CSI Mumbai: How the Americans helped crack the Lashkar code

[FaujHistorian]

I agree with you, except how can we trust pakistan? Don't they view these non state actors as an asset

Trust is a two-way street my dear.

A two way street.

And quit spreading Islamist views.

For crying out loud, you are a sane Indian.

 

[Chronos]

Trust is a two-way street my dear.

A two way street.

And quit spreading Islamist views.

For crying out loud, you are a sane Indian.

Islamist view is using non state actors as an asset?

In real politic terms, any cooperation is doomed because of the mutual distrust.

I wish it were not so

 

[FaujHistorian]

Islamist view is using non state actors as an asset?

In real politic terms, any cooperation is doomed because of the mutual distrust.

I wish it were not so

Gandhi Ji and Nehru Ji and other Jis used "non state actors" against the states of Hyderabad and Junagadh.

Times change, policies change.

Please quit living in 1970s

 

[KRAIT]

You think Americans have better translators than Indians when it comes to understanding rabid Mullahs?
nah!Indian Rajas have done that for 1000s of years. Nothing new here. For centuries they bring in Afghanis, goras, chinese, etc. to fight the other rajas in the region.The only surprise is that usually it is the junior the little raja who does these kind of things.Perhaps 1000s of years occupation has turned central / south Indian mindset into permanent little raja.Sadly.

Did you even read the OP ? It wasn't about conversation of mullahs on radio. Let me post important parts for you so that you can at least read this time:


Not everyone on the Indian side was pleased.

The US team collected information from all the places attacked by the five Lashkar-e-Taiba teams.

They collected the serial numbers from the AK-47s and grenades used by the assailants as well as the DNA samples of all the terrorists and the US victims.

They used their communications link to confer with their bomb data centre in Virginia.

The FBI began to produce results quickly. They determined that the terrorists had used Arges grenades, a defunct Austrian brand – whose only remaining factory was in Pakistan.

The US tracked down the VoIP that the terrorists had used to talk to their handlers in Pakistan to a service provider based in New Jersey.

The US also tracked the payments, sent via MoneyGram and Western Union, to Peshawar and Italy. The Italian payment, as the chargesheet later noted, was made to a Pakistani passport holder.

The Americans also tracked the email trail of the VoIP account holder.


In February, an Indian team went to the US with more forensic material. They carried three of the five Maglem GPS handsets used by the Lashkar teams. The secrets of the other two had been unravelled by the Indian police. But these three, says Bharti, were damaged by fire.

An FBI laboratory in Virginia reconstructed the handsets. “They used software to get out the tracking information. This clearly showed the Lashkar men’s path from Karachi, across the waters, to Mumbai. It even had a bit where they drove through Karachi at the start to test the device,” says Bharti.

This was so beyond Indian forensic ability at the time that it was cited in the official chargesheet: “These GPS handsets were sent to the FBI laboratory and the details of the data recovered…”

The serial numbers of the Yamaha outboard motor used to power the dinghy that the Lashkar teams used for the last four to five miles before landing in Mumbai were also tracked by the FBI to a firm in Pakistan.

In some cases, say Indian officials, the FBI was used to corroborate evidence that the Indian police had determined themselves, such as the provenance of the terrorists’ Nokia phones.


As you can see, how much they helped and how advance their CSI is.

BTW India bringing in US is not like old times. We are not fighting same old wars. Here the common enemy is terrorism. We just used their facilities. And also a type of neutral certification.

Kindly go through the post carefully this time.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Did you even read the OP ? It wasn't about conversation of mullahs on radio. Let me post important parts for you so that you can at least read this time:


Not everyone on the Indian side was pleased.

The US team collected information from all the places attacked by the five Lashkar-e-Taiba teams.

They collected the serial numbers from the AK-47s and grenades used by the assailants as well as the DNA samples of all the terrorists and the US victims.

They used their communications link to confer with their bomb data centre in Virginia.

The FBI began to produce results quickly. They determined that the terrorists had used Arges grenades, a defunct Austrian brand – whose only remaining factory was in Pakistan.

The US tracked down the VoIP that the terrorists had used to talk to their handlers in Pakistan to a service provider based in New Jersey.

The US also tracked the payments, sent via MoneyGram and Western Union, to Peshawar and Italy. The Italian payment, as the chargesheet later noted, was made to a Pakistani passport holder.

The Americans also tracked the email trail of the VoIP account holder.


In February, an Indian team went to the US with more forensic material. They carried three of the five Maglem GPS handsets used by the Lashkar teams. The secrets of the other two had been unravelled by the Indian police. But these three, says Bharti, were damaged by fire.

An FBI laboratory in Virginia reconstructed the handsets. “They used software to get out the tracking information. This clearly showed the Lashkar men’s path from Karachi, across the waters, to Mumbai. It even had a bit where they drove through Karachi at the start to test the device,” says Bharti.

This was so beyond Indian forensic ability at the time that it was cited in the official chargesheet: “These GPS handsets were sent to the FBI laboratory and the details of the data recovered…”

The serial numbers of the Yamaha outboard motor used to power the dinghy that the Lashkar teams used for the last four to five miles before landing in Mumbai were also tracked by the FBI to a firm in Pakistan.

In some cases, say Indian officials, the FBI was used to corroborate evidence that the Indian police had determined themselves, such as the provenance of the terrorists’ Nokia phones.


As you can see, how much they helped and how advance their CSI is.

BTW India bringing in US is not like old times. We are not fighting same old wars. Here the common enemy is terrorism. We just used their facilities. And also a type of neutral certification.

Kindly go through the post carefully this time.

1. The US team collected information from all the places attacked by the five Lashkar-e-Taiba teams.

--- can easily be done by Indians

2. They collected the serial numbers from the AK-47s and grenades used by the assailants as well as the DNA samples of all the terrorists and the US victims.
--- can easily be done by Indians

3. They used their communications link to confer with their bomb data centre in Virginia.
What the fork is that?

4. The FBI began to produce results quickly. They determined that the terrorists had used Arges grenades, a defunct Austrian brand – whose only remaining factory was in Pakistan.
--- can easily be done by Indians

5. The US tracked down the VoIP that the terrorists had used to talk to their handlers in Pakistan to a service provider based in New Jersey.

--- can easily be done by Indians

6. The US also tracked the payments, sent via MoneyGram and Western Union, to Peshawar and Italy. The Italian payment, as the chargesheet later noted, was made to a Pakistani passport holder.

--- And that passport holder was Hafiz Saeed? If not him then who? And where is he now?

7. The Americans also tracked the email trail of the VoIP account holder.

--- can easily be done by Indians or they may have to request interpol/ service provider.


8. In February, an Indian team went to the US with more forensic material. They carried three of the five Maglem GPS handsets used by the Lashkar teams. The secrets of the other two had been unravelled by the Indian police. But these three, says Bharti, were damaged by fire.

An FBI laboratory in Virginia reconstructed the handsets. “They used software to get out the tracking information. This clearly showed the Lashkar men’s path from Karachi, across the waters, to Mumbai. It even had a bit where they drove through Karachi at the start to test the device,” says Bharti.

--- this really is Indian effort with a bit of help from US

This was so beyond Indian forensic ability at the time that it was cited in the official chargesheet: “These GPS handsets were sent to the FBI laboratory and the details of the data recovered…”

9. The serial numbers of the Yamaha outboard motor used to power the dinghy that the Lashkar teams used for the last four to five miles before landing in Mumbai were also tracked by the FBI to a firm in Pakistan.
--- can easily be done by Indians





So you see, 8 out of 9 steps could easily be done by Indians if they had some self respect.

The only area where Indians needed help was item 9 and that too was done in USA
when Indian team went there and no FBI CIA team was needed inside India.


But you will not understand.

Indian slave raja mentality will keep the whole region in relative darkness for a long time if things and our mindsets do not change.



peace

 

[khail007]

Both 26/11 and Moon Landing was fabricated, don't you know ?

Moon Landing ... U know about that. But for 26/11 - things are fermenting on your side ... !

 

[KRAIT]

@FaujHistorian Sorry bro. I give up. What an argument ?

And don't let me start on Self respect. Peace from my side too.

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian Sorry bro. I give up. What an argument ?

And don't let me start on Self respect. Peace from my side too.

yeah bro. Me too.


It is just sad to see Indians putting down their 1.XXX billion peopled country down.

Then what do you guys expect from someone who is only 200 million in population?

 

[ranjeet]

Not a perv.
I love her.
Bold, Beautiful, Brave, Professional etc. etc.
Full respect bhi karta hun.

Is it like ... thodi izzjat tum do ... to thodi apni izzjat woh degi !!!

 

[KRAIT]

Is it like ... thodi izzjat tum do ... to thodi apni izzjat woh degi !!!

Tu tere Avatar jaisa hi hai...

 

[ranjeet]

Tu tere Avatar jaisa hi hai...

Sorry Sir kya kare .... kabhi kabhi Mona ke PAUNA padta hai !!!

 

[manojb]

Terrorist attacks on this beautiful city and its people for horrible horrible to say the least.

Unfortuantely Indians quickly went sucking Uncle Sam's balls just to make sure Pakistan is dragged down a notch by the Americans.


This is pathetic.

Instead of landing FBI CIA, India should have immediately sent high powered delegation to Pakistan for setting up joint ops.


Jih@di menace in the subcontinent cannot be resolved until Indians start working with (instead of threatening war) Pakistan.


peace

You sir live in a parallel universe!

 

[Yeti]

We should learn from Mossad and become pro-active, using armed drones in Azad Kashmir will be a good start we can take these punks out while they sleep in their rat holes.

 

[Contrarian]

Terrorist attacks on this beautiful city and its people for horrible horrible to say the least.

Unfortuantely Indians quickly went sucking Uncle Sam's balls just to make sure Pakistan is dragged down a notch by the Americans.
This is pathetic.

Instead of landing FBI CIA, India should have immediately sent high powered delegation to Pakistan for setting up joint ops.

Jih@di menace in the subcontinent cannot be resolved until Indians start working with (instead of threatening war) Pakistan.
peace

US expertise in such crimes in unrivaled. India does not have the resources they have and the experience they have in technical factors.
Half the evidence against Pakistan only came because US officers were able to take out details from broken and fire damaged GPS devices and money trails.

India is learning a lot from US in forensic sciences. India scores highest in this department by South Asian Standards, unfortunately terrorists try to keep ahead of those standards.