CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[ChineseTiger1986]

I seriously doubt it ... I believe it is pure Chinese ingenuity ... the Russian and Ukrainian help is often heavily overstated as in the case of Liaoning

If the Type 003 is nuclear powered, then everything has to be purely Chinese, but it is about the design layout of a nuclear supercarrier with the catapults that Mr. Babich could contribute some of his past experience with the Chinese designers.

 

[Deino]

New update at Wuhan ...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

New update at Wuhan ...

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The island looks very tall, like that of the CVN-78.

If there is no funnel, then it is a CVN. Otherwise, it is just follows the plan.

 

[Brainsucker]

STOP !!!!
Just again !!! .... this is a fake, a blatant lie !!!

Babich never got a contract nor was contacted. He directly refuted this stupid report in the interview I posted.

Deino

Even if it's fake news, I don't think that it's bad for China to recruit Mr. Babich. If they haven't, they should start it now. Having a clever man like him will benefit PRC more in the future. Why should Chinese top genius limited to Han Ethnicity only? Just look at the long China history. That's the reason why Qin won in the 7 kingdoms era. That's because they didn't care about nationality of their talents. Many of their main thinkers came from other countries. That's why they won.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Even if it's fake news, I don't think that it's bad for China to recruit Mr. Babich. If they haven't, they should start it now. Having a clever man like him will benefit PRC more in the future. Why should Chinese top genius limited to Han Ethnicity only? Just look at the long China history. That's the reason why Qin won in the 7 kingdoms era. That's because they didn't care about nationality of their talents. Many of their main thinkers came from other countries. That's why they won.

Mr. Babich is an old comrade, the Chinese ship building industry indeed welcomes his expertise.

 

[lmjiao]

Why they deleted it, Is this photo really sensitive?

Yes, it is sensitive. This always happens for this kind of figures.

 

[waja2000]

the news about the facility construction for building specialized vessel (特种船舶) at JNCX shows on internet since 2014 or 15. For example, the news below, which said the completion of a 1600T gantry crane at JNCX by Nov. 2015.

江南1600T龙门吊及研发设计楼项目顺利进行
发布时间：2015-11-24 16:27:06

2015年11月24日，中船九院江南项目部参与全程设备项目管理的特种船舶研制保障条件建设项目4号坞1600T龙门吊顺利完成总装吊装。项目部克服了设备制造周期短、工作体量大、吊装难度高等诸多难点，按期完成了1600T龙门吊的重大吊装，得到了业主方的充分肯定。

4.8 billion RMB is a big amount of money. But considering the project's extreme importance to China's national security, I would say this is a good investment.
If we spend 4.8 billion RMB in other area, we can get, for example 40km metro line, or 30km high speed rail line. Compared the metro line, or high speed rail line, vs. a modernized facility for aircraft carriers building, I would say the latter is a better choice.
a 1600T crane already completed at JNCX in two years ago. You can refer to my news sharing above.

For 1600T crane i know, it install at JNCX #4 dry dock.
but early post 4.8b is new shipyard project near new JNCX watergate at East side. size 350x50 dry yard.

Just my view...

 

[Figaro]

Even if it's fake news, I don't think that it's bad for China to recruit Mr. Babich. If they haven't, they should start it now. Having a clever man like him will benefit PRC more in the future. Why should Chinese top genius limited to Han Ethnicity only? Just look at the long China history. That's the reason why Qin won in the 7 kingdoms era. That's because they didn't care about nationality of their talents. Many of their main thinkers came from other countries. That's why they won.

What does this have to do with "Han ethnicity"? Miao, Zhuang, Tibetan, and countless other minorities are all Chinese and contribute to the Chinese scientific sector. Unfortunately, Mr. Babich is of Ukranian ethnicity, and it seems that these sensationalist headlines are deliberately meant to discredit Chinese ingenuity (whether of Han or any other Chinese minority ethnicity).

 

[GS Zhou]

for 1600T crane i know, it install at JNCX #4 dry yard.
but early post 4.8b is new shipyard project near new JNCX watergate at East side. size 350x50 dry yard.

the 1600T crane is also part of this 4.8B project that called as: 特种船舶研制保障条件建设项目.

Investment on the new 350x50 yard alone is about RMB 150million.

 

[waja2000]

the 1600T crane is also part of this 4.8B project that called as: 特种船舶研制保障条件建设项目.
Investment on the new 350x50 yard alone is about RMB 150million.

what i means is new 003 (assume JNCX get deal) AC will built in JNCX #4 dry dock (with 1600T crane) or in new shipyard... which in plan. and no heavy crane.

 

[GS Zhou]

what i means is new 003 (assume JNCX get deal) AC will built in JNCX #4 dry dock (with 1600T crane) or in new shipyard... which in plan. and no heavy crane.

I bet the final assembly must be in #4 dry dock.

 

[Brainsucker]

What does this have to do with "Han ethnicity"? Miao, Zhuang, Tibetan, and countless other minorities are all Chinese and contribute to the Chinese scientific sector. Unfortunately, Mr. Babich is of Ukranian ethnicity, and it seems that these sensationalist headlines are deliberately meant to discredit Chinese ingenuity (whether of Han or any other Chinese minority ethnicity).

Isn't that what the other people want to press? As long as it's not purely Han Ethnicity figures who involve in the project, it's not genuinely made in China. That's why the incoming of Mr. Babich make people afraid that other people (trolls) will used it to discredit AC project as not purely built by China.

It's also happen when Vietnamese declared that the carpenters that built Tian An Men had Vietnamese Blood, or Bruce Lee had some German ancestor blood, etc. And the Chinese Fan boys enrage because they consider that it's a kind of scheme to belittle Chinese as incompetent. But they're forgot, that actually, it doesn't matter.

 

[Figaro]

Isn't that what the other people want to press? As long as it's not purely Han Ethnicity figures who involve in the project, it's not genuinely made in China. That's why the incoming of Mr. Babich make people afraid that other people (trolls) will used it to discredit AC project as not purely built by China.

It's also happen when Vietnamese declared that the carpenters that built Tian An Men had Vietnamese Blood, or Bruce Lee had some German ancestor blood, etc. And the Chinese Fan boys enrage because they consider that it's a kind of scheme to belittle Chinese as incompetent. But they're forgot, that actually, it doesn't matter.

No one is pressing anything here ... you're confusing the Han ethnicity with all of China. To be Chinese does not exclusively mean to be Han Chinese as what you're suggesting. The fallacious report of Babich is absolutely intended to discredit Chinese naval aviation technology; the emphasis on his Ukrainian background implies (albeit wrongly) that China is still backward and relies upon foreign experts. The Babich article was a sensationalist and false article, hence it was widely-criticized by many Chinese members.

The island looks very tall, like that of the CVN-78.

If there is no funnel, then it is a CVN. Otherwise, it is just follows the plan.

I am concerned if this mock-up actually resembles the 003 island; it seems rather tall and wide, similar to those of the Liaoning and 002 carrier. I am under the impression that the PLAN will shrink the island at least to the size of the Nimitz's, preferably closer to the Ford class. What's the point of having a huge island that only takes up space?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am concerned if this mock-up actually resembles the 003 island; it seems rather tall and wide, similar to those of the Liaoning and 002 carrier. I am under the impression that the PLAN will shrink the island at least to the size of the Nimitz's, preferably closer to the Ford class. What's the point of having a huge island that only takes up space?

Without the funnel in the middle, the length of the island structure will become greatly shrunken.

We will eventually see the true island on the Type 003, and the mockup island does look taller than that of both CV-16 and CV-17 because it got the dual x/s band radars that need to be mounted on the taller structure.

 

[samsara]

Isn't that what the other people want to press? As long as it's not purely Han Ethnicity figures who involve in the project, it's not genuinely made in China. That's why the incoming of Mr. Babich make people afraid that other people (trolls) will used it to discredit AC project as not purely built by China.

It's also happen when Vietnamese declared that the carpenters that built Tian An Men had Vietnamese Blood, or Bruce Lee had some German ancestor blood, etc. And the Chinese Fan boys enrage because they consider that it's a kind of scheme to belittle Chinese as incompetent. But they're forgot, that actually, it doesn't matter.

What kind of info you are throwing here??? Do you understand that the modern China is a nation of 56 ethnicities with the Han Chinese as one among the 56 ethnic groups, it just happens that the Han Chinese has the overwhelming majority, about 90% of the population. Please do not post arbitrary info here if you have no idea about the nation concept of the modern China, i.e. the PRC. And this is not the right forum to delve into the Chinese long history, values, traditions & cultures, outlook and world views, nation-building & politics and so on... but if it's deviated too far then it stands to be corrected.

56 Ethnic Groups in China

The following Chinese ethnic groups are listed by their population (sorted from high to low):

01. Han 汉族
02. Zhuang 壮族
03. Manchu 满族
04. Hui 回族
05. Miao/Hmong 苗族
06. Uyghur 维吾尔族
07. Yi 彝族
08. Tujia 土家族
09. Mongolian 蒙古族
10. Tibetan 藏族
11. Buyei 布依族
12. Dong/Kam 侗族
13. Yao/Mien 瑶族
14. Korean 朝鲜族
15. Bai 白族
16. Hani 哈尼族
17. Li 黎族
18. Kazakh 哈萨克族
19. Dai 傣族
20. She 畲族
21. Lisu 傈僳族
22. Gelao 仡佬族
23. Lahu 拉祜族
24. Gaoshan 高山族
25. Dongxiang 东乡族
26. Wa/Va 佤族
27. Shui/Sui 水族
28. Naxi/Nakhi 纳西族
29. Qiang 羌族
30. Tu 土族
31. Xibo/Xibe 锡伯族
32. Mulao 仫佬族
33. Kyrgyz/Kirghiz 柯尔克孜族
34. Daur 达斡尔族
35. Jingpo 景颇族
36. Salar 撒拉族
37. Blang 布朗族
38. Maonan 毛南族
39. Tajik 塔吉克族
40. Pumi 普米族
41. Achang 阿昌族
42. Nu 怒族
43. Ewenki 鄂温克族
44. Jing/Kihn 京族
45. Jino 基诺族
46. De-Ang 德昂族
47. Uzbek 乌孜别克族
48. Bao-An 保安族
49. Russian 俄罗斯族
50. Yugur 裕固族
51. Monba 门巴族
52. Oroqen 鄂伦春族
53. Derung 独龙族
54. Tatar 塔塔尔族
55. Hezhe/Hezhen 赫哲族
56. Lhoba 珞巴族