CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[grey boy 2]

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[Brainsucker]

Has the displacement tonnage for this new aircraft carrier been officially revealed yet? I had assumed it will be the same as the Liaoning, but the figures I saw reported online have been all over the place. Just about every number between 50,000 tonnes up to 70,000 tonnes can be found.

I don't see that tonnage is how we measure the ship. Rather than that, Size matter more. Because they need to be larger and has more space to be effective as an Aircraft Carrier, not how "fat" the ship is.

Being light can be considered as achievement if the size and technology are comparable to other heavier Ships

 

[Star Expedition]

Not just US, but everybody. You have to overestimate. Any homeowner must, upon seeing one intruder, assume that there could be another. If you see the shadow of something with length, do you assume a stick or the barrel of a shotgun ? Military history is filled with events where one side underestimated its opponent.

Chinese Defense Ministry Foreign Affairs Office Major General Qian Lihua said: "The navy of any great power has the dream to have one or more aircraft carriers. The question is not whether you have an aircraft carrier, but what you do with your aircraft carrier".

I am not making this up...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7732679.stm

The implication is serious and clear: That a one-carrier navy is essentially a 'showboat' carrier navy.

You may not like the derogatory tinge but that is the reality of power projection and worse -- war. General Qian made that implication yrs before the Liaoning was commissioned.

At its core, naval airpower is the delivery of the military's most potent weapon -- airpower -- to an area outside of home support. A single hull navy is predictable, you know where he will be and where he is going to land. No different with a navy that have only one aircraft carrier, you know where his extraterritorial airpower is heading and where it will be employed. A two-carrier navy is more difficult to predict, and more so with a navy that have multiple carriers fleets. Not even restrictive waters like the Mediterranean Sea is immune from multi-front naval airpower assaults. One way or another, that adversary will find air assault avenues in that restrictive body of water.

China is looking to at least control -- if not outright own -- the South China Sea region. The size of the Liaoning and her coming sister carriers will serve China's plan for the SCS very well. While these ships are not of the 'super carrier' class, each will not require as much escorts and support as the American super carriers, making each fleet quicker to respond to any potential threat in the SCS, especially when China's potential naval challengers in the region are essentially coastal, not quite open water navies.

The US is overplaying China's threat and capabilities ? Try also Viet Nam, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, and even Australia in this mix.

If the USA can have 12 carriers, we should have 36. Because of our huge population to protect.

If any country is not satisfied, just build their own or call USA navy for help.

 

[samsara]

If the USA can have 12 carriers, we should have 36. Because of our huge population to protect.

If any country is not satisfied, just build their own or call USA navy for help.

In that case China needs to "borrow the USD printing press" from the USA to finance the dozens "conveniently", otherwise not only the costs of making those A.C., even the overall operating bill itself is choking one's economy... and it has been happening on the printing press owner too.

 

[Star Expedition]

Then China needs to "borrow the USD printing press" from the USA to finance the dozens "conveniently", otherwise not only the costs of making, even the operating bills themselves are choking one's economy... and they have been happening on the printing press owner.

It is ok.
We still have control over the whole nation including monetary and foreign investment.

 

[lcloo]

Update 2017 April 4th.

 

[Deino]

Finally .... and here are four more images !

 

[Blue Marlin]

ok so when will she be hitting the water? @Deino .........

 

[Star Expedition]

too small.
It should be 200k tons.

 

[Deino]

Update 2017 April 4th.
View attachment 388747

For what are the parts in the hall ?? ... a civilian ship ? ... a second 001A or 001B or even already Type 002 ??

 

[grey boy 2]

For what are the parts in the hall ?? ... a civilian ship ? ... a second 001A or 001B or even already Type 002 ??

A little translation to my ability
Civilian ship: 4 holes at the lower front, 6 holes at the back, looks exactly as the Sinopec 11X cross sections
大连目前疑似分段应该是民船分段

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2378234-1-1.html

 

[lcloo]

Civilian ships usually stayed in the dry dock for relatively short time, 3 to 6 months would be quite normal.

If the next large navy ships (CV, LHD etc) will to occupy this dry dock, it would be in 3rd or 4th quarter of this year.

The exitement in Dalian will be the work in progress of 055 in another dry dock nearby.

 

[samsara]

China Reveals How Many Fighter Jets the New Aircraft Carrier Can Dock

Sputnik International - 2017.04.05 17:10 (updated 2017.04.05 17:31)

Chinese media has revealed that the new Chinese aircraft carrier will be able to dock 36 Jian-15 fighters [J-15].

According to Chinese news portal Sina, “At the moment, the aircraft carrier being prepared for launch is optimized in terms of load which compared to the Liaoning aircraft carrier can reach from 28 to 36 units of J-15 fighters.”

Currently, the Chinese Navy arsenal consists of the Liaoning aircraft carrier, created on the basis of the Soviet cruiser Varyag. Liaoning can base 24 J-15 fighters.

Earlier, Chinese media reported that the new aircraft carrier could be launched in late April 2017.

According to some experts, the likely date is April 23 which is the anniversary date of the founding of the PLA Navy.

The official representative of the Defense Ministry of the People's Republic of China, Wu Qian, said that the aircraft carrier, whose construction the country is conducting independently, is in its final stage.​

However, he did not confirm the statements made by the Chinese media regarding the exact launch date of the aircraft carrier.

Liaoning is a Type 001 class vessel. The first carrier was rebuilt out of the Soviet aircraft cruiser Varyag in early 2000s, with the first sea trial taking place in 2011. In September 2012, Liaoning was commissioned into the PLA Navy.

In late December 2015, the Chinese Defense Ministry announced plans to construct a new Liaoning aircraft carrier built by China itself.

 

[lcloo]

Today's photo, a foggy day a foggy photo. The white painted parts are appearing slowly. Can the painters finish painting the hull before the rumoured April 23rd launch date?

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

Should we expect water to fill up the dock and this aircraft carrier towed out to sea for its launch?