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CZ OFFICIAL CONFIRMS NEGOTIATION AGREEMENT WITH PAKISTAN

Hazrat, "WHY" are the SSG not interested in this weapon if it passed all tests with flying colours, btw are you referring to SCAR H or SCAR L which according to some has issues with accuracy...no different than the Berreta,,,,,, and you stated Spec-ops have ordered SCAR ,,,is it H or piss poor accuracy L! a clarification would be much appreciated.
They already have lot of weapons so they are not so desperate to get there hands on SCAR. But yes eventually they will get SCAR. Right now priority is infantry and LCB
 
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They already have lot of weapons so they are not so desperate to get there hands on SCAR. But yes eventually they will get SCAR. Right now priority is infantry and LCB
What version???? the H or the inaccurate L.
 
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I was SCAR fan because I believed that SCAR is best Gun in accuracy and range and firepower and guess what after Pakistan trials it was proved that I was right. The only real challenger for SCAR in the market is HK-417 and that didn't came due to Germany's policy. I was the first one to raise question on Beretta accuracy but as you and others supported it so much so I thought may be I am wrong, but turns out I was right.

I never thought AK-103 would fail endurance test in fact the test which I thought that any AK would survive and was endurance test and will be okay in accuracy test but to my surprise in fact I would say shocked that AK-103 failed endurance test. BREN I always had doubts that would pass endurance test but initial reports suggested it passed the trials but turns out it didn't. But as design is new and improvements can be made so I think Pakistan will continue with BREN in x 39 category also because we have Police to equip, with POF making some changes to suit our environment. SCAR is not my finance or my wife. It's best weapon in the market and I want my soldiers to be equipped with best just like I want best bullet proof and best helmets for our soldiers. Also latest optics.


Both SCAR and BREN are ready to give full TOT but also permission to export so developing new versions on our own won't be a issue and neither they would disallow it. The biggest thing is a company allowing another country to not only make but also export them so other things already don't matter that much. ALso from FN we will get Machine Gun and Sniper Guns can't say about handguns
Hazrat you must understand. everything you say comes from horus and no one can verify it either, then the problem is you make some incredible claims that once again cannot be verified as only you have the source that cannot be disclosed!

You have the right to do fanboyism for SCAR, no one will say anything else BUT let other people discuss the rifle they want! is that fair? instead of being an agent for FN how about neutrality. The concept of neutrality is known to you I know it.

It has nothing to do with rifle failing either! let me be clear on it!!

as always; SCAR is the best rifle in Trials :partay::partay:

Hazrat, "WHY" are the SSG not interested in this weapon if it passed all tests with flying colours, btw are you referring to SCAR H or SCAR L which according to some has issues with accuracy...no different than the Berreta,,,,,, and you stated Spec-ops have ordered SCAR ,,,is it H or piss poor accuracy L! a clarification would be much appreciated.
Have you seen the Colombian chap who pointed out the SCAR fiasco in Peru?
 
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What version???? the H or the inaccurate L.
Special Forces will go for both versions. And L is not inaccurate but quite good much better than M4.

Hazrat you must understand. everything you say comes from horus and no one can verify it either, then the problem is you make some incredible claims that once again cannot be verified as only you have the source that cannot be disclosed!

You have the right to do fanboyism for SCAR, no one will say anything else BUT let other people discuss the rifle they want! is that fair? instead of being an agent for FN how about neutrality. The concept of neutrality is known to you I know it.

It has nothing to do with rifle failing either! let me be clear on it!!

as always; SCAR is the best rifle in Trials :partay::partay:


Have you seen the Colombian chap who pointed out the SCAR fiasco in Peru?
Yes and that doesn't concern us.
 
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Have you seen the Colombian chap who pointed out the SCAR fiasco in Peru?
He is not the only one. Look up on the internet. There are many other similar concers from multiple sources. I hope a wise decision is made here. As for our bahi saying that beretta failed or CZ failed, its BS. Again, i saw that recomendation letter MYSELF!!! Two guns are given the nod of approval and business negotiations are on going, however a bit quite on that front for some weeks now. A third gun was okeyed as 2nd option.

As for x51, The CZ option was also evaluated later on (most probably once the x39 from same comapny was found to be the best they were afforded a late entry inx51 and was evaluated. However i cannot confirm that the evaluation was part of official x51 trials but it was checked nonetheless)
 
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Hazrat you must understand. everything you say comes from horus and no one can verify it either, then the problem is you make some incredible claims that once again cannot be verified as only you have the source that cannot be disclosed!

You have the right to do fanboyism for SCAR, no one will say anything else BUT let other people discuss the rifle they want! is that fair? instead of being an agent for FN how about neutrality. The concept of neutrality is known to you I know it.

It has nothing to do with rifle failing either! let me be clear on it!!

as always; SCAR is the best rifle in Trials :partay::partay:


Have you seen the Colombian chap who pointed out the SCAR fiasco in Peru?
Those are not incredible claims dude we are not going to make our source stand in front of you so you can verify it. And @Horus of this forum has most sources
 
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Those are not incredible claims dude we are not going to make our source stand in front of you so you can verify it. And @Horus of this forum has most sources
Hazrat I follow you on twitter and you post a lot of Hadith. What is the procedure of making sure that a source is verifiable? In Islam.

He is not the only one. Look up on the internet. There are many other similar concers from multiple sources. I hope a wise decision is made here. As for our bahi saying that beretta failed or CZ failed, its BS. Again, i saw that recomendation letter MYSELF!!! Two guns are given the nod of approval and business negotiations are on going, however a bit quite on that front for some weeks now. A third gun was okeyed as 2nd option.

As for x51, The CZ option was also evaluated later on (most probably once the x39 from same comapny was found to be the best they were afforded a late entry inx51 and was evaluated. However i cannot confirm that the evaluation was part of official x51 trials but it was checked nonetheless)
Another thing is US military was all set to adopt SCAR platform Even their Spec-Ops used them. I remember the Rangers battalion made it standard issue to them. Then suddenly they dropped?? No explanation given and they went back to AR platform now US army and marines are tilting toward HK416!
 
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Whaaaaaaaaaaa I thought SCAR was Winning the Trials what happened ???????
Yes it's SCAR was competing in x 51 category and in that it has won BREN was main contender in x 39 in that category
 
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Another thing is US military was all set to adopt SCAR platform Even their Spec-Ops used them. I remember the Rangers battalion made it standard issue to them. Then suddenly they dropped?? No explanation given and they went back to AR platform now US army and marines are tilting toward HK416!

True, such news have been surfacing every now and then. Should be kept an eye on for sure by the military top brass. FN SCAR have been having some unknown issues with multiple users now. Keeping all this in mind, i am not sure how Pakistan is going to proceed with it.

@Zarvan how can YOU overlook this man? I though you were following every development related to SCAR have have got that covered. How come you never pointed out such failures? o_O
 
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True, such news have been surfacing every now and then. Should be kept an eye on for sure by the military top brass. FN SCAR have been having some unknown issues with multiple users now. Keeping all this in mind, i am not sure how Pakistan is going to proceed with it.
They can pilot the FN SCAR - or other new guns - for 2-3 years, e.g. with SOF, LEAs, LCBs, etc. Enough heavy field usage with these guys could provide an insight into the long-term utility of these new rifles.
 
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They can pilot the FN SCAR - or other new guns - for 2-3 years, e.g. with SOF, LEAs, LCBs, etc. Enough heavy field usage with these guys could provide an insight into the long-term utility of these new rifles.
They should sir. Considering how there are reports of troubles, specially with SCAR, surfacing elsewhere.
 
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They should sir. Considering how there are reports of troubles, specially with SCAR, surfacing elsewhere.
We know the BREN had problems, but the Czech Gov't and CZ have been open about them and have kept rolling out improvements. The CZ-806 BREN 2 was basically designed to rectify faults in the CZ-805. By trying to reduce weight, reduce recoil, increase accuracy, offer modularity, etc, these new rifles have design issues, all of them do (including HK-416 in the earlier years). I think flaws should be accepted as fact, but with a provision that they be improved via new versions on a frequent basis.
 
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We know the BREN had problems, but the Czech Gov't and CZ have been open about them and have kept rolling out improvements. The CZ-806 BREN 2 was basically designed to rectify faults in the CZ-805. By trying to reduce weight, reduce recoil, increase accuracy, offer modularity, etc, these new rifles have design issues, all of them do (including HK-416 in the earlier years). I think flaws should be accepted as fact, but with a provision that they be improved via new versions on a frequent basis.
Exactly, CZ have been very very active at addressing the issues and have kept rolling new version, it is essentially an evolved gun that we were testing. FN on other hand have been a bit stagnant or should i say stubborn with there product. Anyway, when the trials were on going i stated this multiple times that Pakistan is going to induct the gun in batches. There will be some thousand guns inducted and put through real life scenario on the battlefield. Those findings will mean changes in the gun or maybe even a change of the gun entirely. This makes sense but there were people who were not willing to agree with this at all stating that the gun finalized will be for whole army. The media and news outlets, even the army sources may state the same for sure as we do not want to piss off our supplier but surely the induction will be in batches and the real life performance will effect further procurement. This is who it should be and how it is most likely to be. Thank you for pointing it out once again. :)
 
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