CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Götterdämmerung]

Congratulations! Speedy work!

 

[Place Of Space]

2017 is definitely a great year to PLA Navy. In addition to the launch of this new carrier today, I believe we will see the following events in 2017 too:
- Commissioning of at least two Type 052D destroyers
- Launch of Type 055 destroyer(s)
- Launch of a new Type 071 LPD
- Type 002 carrier started the building in JN Shipyard already. Pictures could be expected.
- Type 075 LHD starts the construction work
- The new nuclear submarine factory in Huludao starts operation

Do I miss anything? I don't want to add information about 054 or 056, otherwise the list would be TOO LONG.

The most important one you miss, Navy general join in the top military leadership. In the past, they all came from Army.

 

[Deino]

Just two thoughts ...

1. Anyone with an idea, why there are still these IMO stupid reports that the 001A is about 13m longer and 4m wider than the 001 ?? Images show and prove since months that both are roughly of exact the same dimensions ? (the green line on the left shows the same length of the dock's width.
Must be either a stupid reporter or some over-enthusiastic fan-boy who thinks bigger is better or with very small hands.

2. Interesting front-view comparison ...

 

[Place Of Space]

Congratulations Guys, That's a massive achievement! Keep it up guys!!

Thanks, let's grow together.

 

[monitor]

Just two thoughts ...

1. Anyone with an idea, why there are still these IMO stupid reports that the 001A is about 13m longer and 4m wider than the 001 ?? Images show and prove since months that both are roughly of exact the same dimensions ? (the green line on the left shows the same length of the dock's width.
Must be either a stupid reporter or some over-enthusiastic fan-boy who thinks bigger is better or with very small hands.

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2. Interesting front-view comparison ...

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From the picture it seems Type001A having much more modern radar then it's half brother.

 

[samsara]

Just two thoughts ...

1. Anyone with an idea, why there are still these IMO stupid reports that the 001A is about 13m longer and 4m wider than the 001 ?? Images show and prove since months that both are roughly of exact the same dimensions ? (the green line on the left shows the same length of the dock's width.
Must be either a stupid reporter or some over-enthusiastic fan-boy who thinks bigger is better or with very small hands.

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2. Interesting front-view comparison ...

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Deino, think you may wish to add another one here: 50,000-tonne carrier... why some sources keep on mentioning this 50,000-tonne metric??? IS IT REAL THAT TYPE 001A just has 50,000 tonnes???

BTW, the paid professional experts at the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) - China Power who have focus on China's military did mention the slightly larger dimensions of Type 001A vs Liaoning:

KEY FACTS

• The control tower island of the Type 001A is expected to be 10 percent smaller than that of the Liaoning.
• It will displace roughly 65,000 – 70,000 tons, a few thousand more tons than the Liaoning.
• Its airwing will be slightly larger than that of the Liaoning, featuring around 8 additional aircraft.

I posted in this thread earlier

 

[Deino]

Deino, think you may wish to add another one here: 50,000-tonne carrier... why some sources keep on mentioning this 50,000-tonne metric??? IS IT REAL THAT TYPE 001A just has 50,000 tonnes???

Indeed ... there are some more of these really strange dimensions and data floating around !

But hey, maybe that damn thing is build not from steel but from glass-fibre and composite materials, that can probably save about 15,000 tonnes ... and I'm sure a few idiots will still believe that.

Deino

 

[dy1022]

A few idiots will still not believe that the full load of cv17 = 65,000 -70,000 tons

 

[Deino]

http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/3on8QMw2GiyPLUCOcwCVuw

https://twitter.com/x/status/857224156722507776

 

[kuge]

watching its launch was like delivering a baby assisted by mid wives tug boats....
congrat to those getting involvrd...

 

[yusheng]

the difference btw 16 17

 

[samsara]

http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/3on8QMw2GiyPLUCOcwCVuw

https://twitter.com/x/status/857224156722507776

A closer look while spotted

Type 001A CV launching ceremony by the PLA Navy.
CSIC official news reported that the aircraft carrier was launched one month ahead of the schedule.

More pics at http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/3on8QMw2GiyPLUCOcwCVuw

 

[Blue Marlin]

the difference btw 16 17
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the new ship has two open window decks whilst the old one only has one?

 

[samsara]

the new ship has two open window desks whilst the old one only has one?

perhaps this source may satisfy your exquisite UK taste

Compiled by those paid professional experts at the "Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) - China Power"

 

[j20blackdragon]

Just so that you know, the US took on average 3 years to build a Nimitz class nuclear carrier.

Perhaps time for China to speed things up?

How will the gap disappear in 20 years?

Every 3 years a Ford class carrier would be commissioned.

While china's pace of construction and commissioning is still slower than that of USA even for the relatively small and less advanced carriers like Type 001A.

Where the hell are you getting your numbers from?

Meanwhile, the 001A took approximately 2 years from initial construction to launch. Another 2 years will be needed for outfitting before commissioning. This is normal. Newport News shipyard is the sole designer, builder and refueler of U.S. Navy aircraft carriers. China has at least Dalian and Jiangnan Shipyard. You do the math.

Pay attention to the speed of the aircraft carrier construction.

I want to remind everybody that the construction status of the 001A was like this in mid 2015.

China officially announced that it was building its second aircraft carrier in December 2015. New York Times report.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/...uilding-its-second-aircraft-carrier.html?_r=0

Late 2016.

Now ready to launch in early 2017. Great picture from Deino.


Weapons and equipment, including the radar system, air defense system and communications system will be outfitted on the carrier over the next two years. The new aircraft carrier can begin sea trials by early 2019.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1033999.shtml

This is very fast. China has more than one shipyard capable of doing this.

Meanwhile, the 001A took approximately 2 years from initial construction to launch. Another 2 years will be needed for outfitting before commissioning. This is normal. Newport News shipyard is the sole designer, builder and refueler of U.S. Navy aircraft carriers. China has at least Dalian and Jiangnan Shipyard. You do the math.

Newport News Shipbuilding is the sole designer and builder of aircraft carriers for the U.S. Navy.

China has Jiangnan Shipyard in addition to Dalian. You do the math.