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CRPF asks govt to replace Insas guns with AK rifles

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On topic: How come it is not good enough for the CRPF, when it is the standard rifle of the infantry?

@vk17 : Could you explain?
The Insas 1B1 are much better than the Bulgarian Aks. Trust me CRPF except its Cobra commandos ,they can hardly maintain any standard rifles.
Look at their fatigues even ISIS like militant group are better equipped and trained.They never upgraded to INSAS 1B1
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Yes must be done asap,,,insas is quite simply not good enough in 2014.
Army will get multi calibre rifles soon enough in few years for sure,,,maybe crpf will be upgraded too
They are fighting most brutal force and they may be get upgraded
 
Crpf only asking to replace not buy new AK ... Thank god for that..

If what other member saying is true , then CRPF breaking the toys and asking for new one..:mad:
 
On topic: How come it is not good enough for the CRPF, when it is the standard rifle of the infantry?

@vk17 : Could you explain?

There would be several reasons for that. I'll list out a few in no particular order.

1. The CRPF aren't infused with the same strict regimen as their army counterparts. On top of that, there are fewer, and less effective supervision of the jawans in CRPF (CAPF) by their commanders. When you conflate this with the fact that a CRPF jawan by nature of his duties is likely to be deployed much longer than a IA jawan, you have the classic case of lack of proper maintenance of the rifle.

The INSAS is more maintenance intensive than the AK. In the army, this doesn't cause too much trouble, given their standards, but in the CRPF, it definitely will have a negative affect.

2. The problems listed in the article appear to be the ones plaguing the earlier batches of the INSAS. The army suffered them too, till as late as 2011. This was despite the IA depots already receiving the updated and rectified rifles by 2009-10. Why? Because the standard procedure of the IA supply was to replace only the damaged or lost ones. In effect, a two year backlog of rifles had accumulated, with the soldiers not getting the rectified rifles because their faulty rifles had not been damaged. The problem was corrected soon enough though.

This might be one of the reasons in the CRPF as well, especially when you consider the fact that the CRPF doesn't have the luxury of buying excess rifles.

3. The CRPF usually engage in urban, semi urban or forested environments; areas where the distances are below 100 m. At such short ranges, given the higher velocity of the 5.56 rounds, the possibility exists that the round will go right through the militant, without taking him out of the fight. This is also excaberated by the fact that militants are usually high on alcohol or drugs, and might not feel the effects of the puncture wound till the effect of the drug/alcohol exists.

An Ak 7.62 on the other hand, will stop him dead, regardless of how high he is. That's usually referred to as stopping power, and is one of the reasons the US wanted 7.62 rounds in Iraq etc.
 
Well, somebody in this thread asked whether they are maintaining it properly? I have also the same question in my mind. If they do not maintain it well, then AKs will also flop!!
 
Shouldn't we conduct a comparative trials for all indian rifles ?:what:
 
INSAS was having jamming problems back in 99 Kargil. Still having them looks like our whole defence industry is worth its value in scrap
Nonsense of the highest order. The issues related to stoppages in 1999 were corrected over a decade ago, since then the INSAS has been developed into an accurate, reliable and proven standard issue rifle that has served the IA very well but it is over 2 decades old now and the time has come to look for a replacement (MCIWS).

On topic: How come it is not good enough for the CRPF, when it is the standard rifle of the infantry?

@vk17 : Could you explain?

It's quite simple and only idiots would jump on this news and start bashing the INSAS. The CRPF are talking about replacing the INSAS with their units deployed in COIN (anti-Naxal) operations where they, just like the IA's RR, prefer the "stopping power" of the 7.62mm round.

The INSAS was always intended to be the IA's "battle rifle" i.e. for their conventional units but when units are deployed for COIN (the RR) they are issued the 7.62mm firing AK family- it has been this way for decades. It doesn't mean the INSAS is not a capable weapon in any way shape or form.


This is exactly the issue the MCIWS is intended to address- one rifle will be able to be used in any conflict the IA is engaged in (COIN conflicts, firing the 7.62mm, and conventional wars, firing the 5.56mm) with some minimal parts changes.
 
Nonsense of the highest order. The issues related to stoppages in 1999 were corrected over a decade ago, since then the INSAS has been developed into an accurate, reliable and proven standard issue rifle that has served the IA very well but it is over 2 decades old now and the time has come to look for a replacement (MCIWS).

I guess you did not read article.
How typical
 
CRPF has said the gun gets frequently jammed at crucial times and is a danger to the life of jawans during anti-Naxal and anti-insurgency operations.


@Abingdonboy here you go since you are probably too dumb to go through the article yourself
 
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