Dalai Lama says Chinese hardliners have parts of brain missing

[The Eagle]

I rest my case!!

Re-read the post to understand.. lol.... the context in which I said as what if he is deliberately playing a victim card yet being supported widely.

 

[egodoc222]

The Chinese cannot control him since he is living in India. He is free to say whatever he wishes, but all I'm advocating for is open dialogue between him and Beijing.

Precisely my point!! Give Tibetian people and Buddhist religion enough freedom to express themselves...so they don't have to escape into neighbouring country for their voices to be heard!!

hehe, then please tell me which part they want me to believe and you think is false.

I can't spoon feed you my friend!! If you look at things deep enough you'll find the truth!!

Re-read the post to understand.. lol.... the context in which I said as what if he is deliberately playing a victim card yet being supported widely.

Lol...he is lama...he doesn't have to play victim for attention!!
He is like a Pope for the Buddhists!

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Simple. You can't just commit treason, then later says you changed your mind and hope to be forgiven.

old guy must have known he accumulated enough bad karma, that is preventing his incarnation. That's why he goes up against buddhism teachings. He knows bad things awaits him in afterlife.

 

[nang2]

He is like a Pope for the Buddhists!

Buddhists have many Popes at the same time. A different one for a different group.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Buddhists have many Popes at the same time. A different one for a different group.

So do several groups of Christians with their own Pope. Your point being?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_of_the_Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria

 

[nang2]

So do several groups of Christians with their own Pope. Your point being?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_of_the_Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria

My point being he is not a Pope for all Buddhists.

 

[schoolboy]

The case doesn't seem political hence

Well it is not a criminal case - since China has never claimed he is a wanted criminal - forget about convicting him, they have never even chargesheeted him.

Now imagine this

A Pakistani travels to Iran. The Nawaz Sharif government starts demanding his return but does not file an FIR, no chargesheet, no court summons, no conviction, nothing. Yet ever so often the FM / HM / DM issue statements asking Iranians to stop meeting that chap.

What else do you call this except political persecution?

Do you remember some time back when a Uighur leader (Dolkun Isa) settled in Germany was scheduled to visit India for a conference on Uighurs. He was granted an Indian visa - and then China protested [unsurprisingly] but this time they brought it to everyone's attention that the guy had a pending Interpol Red Corner notice against him? Since that was a legal problem his visa was ultimately cancelled. That is the legal way to go about it.

Just like as if China officially met with India's insurgent groups.

The leaders of the insurgency groups in India (Rajkhowa, Baruah, Khapling, etc.) are typically under trial facing criminal charges for various counts of violence, etc. Protesting in such circumstances is consistent with treating them as criminal defendants.

If DL has broken the law in China (by stoking separatism for example) China should prosecute him. If not there's little use protesting.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

He is not ending it .....the penchan lama he found was abducted by cpc and no one knows where he is now.....according to the Buddhist belief....penchan lama finds the new dalai lama....once the present Dalai lama leaves this world!!
Cpc wants to end Buddhism!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchen_Lama
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-32771242

Lol, it has got nothing to do with Buddhism.

The whole system of Lamas, is a POLITICAL set-up.

It is like the catholic church.

 

[The Eagle]

Well it is not a criminal case - since China has never claimed he is a wanted criminal - forget about convicting him, they have never even chargesheeted him.

Now imagine this

A Pakistani travels to Iran. The Nawaz Sharif government starts demanding his return but does not file an FIR, no chargesheet, no court summons, no conviction, nothing. Yet ever so often the FM / HM / DM issue statements asking Iranians to stop meeting that chap.

What else do you call this except political persecution?

Do you remember some time back when a Uighur leader (Dolkun Isa) settled in Germany was scheduled to visit India for a conference on Uighurs. He was granted an Indian visa - and then China protested [unsurprisingly] but this time they brought it to everyone's attention that the guy had a pending Interpol Red Corner notice against him? Since that was a legal problem his visa was ultimately cancelled. That is the legal way to go about it.

Dalai Lama being a Pope type personality, shouldn't be involved in some territorial dispute after all, he is a religious person then should continue his practice without being bound to any limits or territory that as such is not his job but the way he is being praised through years by almost every anti-China player, the case is not just that simple.

 

[schoolboy]

Dalai Lama being a Pope type personality, shouldn't be involved in some territorial dispute after all, he is a religious person then should continue his practice without being bound to any limits or territory that as such is not his job but the way he is being praised through years by almost every anti-China player, the case is not just that simple.

Hi

i'm sure you will agree with me that

- most separatists are violent;
- tibetan separatism has been entirely non-violent [if anything some monks set themselves on fire];
- the DL has never advocated use of force [unlike say IRA];
- The DL is praised by plenty of countries and leaders who have hardly any relation with China, let alone being anti-China [it would be different if only the US and Indian leadership visited him];
- The DL himself has acknowledged Tibetan annexation - what he desires is a degree of autonomy. To call that separatism is a bit over-the-top

That's why I'm critical of Chinese statements on the Dalai Lama - which just go to show how much they fear him.

 

[Peshwa]

Dalai Lama being a Pope type personality, shouldn't be involved in some territorial dispute after all, he is a religious person then should continue his practice without being bound to any limits or territory that as such is not his job but the way he is being praised through years by almost every anti-China player, the case is not just that simple.

The position of the pope is both a religious and political figure.
The Pope is the religious head of the catholics and the head of state of the Vatican which is considered a sovereign.
Similarly, the Dalai Lama is the religious and spiritual head of Tibetan Buddhism and the head of state of Tibet pre Chinese intervention.

 

[The Eagle]

Hi

i'm sure you will agree with me that

- most separatists are violent;
- tibetan separatism has been entirely non-violent [if anything some monks set themselves on fire];
- the DL has never advocated use of force [unlike say IRA];
- The DL is praised by plenty of countries and leaders who have hardly any relation with China, let alone being anti-China [it would be different if only the US and Indian leadership visited him];
- The DL himself has acknowledged Tibetan annexation - what he desires is a degree of autonomy. To call that separatism is a bit over-the-top

That's why I'm critical of Chinese statements on the Dalai Lama - which just go to show how much they fear him.

Actually, the thing here is, a country felt a state within state like so it is there issue. However, on other hand when an enemy or rival is supporting an anti-state type figure then things goes somewhere offensive and being provoked. Hope you understand.

The position of the pope is both a religious and political figure.
The Pope is the religious head of the catholics and the head of state of the Vatican which is considered a sovereign.
Similarly, the Dalai Lama is the religious and spiritual head of Tibetan Buddhism and the head of state of Tibet pre Chinese intervention.

That is what I said in different context that someone like DL shouldn't care about territorial issues but should continue with his religion and teaching for the people in this case. How China intervened, that holds history and there are two sides that opponent read it contrary to what China says.

 

[Peshwa]

That is what I said in different context that someone like DL shouldn't care about territorial issues but should continue with his religion and teaching for the people in this case. How China intervened, that holds history and there are two sides that opponent read it contrary to what China says.

Personally I have no problem with how China deals with the sovereignty of Tibet. That is not the issue for India (though India can make it one at the cost of opening up another sore point), Its a matter between the Tibetian Govt. in exile and China. As long as Dalai Lama does not use his exile in India to inspire violent revolt in Tibet, I dont see any problems with his actions or his presence, NOR should the Chinese.
Yes there are two sides to the story, and the one we hear is about China breaking norms and abducting the Panchen Lama (or as they would call it, raising the Panchen Lama). They claim that he is alive and well, yet they placed a defacto Panchen Lama of their (Chinas) choice. Why the need for a new PL when the one chosen as per the norms is alive and kicking? This goes directly against all norms of Tibetan Buddhist tradition.

If your argument is that DL should restrict himself to spiritual and religious issues, then dont you think the Chinese have directly interfered in the spiritual and religious traditions of the Tibetan Buddhists breaking norm by first abducting and then placing a "puppet" Panchen Lama? Why did China make it political when it was meant to be religious in the first place?
Can you shed your opinion on it? Do you think there are two sides to this as well?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I do not profess to be a big fan of the Dalai Lama (simply not in my orbit of interests) but he's right on this. China has made a mess of its Dalai Lama policy.

Best would have been to simply ignore him and refrain from comment. Instead it yells each time some head of state meets with the DL, threatens quite un-diplomatically all kinds of terrible consequences and gets into a hissing fit that usually only highlights or strengthens the DL's hand. It would be fair to say a great fraction of his current profile is actually due to Chinese efforts. It has also created a harmless way for foreigners to snub China - who simply have to meet him to convey their feelings to Beijing.

If China just keep ignore him, other nations will take as for granted to meddle into Chinese internal affaire, so by yelling out loud , we will make those who harbor Dalai or any state meeting with him guilty of hurting China's interest so it will use that as excuse to nullify some political contention such as India's CPEC objection .

The longer India harbor him, the better is for China so we can use him as excuse to shut India's mouth on some other political issue...simply said Dalai Lama is double edge sword for India, China can use him as well to hurt India interest, you can call that a win-win or a lose-lose.

 

[friendly_troll96]

Dalai a. Lama pa lao innu