen are killed by the Houthi terrorist cult according to the UN. However I of course do condemn such attacks (although they are no deliberate as KSA would gain nothing from this nor the Arab coalition or Yemeni army) and neither do I support it.

Your avatar is not accurate (historically).

Sassanian were a smaller empire than Achaemenids but if you want to act childish it is your choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires

Notice that when you were gone for 1.5 month I did not create a single thread about Iran or commented about Iran even once unless it was related to Arab threads or Arab affairs.

Now compare that to you since your return today.

I did not even make a single comment in that 54 pages long thread about mass-protests in Iran where 25 + Iranians were killed and many 1000's arrested.

It was you came up here put wahhabi videos and said Alawites are not Muslims. Assad [Nusayri!] is not Muslim, Assad wife is Muslim because she is Sunni!!!, this that bullshit.....

I’m going to waste my time for u anymore

Live in your small world where you takfir other Muslims but always keep your eyes closed toward Zionists

 

[Aramagedon]

"Wahhabi" for the billionth time, is a non-existing word or people. Al-Wahhab as I already wrote to you is 1 of the 99 names of Allah (swt). It is forbidden to make fun of the names of Allah (swt) and associate such names with negativity. Secondly none of those videos have anything to do with Hanbalis (your so-called imaginary Wahhabis and 1 of the 4 recognized Sunni madahib - all madahib, Sunni as well as Shia are found and followed ingeniously in KSA) but Muslim clerics of various sects and Syrians.

NUsayris (Alawites) are not Muslims because 99% of all Islamic sects and scholars of the past and today do not recognize them. How many times must I mention to you that Iranian clerics (Shia) pre-1979, considered them as non-Muslims and this fatwa was only changed for political reason due to Hafiz al-Wahhish (main enemy of Saddam Hussein who was Khomeini's main regional enemy hence the Iranian-Syrian "friendship") and Khomeini becoming allies during the Iraq-Iran war. That is why Syria supported Iran openly against its fellow Arab (Ba'athi moreover) state and neighbor moreover.

One cannot be a Muslim if he/she mass-murderers fellow Muslims, invites non-Muslims to his country to destroy it further and moreover commits crimes of untold scale. Well, you can, but you will be an enormous sinner, however Bashar al-Wahhish was not a Muslim from birth due to his family's Nusayri beliefs which have nothing to do with Islam.

Nusayris (Alawites) are like Druze and other pseudo-Islamic Semitic religions. They consider Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) as a God (Astaghfirullah). They mix ancient Semitic pre-Abrahamic religions with Judaism, Christianity and Islam (Shia Islam only hence their veneration of Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra)).

If Nusayris are Muslims so are the Baha'i (an Iranian religion created 200 years ago) that the Iranian Mullah's are persecuting since 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Bahá'ís

Next time you will tell me that Yazidis are Muslims too?

Understand that one as a Muslim cannot compromise on your belief. At least I cannot do that. Because once I do it I stop becoming a Muslim or a religious person. It makes no sense to treat religion as a Swedish buffet.

As I wrote Islam is a very simple religion to follow.

What Muslims I ask?

Even though I strongly disagree with certain Shia Twelver beliefs, I do believe that Shia Muslims are Muslims, even Khomeini and Khamenei although very misguided ones.

However Nusayris are not Muslims due to their core beliefs being corrupted and having little to do with Islam.

They treat Ali bin Abi Talib (ra) in a same manner as Christians treat Prophet (Isa - AS) (Jesus). In Christianity Prophet Isa (as) is considered as the reincarnation of God in human form. One cannot be Muslim if he does such a thing. Just 1 out of many non-Islamic practices of theirs. This equals Prophet Muhammad (saws) being the flesh and blood of God in human form.

I have already posted long documentaries about this.

They explain everything in detail and use historical sources and own Nusayri sources. I did not post any clips of clerics calling for their killings. I did not break any rules in other words. Calling a spade a spade (Nusayris being non-Muslim) is not against the forum rules last time I checked. Or stating a fact (the brutality of the Bashar al-Wahhish regime).

Hell, most Alawites in Syria, if you asked them prior to 2011, did not consider themselves Muslims. They considered themselves Alawites and unique.

Just like Druze do in Southern Syria and Lebanon.

You do not speak Arabic and are not familiar with this topic as I am.

Alawites (Nusayris) have historically been a secretive community due to their beliefs that they have hidden form mainstream Muslims (Sunni as well as Shia).

There are special rituals to even become an Nusayri that only trusted people can take. It is similar to Mormons in the US.

I can give you book titles about them in Arabic and English and you can educate yourself about them. You are only defending them due to Iranian Mullah's being the allies of the Bashar al-Wahhish regime. If they were your enemies, you would be of another opinion. We all know this.

Religious flaming...

 

[SubWater]

But, you know Syrian Government acted the same way when we initiated the Euphrates Shield operation and nothing happened.

This time is different.
Your opposite side is Kurds not ISIS and SAA 2018 not SAA 2016.
I believe that your commanders are smart enough to don't fall in trap like what happen for KSA in 2015.
you can start war with Syrians but you can not finish it.

 

[-SINAN-]

This time is different.
Your opposite side is Kurds not ISIS and SAA 2018 not SAA 2016.
I believe that your commanders are smart enough to don't fall in trap like what happen for KSA in 2015.
you can start war with Syrians but you can not finish it.

Hımm, i don't agree with you but i don't wanna get into discussion since our problem in this case is not with SAA but YPG.

I want to ask another question, establishing a Kurdish country in Syria within the interests of Iran ?

 

[SubWater]

Hımm, i don't agree with you but i don't wanna get into discussion since our problem in this case is not with SAA but YPG.

I want to ask another question, establishing a Kurdish country in Syria within the interests of Iran ?

Answering to this question is difficult and complicated.
I can say both Yes and No.
this is one of the IRGC news website
https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/822436/اردوغان-برای-شهر-منبج-هم-رجزخوانی-کرد-استقرار-نیروهای-ویژه-ارتش

In short They are spreading news how Kurds (Syrian citizen) are suffering from Turkey army bombardment.

Tehran sees Syria part of the war with USA and Israel.
also Iran does not have any border with Syria and does not feel threat from Kurds. Kurds are not big minority in Iran and at least half of them are shia or related shia sect.
But you are Turkey your country name and Ideology is after ethnic you feel threat from anybody who is not Turk.