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These images from a free gallery. Some photographer did not post their image, but upload them to the gallery:
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Yeah, so many pictures there yet a collection of upload from many years, needs lots of efforts to sift the latest photos from the old ones
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New aircraft carrier to safeguard sovereignty
By Wang Jiaoxuan | China Daily | Updated: 2017-12-14 07:21
Song Chen / China Daily China's first totally domestically built aircraft carrier will reportedly start its sea trial soon, strengthening not only the country's naval power but also the overall national defense. If the Type 001 Liaoning, China's first aircraft carrier, was the path-breaker then the new aircraft carrier (Type 001A) will lead the scientific modernization of the defense sector. The as-yet unnamed 50,000-ton Type 001A aircraft carrier has a design similar to the 60,000-ton Liaoning, with a ski jump-style deck for taking off and a conventional oil-fueled steam turbine power plant.
The main difference between the two aircraft carriers is that the new one has more space for aircraft and helicopters. The new aircraft carrier has made significant improvements in tonnage, velocity, radar system and endurance－compared with the Liaoning－and has better combat capability, which will be further boosted when the ski-jump takeoff system will be replaced by the catapult takeoff system in the second completely domestically built aircraft carrier which is in the works.
Once the Type 001A is formally commissioned, it will become the flagship of China's naval vessels, and undertake more important strategic tasks of deterrence and actual combat at sea. That, however, doesn't mean the new aircraft carrier will compromise the importance of the Liaoning.
The Liaoning has two main long-term tasks－trial and training being the first. The Liaoning is an "exploration". It may have some technical defects, but it also was a training ground which provided engineers and experts the theoretical knowledge and precious experience to help build the new aircraft carrier and will continue playing this precious role.
The Liaoning's second task is to maintain maritime security. Those wondering whether the Liaoning, as a training ship, is capable of going into real combat, should know that the Liaoning is a real military aircraft carrier, not a simulator, and its combat effectiveness will develop as the training level of its crew and engineers matures.
The prime reason for China to develop aircraft carriers is to safeguard national security, and regional and world peace, and there is little doubt the Liaoning can help do so. Still, the development of China's aircraft carriers is so modest and limited that it meets only part of its maritime security needs. Here, it is vital to stress that China will never seek maritime hegemony.
Considering China's long coastline, numerous islands, vast sea area, and the serious violations of its sovereignty and interests by some countries, China may build more aircraft carriers in order to meet its minimum maritime safety requirements.
Since building an aircraft carrier is a strategic project requiring huge investment, a country has to take into consideration all the supporting factors, especially economic strength and technological prowess, before deciding to build one. As such, China's earlier decision to build three aircraft carriers was justified given its economic strength at that time. Now that China has a GDP of more than $11 trillion, it will have enough funds in the future to build more aircraft carriers.
Technological prowess, too, is needed to develop more advanced aircraft carriers, and thanks to the Liaoning and the new Type 001A vessel, China has mastered aviation and electronics technologies. The country is also breaking new ground in nuclear power, cloaking techniques, artificial intelligence and directional energy technology, which are needed to build more advanced aircraft carriers.
An aircraft carrier is a symbol of state power and the core of a navy's combat force. It is also an essential military equipment to maintain national maritime safety. Only when a number of Chinese naval formations with aircraft carriers sail the vast oceans can they effectively safeguard China's ocean sovereignty, promote national reunification, thwart the containment and blockade policies of some powers, and help protect China's overseas interests and maintain peace in the region and beyond.
The author is an expert on military issues.
By Wang Jiaoxuan | China Daily | Updated: 2017-12-14 07:21
Song Chen / China Daily
The main difference between the two aircraft carriers is that the new one has more space for aircraft and helicopters. The new aircraft carrier has made significant improvements in tonnage, velocity, radar system and endurance－compared with the Liaoning－and has better combat capability, which will be further boosted when the ski-jump takeoff system will be replaced by the catapult takeoff system in the second completely domestically built aircraft carrier which is in the works.
Once the Type 001A is formally commissioned, it will become the flagship of China's naval vessels, and undertake more important strategic tasks of deterrence and actual combat at sea. That, however, doesn't mean the new aircraft carrier will compromise the importance of the Liaoning.
The Liaoning has two main long-term tasks－trial and training being the first. The Liaoning is an "exploration". It may have some technical defects, but it also was a training ground which provided engineers and experts the theoretical knowledge and precious experience to help build the new aircraft carrier and will continue playing this precious role.
The Liaoning's second task is to maintain maritime security. Those wondering whether the Liaoning, as a training ship, is capable of going into real combat, should know that the Liaoning is a real military aircraft carrier, not a simulator, and its combat effectiveness will develop as the training level of its crew and engineers matures.
The prime reason for China to develop aircraft carriers is to safeguard national security, and regional and world peace, and there is little doubt the Liaoning can help do so. Still, the development of China's aircraft carriers is so modest and limited that it meets only part of its maritime security needs. Here, it is vital to stress that China will never seek maritime hegemony.
Considering China's long coastline, numerous islands, vast sea area, and the serious violations of its sovereignty and interests by some countries, China may build more aircraft carriers in order to meet its minimum maritime safety requirements.
Since building an aircraft carrier is a strategic project requiring huge investment, a country has to take into consideration all the supporting factors, especially economic strength and technological prowess, before deciding to build one. As such, China's earlier decision to build three aircraft carriers was justified given its economic strength at that time. Now that China has a GDP of more than $11 trillion, it will have enough funds in the future to build more aircraft carriers.
Technological prowess, too, is needed to develop more advanced aircraft carriers, and thanks to the Liaoning and the new Type 001A vessel, China has mastered aviation and electronics technologies. The country is also breaking new ground in nuclear power, cloaking techniques, artificial intelligence and directional energy technology, which are needed to build more advanced aircraft carriers.
An aircraft carrier is a symbol of state power and the core of a navy's combat force. It is also an essential military equipment to maintain national maritime safety. Only when a number of Chinese naval formations with aircraft carriers sail the vast oceans can they effectively safeguard China's ocean sovereignty, promote national reunification, thwart the containment and blockade policies of some powers, and help protect China's overseas interests and maintain peace in the region and beyond.
The author is an expert on military issues.
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This article is very good for it covers the holistic thoughts of the carrier existence, gives a broad understanding in such a terse writing what China intends to do by these carriers in future, and how many is manyNew aircraft carrier to safeguard sovereignty
By Wang Jiaoxuan | China Daily | Updated: 2017-12-14 07:21
China's first totally domestically built aircraft carrier will reportedly start its sea trial soon, strengthening not only the country's naval power but also the overall national defense. If the Type 001 Liaoning, China's first aircraft carrier, was the path-breaker then the new aircraft carrier (Type 001A) will lead the scientific modernization of the defense sector. The as-yet unnamed 50,000-ton Type 001A aircraft carrier has a design similar to the 60,000-ton Liaoning, with a ski jump-style deck for taking off and a conventional oil-fueled steam turbine power plant.
Song Chen / China Daily
The main difference between the two aircraft carriers is that the new one has more space for aircraft and helicopters. The new aircraft carrier has made significant improvements in tonnage, velocity, radar system and endurance－compared with the Liaoning－and has better combat capability, which will be further boosted when the ski-jump takeoff system will be replaced by the catapult takeoff system in the second completely domestically built aircraft carrier which is in the works.
Once the Type 001A is formally commissioned, it will become the flagship of China's naval vessels, and undertake more important strategic tasks of deterrence and actual combat at sea. That, however, doesn't mean the new aircraft carrier will compromise the importance of the Liaoning.
The Liaoning has two main long-term tasks－trial and training being the first. The Liaoning is an "exploration". It may have some technical defects, but it also was a training ground which provided engineers and experts the theoretical knowledge and precious experience to help build the new aircraft carrier and will continue playing this precious role.
The Liaoning's second task is to maintain maritime security. Those wondering whether the Liaoning, as a training ship, is capable of going into real combat, should know that the Liaoning is a real military aircraft carrier, not a simulator, and its combat effectiveness will develop as the training level of its crew and engineers matures.
The prime reason for China to develop aircraft carriers is to safeguard national security, and regional and world peace, and there is little doubt the Liaoning can help do so. Still, the development of China's aircraft carriers is so modest and limited that it meets only part of its maritime security needs. Here, it is vital to stress that China will never seek maritime hegemony.
Considering China's long coastline, numerous islands, vast sea area, and the serious violations of its sovereignty and interests by some countries, China may build more aircraft carriers in order to meet its minimum maritime safety requirements.
Since building an aircraft carrier is a strategic project requiring huge investment, a country has to take into consideration all the supporting factors, especially economic strength and technological prowess, before deciding to build one. As such, China's earlier decision to build three aircraft carriers was justified given its economic strength at that time. Now that China has a GDP of more than $11 trillion, it will have enough funds in the future to build more aircraft carriers.
Technological prowess, too, is needed to develop more advanced aircraft carriers, and thanks to the Liaoning and the new Type 001A vessel, China has mastered aviation and electronics technologies. The country is also breaking new ground in nuclear power, cloaking techniques, artificial intelligence and directional energy technology, which are needed to build more advanced aircraft carriers.
An aircraft carrier is a symbol of state power and the core of a navy's combat force. It is also an essential military equipment to maintain national maritime safety. Only when a number of Chinese naval formations with aircraft carriers sail the vast oceans can they effectively safeguard China's ocean sovereignty, promote national reunification, thwart the containment and blockade policies of some powers, and help protect China's overseas interests and maintain peace in the region and beyond.
The author is an expert on military issues.
and more than any other article by China's media in English language that I ever read, this one articulates more clearly the more assertive views of China about the development of her aircraft carriers, more outspoken, less shy... though nothing new here for the steady PDF readers in this Chinese column, but it definitely a brand-new exposition for the general laymen, came out from the mouth of the large official state media 
Frankly I like even adore much more the assertive China in dealing with those belligerent parties and challenges ahead for it shows a quality of self-confidence, and the nation's overall strength. Assertive, high self-confidence yet far from a bullying, violence-prone, hegemonic force for a nation of such large magnitude!!! I do believe it represents the state of nation that has been evolving into its new high! 天耀中华！
Well, I think it's a very good read to give the correct understanding even to the laymen, thus I accordingly spent some time to translate the full article into local language to reach broader audience and to be sent out via phone chat tool. Adorned with the some most beautiful shots of Liaoning pulled out from PDF's collection, it gives a high impression to the recipients.
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This Chinese Aircraft carrier is “A Game Changer”
Type 001A aircraft carrier soon will be set for sea trails.
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According to the Dalian spotters, two new antennas were installed today, 16 December 2017, on the second Chinese aircraft carrier.
East Pendulum @HenriKenhmann 6:49 AM - 16 Dec 2017
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What are the differences between China’s two aircraft carriers?
As the country’s newest warship readies for the next stage of sea trials here’s how it measures up against its predecessor
By Minnie Chan - South China Morning Post
PUBLISHED : Monday, 11 December, 2017, 5:10pm
UPDATED : Monday, 11 December, 2017, 5:20pm
China's new aircraft carrier is undergoing tests in Dalian in Liaoning province. Photo: Weibo
China’s first domestically built aircraft carrier, the Type 001A, is expected to start blue-water trials soon, according to state media and mainland military websites.
The 001A, which started preliminary trials in Dalian in the northeast of China in November after its launch on April 26, has a similar design to the country’s first carrier the Liaoning.
That ship started life as the Varyag, an unfinished Admiral Kuznetsov class carrier that China bought in 1998 from Ukraine – which inherited the ship after the break-up of the Soviet Union – and retrofitted.
The new vessel has been designed as a more modern variant on the Admiral Kuznetsov class ships – which means the two Chinese carriers have a similar appearance.
However, naval experts said the Chinese engineers and designers who built the ship had studied the most advanced military technology used by the Americans, as well as the former Soviet Union, and tried to incorporate this into the new ship to meet the practical needs of the PLA Navy.
China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, provided the template for the design of the 001A. Photo: AFP
Similarities:
Size – both are medium-size aircraft carriers with 60,000 to 65,000 tonnes of displacement.
Propulsion Systems – both use conventional propulsion.
Runway – both have a short runway with a ski-jump ramp.
Different roles:
The 001A has been designed to operate in a similar strategic role as US carriers – sailing with an escort of frigates, destroyers and other vessels as part of a battle group that can survey and attack targets on land, sea and air.
By contrast the Admiral Kuznetsov class ships were originally designed to serve as a “heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser” equipped with much more firepower than other carriers, including powerful anti-ship and surface-to-air cruise missile systems. They were designed to operate without an escort and were able to offer support to other warships.
Take-off ramps
The slope of the ski-jump ramp on the 001A is 12 degrees, compared with 14 degrees on the Liaoning. Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said the 12-degree ramp would help fighters shorten their take-off distance, save fuel and increase their weapons payload while strengthening the ship’s structure.
The new carrier has been designed to have more deck space.
Space for more aircraft
China Central Television said the control tower island on the 001A deck has one more storey than the Liaoning.
However Li said the deck space occupied by the island had actually shrunk by 10 per cent to allow the deck to hold more helicopters and fixed-wing early-warning aircraft.
Li further noted that four weapons sponsons, or projections, had been removed from the aft deck, meaning there is space for more aircraft on deck.
Liaoning: everything you need to know about China’s first aircraft carrier | South China Morning Post (INFOGRAPHIC)
The 001A will be able to house a maximum number of 35 J-15 fighter jets compared with the 24 carried on board the Liaoning, according to overseas military reports and retired Read Admiral Yin Zhuo.
More powerful weapons
Li said S-band radars with four large antennae would be installed on the top of control tower. The radar system is China’s most advanced and is capable of covering a 360-degree search field to scout dozens of targets in the air and at sea.
Another four HQ-10 short-range air defence missiles systems with 24 tubes would also be deployed on the new ship. This weapons system is also used by the navy’s most advanced Type 052D destroyers and Type 056 frigates.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2123610/what-are-differences-between-chinas-two-aircraft
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As the country’s newest warship readies for the next stage of sea trials here’s how it measures up against its predecessor
By Minnie Chan - South China Morning Post
PUBLISHED : Monday, 11 December, 2017, 5:10pm
UPDATED : Monday, 11 December, 2017, 5:20pm
China's new aircraft carrier is undergoing tests in Dalian in Liaoning province. Photo: Weibo
China’s first domestically built aircraft carrier, the Type 001A, is expected to start blue-water trials soon, according to state media and mainland military websites.
The 001A, which started preliminary trials in Dalian in the northeast of China in November after its launch on April 26, has a similar design to the country’s first carrier the Liaoning.
That ship started life as the Varyag, an unfinished Admiral Kuznetsov class carrier that China bought in 1998 from Ukraine – which inherited the ship after the break-up of the Soviet Union – and retrofitted.
The new vessel has been designed as a more modern variant on the Admiral Kuznetsov class ships – which means the two Chinese carriers have a similar appearance.
However, naval experts said the Chinese engineers and designers who built the ship had studied the most advanced military technology used by the Americans, as well as the former Soviet Union, and tried to incorporate this into the new ship to meet the practical needs of the PLA Navy.
China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, provided the template for the design of the 001A. Photo: AFP
Similarities:
Size – both are medium-size aircraft carriers with 60,000 to 65,000 tonnes of displacement.
Propulsion Systems – both use conventional propulsion.
Runway – both have a short runway with a ski-jump ramp.
Different roles:
The 001A has been designed to operate in a similar strategic role as US carriers – sailing with an escort of frigates, destroyers and other vessels as part of a battle group that can survey and attack targets on land, sea and air.
By contrast the Admiral Kuznetsov class ships were originally designed to serve as a “heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser” equipped with much more firepower than other carriers, including powerful anti-ship and surface-to-air cruise missile systems. They were designed to operate without an escort and were able to offer support to other warships.
Take-off ramps
The slope of the ski-jump ramp on the 001A is 12 degrees, compared with 14 degrees on the Liaoning. Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said the 12-degree ramp would help fighters shorten their take-off distance, save fuel and increase their weapons payload while strengthening the ship’s structure.
The new carrier has been designed to have more deck space.
Space for more aircraft
China Central Television said the control tower island on the 001A deck has one more storey than the Liaoning.
However Li said the deck space occupied by the island had actually shrunk by 10 per cent to allow the deck to hold more helicopters and fixed-wing early-warning aircraft.
Li further noted that four weapons sponsons, or projections, had been removed from the aft deck, meaning there is space for more aircraft on deck.
Liaoning: everything you need to know about China’s first aircraft carrier | South China Morning Post (INFOGRAPHIC)
The 001A will be able to house a maximum number of 35 J-15 fighter jets compared with the 24 carried on board the Liaoning, according to overseas military reports and retired Read Admiral Yin Zhuo.
More powerful weapons
Li said S-band radars with four large antennae would be installed on the top of control tower. The radar system is China’s most advanced and is capable of covering a 360-degree search field to scout dozens of targets in the air and at sea.
Another four HQ-10 short-range air defence missiles systems with 24 tubes would also be deployed on the new ship. This weapons system is also used by the navy’s most advanced Type 052D destroyers and Type 056 frigates.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2123610/what-are-differences-between-chinas-two-aircraft
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I really don't think SCMP is a reliable source... especially Minnie Chan. Remember how she said steam catapults would not be able to launch J-15s???? Also, the 001A diagram is clearly that of the Ulyanovsk ... which is differently incorrect. The 12 degree ramp is also quite suspicious ... not sure where these figures came from. I highly doubt the PLAN would give such sensitive info to a Hong Kong paper ...
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Do you have any better source?
Whether those things you raised here are correct or not, this article still gives a good recap for the publicly accessible info of the two carriers. Unlike the visible number of VLS at 055, the inclination thing is subtle and no need to divulge, unnecessarily. There is just no way to verify what's the actual number other than quoted. There is also no way for other to prove/disprove your unbelief on this degree thing.
In the case of the diagram, if so, just take it for illustrative purpose, not as reference... after all this news/informational piece is not an academic/scientific paper
Well, I don't know about her previous remark on that steam catapult issue with J-15, but should we steadily criticize any reporter for some mistakes that he/she may incur earlier? Such nitpicking may render many reporters to the zero readability. I just think the belittlement of the reporter, Minnie Chan, by some here is too harsh and unjustified personal opinions.。。。
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I'm not trying to bash Minnie or anything, but a lot of her sources are indeed incorrect. For instance, where does the 12 degree ski jump ramp come from as cited? Or how she claims that only EM catapults and not steam can launch J-15s. Also, the "analysts" she cities like that Anthony Wong Dong guy are frequently inaccurate ... or the "anonymous insiders" whom she quotes. Minnie may not be completely wrong but many of her articles incur skepticism (maybe not this one in particular but many others)Do you have any better source?
Whether those things you raised here are correct or not, this article still gives a good recap for the publicly accessible info of the two carriers. Unlike the visible number of VLS at 055, the inclination thing is subtle and no need to divulge, unnecessarily. There is just no way to verify what's the actual number other than quoted. There is also no way for other to prove/disprove your unbelief on this degree thing.
In the case of the diagram, if so, just take it for illustrative purpose, not as reference... after all this news/informational piece is not an academic/scientific paper
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