CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[powastick]

To admit I think even if the building progress is amasing I don't think that this date does not makes sense. If You look closely the hull isn't even finished up to the hangar-deck and IMO only to target such a political date is plain stupid unless China wants to launch an empty hull like the Indians... which again does not makes sense.

Deino

Only now I realize its from wantchinatimes.

 

[Zarvan]

Airbus Defence and Space imagery shows an overview of Dalian shipyard in China. Source: CNES 2015, Distribution Airbus DS / 2015 IHS
Key Points

• An unidentified hull in an advanced state of construction at Dalian shipyard could be China's first indigenous aircraft carrier
• While a conclusive identification of the hull as an aircraft carrier cannot be made until work is observed on the upper decks and potential flight deck, the slow pace of assembly and outline suggests a military hull under construction

Satellite imagery suggests that China may be building its first aircraft carrier at Dalian shipyard in northern China.

Airbus Defence and Space imagery captured on 22 September suggests that the possible carrier is under construction in the dry dock associated with the refit and repair of Liaoning (CV16), the Soviet-era Kuznetsov-class carrier acquired from Ukraine that is now in People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) service.

The new hull, first noted under construction in imagery captured on 10 March, is in an advanced state of assembly.

IHS Jane's first noted preparations for a new vessel's assembly at the dry dock in Airbus Defence and Space imagery captured on 27 February. After the launch of a large commercial cargo vessel, the empty dry dock contained multiple support blocks used to provide a base for keel assembly. On 10 March, further imagery showed the initial stages of hull construction. At the time, the support layout suggested a hull of 150 to 170 m in length with a beam of about 30 m.

The hull assembly continued through the summer. Imagery from 22 September shows a lengthened aft section and expanded bow. The hull is currently assessed to have a length of about 240 m and a beam of about 35 m. The incomplete bow suggests a length of at least 270 m for the completed hull.

Given the incomplete nature of the upper decks, definitive identification of the Dalian hull as the first so-called '001A' aircraft carrier is not possible.

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China may be building first indigenous carrier - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Deino]

@ Zarvan !

May I ask You NOT to start a new tread for each and every topic You find interesting ! Even more if we already have a certain tread for that topic.

Deino

 

[kungfugymnast]

To admit I think even if the building progress is amasing I don't think that this date does not makes sense. If You look closely the hull isn't even finished up to the hangar-deck and IMO only to target such a political date is plain stupid unless China wants to launch an empty hull like the Indians... which again does not makes sense.

Deino

The 2nd aircraft carier development depends on how soon china could put their catapult launch system to operate effectively like American carrier. China wanted to achieve further therefore chinese always look at western tech to set goal combining with Russian and own tech. It won't be empty hull, if french.willing to sell the catapult launch system technology, china would complete the second carrier sooner while liaoning will be remodified and refitted with catapult launch system allowing the j15 to take off on full fuel and payload extending its operational range. J31 navalized variant will soon to follow by then.

Don't you guys know One expression of "Cheap Chinese Copies" plus Three exclamation marks always makes an effective pain killer for some?

Back then, yes chinese made cheap poor quality copies. Today, chinese make quality copies with added extra tech at affordable price where others could buy. The collision between US destroyer towing sonar on asw and chinese attack submarine proved that chinese weapons actually work. The advanced US destroyer on patrol over china border hotzone actually failed to detect the chinese sub while another US destroyer nearby. If this happens during wartime, that chinese sub would have sunk the 2 arleigh burke class destroyers already. Chinese weapons actually have proven records, you can't call them useless just because they are affordable.

The dogfight was pretty much controlled and on purpose where they went within visually. Had it been real combat, the F-22 would have detected and fired its missiles and the Rafale would have been shot down before it even realized it.

The dogfight was controlled but it proved that stealth tech effectiveness is limited to more than 10 miles onwards depends on effectiveness of radars. Rather than focus on defeating stealth, they should focus on anti~missiles defenses for aircraft to replace the useless chaff, flare and later on ECM. Only then it'll force stealth aircraft to get into visual range

 

[BoQ77]

I expect China would keep up with the schedule, just as what Japan done with 2nd Izumo.

 

[kungfugymnast]

I expect China would keep up with the schedule, just as what Japan done with 2nd Izumo.

China could complete the carrier on schedule but the working catapult launch depends on how soon they'll successfully build it. They wanted maglev powered using their bullet train engineers to assist in development while at the same time, trying to look for foreign experts that are willing to sell tech.

Japanese navy Izumo is the amphibious assault carrier? Currently is just helicopter carrier. When f35b delivered, it'|| become STOVL carrier. Japanese F35b will have to forgo stealth carrying external agm84 harpoon to attack enemy naval fleet. For air to air, f35b is limited to just 4 AMRAAMs carried internally.

 

[cnleio]

China type001A aircraft carrier on the way

 

[Deino]

@ kungfugymnast and Oldman1 & others !

Again - stick to the topic !
Vietnam War, "Rules of Engagement," ... killing combatants in the jungle and the My Lai Massacre is completely OFF-topic to the News and discussion regarding the PLN's second carrier.

As such You already got a warning ...

Deino

 

[monitor]

Is This China's First Homemade Aircraft Carrier?
China is working on its second aircraft carrier, the first to be indigenously built.

By Ankit Panda
October 02, 2015
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With little fanfare, China has probably started construction on its first indigenously-built aircraft carrier. Images from Chinese social media and satellite imagery from earlier this year, acquired by IHS Jane‘s 360, suggest that the new carrier has been under construction at the Dalian shipyard. The new carrier is reportedly using the same dry dock that was used to upgrade and refurbish the Varyag, a Soviet-designed and built Admiral Kuznetsov-class multirole carrier, into the Liaoning, the People’s Liberation Army-Navy’s sole aircraft carrier. The Liaoning was commissioned three years ago, in September, 2012. Analysts believe that China is planning to field a four-carrier navy. An image posted by a Weibo user earlier this year (above) purports to show progress on the carrier at the Dalian shipyard.

Satellite imagery analysis by Jane‘s reveals some features of the carrier’s physical dimensions. Specifically, the report notes that the dry dock support layout suggests the final carrier will have a hull around 270 meters with a beam of around 35 meters. Imagery in February showed a hull length of “150 to 170 m in length with a beam of about 30 m.” Preparations for the carrier have been ongoing at the Dalian shipyard since at least late-February this year, which is when Jane‘s first acquired satellite imagery. For comparison, the United States’ 100,000 ton Nimitz-class supercarriers feature a hull length of 333 meters with an overall beam of 77 meters and waterline beam measurement of 41 meters. The new Chinese carrier will be smaller than any carrier currently operated by the United States. In all likelihood, it’s final dimensions and tonnage may rival India’s ongoing second indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC-2), the INS Vishal. The Vishal, currently in its design phase, will displace 65,000 tons is 300 meters in length with a beam of 61 meters.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that China is already working on constructing its first homemade carriers. The Liaoning was mostly an exercise in prestige. The carrier lacks many of the features that make a carrier like the U.S. Nimitz- and Ford-class supercarriers so formidable. Additionally, its ability to sustain a high sortie rate is limited by its very design. There are several questions that we’ll want to keep an eye on with China’s new homemade carriers. First, are these vessels going to be true flattop carriers or will they be short take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) ski-jump carriers (only Russian, Indian, and Chinese carriers use this design)? Second, there is the question of propulsion. It’s incredibly unlikely that China’s first home-made carrier will be nuclear-powered. Rather, expect this ship to be conventionally powered (Dave Majumdar over at The National Interest explores the propulsion issue in some more detail).

Carriers play a curious role in the PLAN’s strategic approach to the region (Greg Austin and I discussed some of the questions around Chinese carriers on an old episode of The Diplomat‘s podcast). In general, China has favored asymmetric anti-access/area-denial systems, but that doesn’t mean it can’t and won’t pursue additional carriers for its fleet. As its latest white paper on defense emphasized, Beijing is looking to bolster its naval capabilities as it emerges as an expeditionary and global naval power. Additionally, with an ever-expanding number of frigates, destroyers, and submarines in its inventory, China will be able to adequately protect its carriers at sea—an important requirement for any navy that wishes to operate expeditionary carrier groups, like the United States.

 

[cnleio]

China Type001A A.C start building aircraft hangar

 

[lcloo]

 

[cnleio]

Keep building type001A

 

[lcloo]

We will see a lot of foreign "tourists" visiting Dalian from now on, good business for the hotels, all thanks to the new Casino.

I hope the shipyard can assemble one large modular block every 2-3 weeks, so that by end of year we should see a completed aircraft hangar and 30% to 40% of flight deck.

The bow, island and angled deck should appear by spring next year.

 

[cnleio]

We will see a lot of foreign "tourists" visiting Dalian from now on, good business for the hotels, all thanks to the new Casino.

I hope the shipyard can assemble one large modular block every 2-3 weeks, so that by end of year we should see a completed aircraft hangar and 30% to 40% of flight deck.

The bow, island and angled deck should appear by spring next year.

Trust me, Chinese police & armed police must be more than foreign "tourists" near DL shipyard ... they r waiting for their coming, what a attractive bait !

 

[cnleio]

Keep going