CWG will be better than Beijing Olympics: Kalmadi

[huzihaidao12]

Japan since war has been a flourishing democracy and economy
simultaneously

Real one-party system for many years, and the U.S. military occupation and American blood to Japan to confront the Soviet Union and China . And Japan's industrial foundation is laid before the war.

 

[Pride]

Well, in view of India's "special" status, in fact, I can agree that democracy is a good choice in India, not because of other reasons, as I said, democracy as a "narcotic, I believe" on the Indian society is a loose rare stabilizers and adhesives. This is the Indian community is greater than all else.

I strongly believe India's democracy is still best for its people like me. We have proper rights and sense of respect for our constitution. Leaders come and go, they follow and break rules but sense for Republic Democratic India remains alive... felt like narcotics.. right? can't help it..

 

[peacekeeper]

I strongly believe India's democracy is still best for its people like me. We have proper rights and sense of respect for our constitution. Leaders come and go, they follow and break rules but sense for Republic Democratic India remains alive... felt like narcotics.. right? can't help it..

And that narcotics always gives us the power to move forward no matter how bad the situation is
There is no loos hope

 

[huzihaidao12]

And there are many developing countries for which this is best choice to end tyranny and move towards democracy

Otherwise they will always remain stagnant
Because with proper political democracy changes ought to take place but with autocrative rule you are never sure

Not necessarily, I said, the East Asian countries have developed, but what other democratic countries in Asia, you know. As for the change, the East Asian countries have a good example, not a unique example. East Asian countries in line to democracy, because the increase in GDP, the increase in life the people, higher education, beginning with political demands, coupled with the international environment, not the more distant reality, of course, everything has risk, need to work, this is no exception.

 

[Pride]

Moot point India never had to opportunity or circumstance to follow east Asian model while China can conceivably make a similar transition.

India could not have been formed as a nation without Democracy right from the start.

Tell me, Why you are linking development with democracy? Development depends upon economic policies government follow and situation of a nation (regarding natural and man made calamities like tsunami, War etc) while democracy is a political phenomenon. China accepted open economy in '79 and we did the same in '91 hence they are ahead.

And we became democratic in 26 Jan 1950 so if you are talking about those 2.5 years then we were not democratic. The only problem we had was only single party was incharge and no proper opposition was available which is required in any democratic system.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I strongly believe India's democracy is still best for its people like me. We have proper rights and sense of respect for our constitution. Leaders come and go, they follow and break rules but sense for Republic Democratic India remains alive... felt like narcotics.. right? can't help it..

As long as all of India to believe that he is a good thing, but India has some people do not believe, and India paper or electronic ballot to make people believe in democracy, however, some Indians do not believe, like Maoism, they do vote with their feet that is true ballot, even with blood and life, and this also is the most true history of mankind votes. Key economic, paper or electronic ballot of "democracy", "believe" can overcome "foot" and "life" of the vote? At present, the uncertain outcome.

 

[peacekeeper]

Not necessarily, I said, the East Asian countries have developed, but what other democratic countries in Asia, you know. As for the change, the East Asian countries have a good example, not a unique example. East Asian countries in line to democracy, because the increase in GDP, the increase in life the people, higher education, beginning with political demands, coupled with the international environment, not the more distant reality, of course, everything has risk, need to work, this is no exception.

Which other asian countries are you talking about? All the democratic countries are either developed or developing but are not stagnant.

 

[CardSharp]

Tell me, Why you are linking development with democracy? Development depends upon economic policies government follow and situation of a nation (regarding natural and man made calamities like tsunami, War etc) while democracy is a political phenomenon. China accepted open economy in '79 and we did the same in '91 hence they are ahead.

And we became democratic in 26 Jan 1950 so if you are talking about those 2.5 years then we were not democratic. The only problem we had was only single party was incharge and no proper opposition was available which is required in any democratic system.

You misunderstood. I meant the East Asian model as in political autocracacy first then democracy later. Nothing to do with economics or development.

I just meant India became a true democracy right from the start instead of a "fake" democracy period like SK, Taiwan, and Japan where there was only one party and really an autocracy.

 

[Pride]

As long as all of India to believe that he is a good thing, but India has some people do not believe, and India paper or electronic ballot to make people believe in democracy, however, some Indians do not believe, like Maoism, they do vote with their feet that is true ballot, even with blood and life, and this also is the most true history of mankind votes. Key economic, paper or electronic ballot of "democracy", "believe" can overcome "foot" and "life" of the vote? At present, the uncertain outcome.

Frankly speaking buddy, Your posts are not making sense to me. Reason is you were comparing initially Political phenomenon to Economical status of the country and now you are talking about psychology of followers. Many people who does not believe in system they go against it. Same is true for Maoists or people protesting in Tiannmen square (No flame intended). I think normal Indian strongly believe in Democracy, Now it is required for our leaders to follow the same.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Tell me, Why you are linking development with democracy? Development depends upon economic policies government follow and situation of a nation (regarding natural and man made calamities like tsunami, War etc) while democracy is a political phenomenon. China accepted open economy in '79 and we did the same in '91 hence they are ahead.

And we became democratic in 26 Jan 1950 so if you are talking about those 2.5 years then we were not democratic. The only problem we had was only single party was incharge and no proper opposition was available which is required in any democratic system.

That is, too many wolves will always hungry, only a small number of wolves, a small amount of food it can enough eat. In order to stabilize post-fed food, will consider a number of points to the people. The wolf too many people doing the food was not enough, people will not get anything.

And, the biggest problem in developing countries, is that the people behind the productivity can only produce very little food. Developed countries is different, however, we are developing countries.

This is the example of East Asian countries, East Asian countries are experiencing a concentrated, very few wolves stage, and then people started to political demands, get some weapons to defense the wolf. This is the East Asian experience.

 

[Pride]

You misunderstood. I meant the East Asian model as in political autocracacy first then democracy later. Nothing to do with economics or development.

I just meant India became a true democracy right from the start instead of a "fake" democracy period like SK, Taiwan, and Japan where there was only one party and really an autocracy.

points mismatch..but good to know we are alike thinker..

 

[huzihaidao12]

Frankly speaking buddy, Your posts are not making sense to me. Reason is you were comparing initially Political phenomenon to Economical status of the country and now you are talking about psychology of followers. Many people who does not believe in system they go against it. Same is true for Maoists or people protesting in Tiannmen square (No flame intended). I think normal Indian strongly believe in Democracy, Now it is required for our leaders to follow the same.

All aspects of society are psychological, Bottom People psychological, middle-class psychology, Harvard psychology, Ruling elite psychological , all are. And I do not need your significant other, just some discussion, you may object.

 

[Pride]

Is simple, too many wolves will always hungry, only a small number of wolves, a small amount of food it can eat. In order to stabilize post-fed food, will consider a number of points to the people. The wolf too many people doing the food was not enough, people will not get anything.

In regard to India, Wolves will again be more and the reason for same is our population. And the way you are suggesting to reduce corruption is wrong. There could be only two ways to avoid corruption:-

1) Moral/Ethics: This can be done with proper study of Moral theories or few years Armed force training. This again does not guarantee but in long terms it helps.

2) Proper Law enforcement and Judiciary: If Law enforcement will be proper and judiciary will be active then such corruptions can easily be avoided. there are many scenarios where active involvement of judiciary stopped many false activities.

 

[Pride]

All aspects of society are psychological, Bottom People psychological, middle-class psychology, Harvard psychology, Ruling elite psychological , all are. And I do not need your significant other, just some discussion, you may object.

Apologies buddy if I hurt you. What I was trying to convey is that discussing many phenomenons in a single point does not lead on a conclusion. When I tried to describe political aspects of Democracy you moved to economically and then further to people's psychology. We can stick to the topic of Corruption and then we can discuss one's point. Here i ask you your suggestion which India can do to overcome with corruption problem. I mentioned mine in earlier post.

 

[huzihaidao12]

In regard to India, Wolves will again be more and the reason for same is our population. And the way you are suggesting to reduce corruption is wrong. There could be only two ways to avoid corruption:-

1) Moral/Ethics: This can be done with proper study of Moral theories or few years Armed force training. This again does not guarantee but in long terms it helps.

2) Proper Law enforcement and Judiciary: If Law enforcement will be proper and judiciary will be active then such corruptions can easily be avoided. there are many scenarios where active involvement of judiciary stopped many false activities.

Population growth, not the wolf issue, but Population growth, can distributed to the people even less.


Is not Moral theories ,almost no effect, should be democratic propaganda. Not only believe, but the democratic rights of publicity, making people want to have more democratic rights, to exert pressure.