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Cross-border raid: Strategic analysts laugh off Indian claim

Indian claims are nothing but pure bullsh!t & rubbish, they are only lying to the world & doing massive propaganda against Pakistan, but there are few good nationalist people like Ms. Lodhi, who is doing an excellent job on protecting Pakistan in international forums.
 
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An actual report by a Pakistani Jawaan soldier RE recent incidents @ our LOC:
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attk was on my company . By the grace of God we have responded agressilvely . And push them back in their on territory . Killing 6 of them cfm reports . And we lost a one brave son of soil .

. Maj Usman Mirza of 8 NLI

Indian claim of surgical strikes - bull shit. Bastards dare not. It was not even a good cease fire violation by LOC standards. We are waiting for them for so many days.
They tried at four places. In my area, Alhamdlillah, they were spotted while still 1500 ms inside their area. We blasted them well and proper and they ran back with their pants down. In other sectors also, they were spotted much earlier. Thereafter, they settled for just an exchange of fire from a distance only. At one place, they were halted right at the LOC from where they ran back like jackals. Our casualties were due to mortar fire.
I am at Chhamb. They did nothing. Initially, they tried to cross LOC but we detected them well inside their territory and held them right in their tracks. They ran back leaving many dread bodies on the LOC. On our side, there are only two Shaheeds due to mortar fire. No Indian could dare to set foot on Pak Sar Zameen.
We have their eight dead bodies lying on the LOC opposite Tatta pani. Bastards can even lift them from there. Making totally false claims.
Very soon, they will be shamed as we will bring undeniable proofs.
Regards Sir
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I have received the same message...with actual names and mobile numbers as well... i did not post for that reason
 
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ISLAMABAD:The Indian army’s claim that it has carried out ‘surgical strikes’ on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control (LoC) begs the question: Is such a sophisticated and precision-guided operation possible in a highly militarised zone? Or, does the Indian military have the wherewithal to mount such an operation?


The de facto border that divides the Himalayan region of Kashmir into Pakistan and India is around 880 kilometres long. For decades, there has been a huge concentration of troops on both sides of the LoC. In recent years, India taking advantage of the 2003 ceasefire agreement has erected a fence along the LoC and of late employed the latest surveillance devices to stop any infiltration from the Pakistani side.

Since the Uri attack that heightened tensions and sparked fears of a possible military showdown, Pakistani Army has been on the ‘high state of alert’ to deal with any untoward situation. In this situation, was it plausible that special Indian forces intruded deep into the Pakistani side, carried out operation at multiple sites, stayed there for almost six hours, eliminated so-called ‘terror launch pads’ and then went back without even suffering any casualties?

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The Indian army provided little insight as to how the entire operation was conducted. The media there, however, said the operation was a combination of heliborne and ground forces. Special forces were para-dropped for the operation, it added. It said alleged terror launch pads targeted were in the range of 2- 3 kilometres from the LoC.

Indian officials claimed that special forces targeted at least seven different places inside the LoC. This means, according to a Pakistani military official, a minimum of 70 Indian troops intruded and carried out the so-called ‘surgical strikes’.

“This looks a fantastic movie script,” said the official, who has the knowledge of LoC and terrain there. “Do you think it was possible that more than 70 Indian soldiers were on our side of the LoC for hours and our forces couldn’t detect them,” asked the official. “This is just unbelievable story created by the Indian side for public consumption.”

Officially, Pakistan rebutted the Indian claim, insisting that there had been cross-LoC fire initiated and conducted by India. This, Pakistan Army pointed out, was existential phenomenon where the two countries often exchange fire at the LoC.

Defence analysts are also astonished at the Indian claim of conducting surgical strikes and that too at a time when relations between the two arch enemies are on the edge and any misadventurism may lead to a serious military conflict.

Maj Gen (retd) Ejaz Awan finds the Indian claims that special forces were para-dropped as unbelievable. “So, if they para-dropped special troops, then how they pulled them out after they completed their so-called surgical strikes,” he questioned. “For pulling out these troops, you need helicopters on the ground,” he explained saying this was easier said than done.

Lt Gen (retd) Amjad Shoaib, who had also served at the LoC during his service, concurred with the assessment. He said intrusion was possible at some mountainous areas along the LoC, but to say that Indian special forces came and carried out ‘surgical strikes’ and went back undetected was “too good a story to be believed”.

India’s claim finds few takers. A current affairs and defence magazine for Asia-Pacific questioned India’s capability to launch such a sophisticated and coordinated attack.

“Surgical strikes can be conducted through airborne or artillery based precision-guided strikes or ground force based assaults; both of which require sophisticated intelligence collection, platforms to conduct collections, and surveillance of target sites and objectives,” military expert Shawn Snow wrote in The Diplomat magazine.

“India is still on the cusp of building a sophisticated and modernised asymmetrical capability to conduct counterterror operations, while much of its forces are still organised and trained on Cold War models,” he said.

“Over the last decade, India has spearheaded efforts to modernise her military to include domestic production of UAVs. Rostum I & II could provide India with an air platform capable of surgical strikes for target surveillance, and intelligence collection. However, these platforms are still in development.”

If this is the case, then it begs a question: why the Narendra Modi government presented a routine exchange of fire as ‘surgical strikes’? The reason, experts say, is that the Indian prime minister was under immense pressure to live up to his own promises that his administration would punish the Uri attackers.

Modi has launched a diplomatic offensive against Pakistan taking a series of steps such as boycotting the Saarc summit, threatening to review the water treaty as well as MFN status for Pakistan. But all those measures, he knew, would make little difference to Pakistan.

“Hence he [Modi] needs face saving,” said Gen Shoaib. By claiming that the Indian military carried out surgical strikes, Modi can now go to the public and hyper-nationalist media that he avenged the Uri attack.

This situation, many observers believe, would help Modi build his election campaign for the crucial state elections in politically important states such as Utar Pradesh next year.

When asked, a senior military official said Pakistan ‘does not foresee’ any escalation in tensions but added that the country’s armed forces were vigilant to face any threat.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 30th, 2016.

Ok please answer me. When the operation began in the mid night COAS and all Ur officials rushed to Nawaz Sharif resident and then first thing he did was to call US White house. Later Kerry Called Indian Rashtrapathi bavan. While operation were going on.

Why u would call US and China in midnight if it's regular ceasefire violations. In the past 15 years of ceasefire when did you call US and China for ceasefire from Indian side.

And today we know nearly 5 battalions of Ur army is place to our borders. Army leaves canceled and put on full alert. Navy in full alert. Airforce keeps circulating Ur airspace during and after the operation. ?

These are not normal development for ceasefire violations. Something had happened. Now u are shell bound. Don't know what to do. If you accept surgical strike then what where these terrorists where doing? Well I got information that US government informed about surgical strike. But timing was surprised for successful operation. End of the day we came. Devastated our target and came back without major loss. That's operation success. And best operation among all armed forces in the world . As we know Ur army on high alert in anticipation of retaliation from India.

For the people it could be what ever comes on news. But I belive for many experts in this field. We can make out what has really happened....!!!

Most importantly India already shared its operations footage with Russia Israel and US (as far as we now till now) may be Chinese. That's why no one made any fizz about open acceptance of surgical strike by Indian Army.


So lets come on now. Get real . Hope terrorists thrown out of our region. Each respect each other's aspirations. And work for development of our poor people . India today is whole lot powerful than 2014. We had capacity capabilities but lacked leadership. Once we got all nations came to our side.

From SAARC to UN. And no one spoke a word against india for open military escalation. Not even China. !!! Time for Pakistan to wake up and check itself before you reck your self
 
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guess what i just crossed from azad kashmir to other side and throw a stone a indian soldier and ran back home, woah am tired now need summat drink yeah modis chai will do. it took 25 minutes to run other side. i have proof if they find my sandal, india might show it on tv. its made in pakistan they look identical to this but i only lost one pair.
maybe like cinderella i try it on to prove it if india sends it back. plz india do send it back, mums not happy expensive chapal.

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Indian claims are nothing but pure bullsh!t & rubbish, they are only lying to the world & doing massive propaganda against Pakistan, but there are few good nationalist people like Ms. Lodhi, who is doing an excellent job on protecting Pakistan in international forums.

Brother I can understand you only belive what your army or Ur country states. US think tank already satisfied with the report. Indian Army don't have to lie in this manner to fool its people. Which will be the greatest betrayal after URI incident which hurt me and lots other citizens. They don't have to be political and they won't be. They were given a job by political masters PMO CCS and they did it will Great success. Time to ask what Pakistan Army was doing
 
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Anyway it is good, if Pakistan believes that surgical strikes have not happened. This will bring down the escalation.


The Newest and most unique and strange example of Surgical strike.

Its done without crossing border (actually artillery shelling which is daily routine now a days)
keep in mind artillery has max 30km range and Pak army and any so called terrorist element is not dumb enough to keep launching pads with in this range.

2 enemy(Pakistani) soldiers died in so called surgical(cross border shelling) while 8 own soldiers killed in reaction artillery fire(so called surgical strike back by Pakistan) and one soldier captured by enemy while trying to cross LOC.

No high value target or their cohort killed.

No video and picture and GPS or any other evidences given. Even Enemy(Pakistan) has posted multiple videos where Indian soldiers are getting killed by artillery reaction fire.

and the funniest of all, you have to tell enemy that you have done strike in his land.

The Newest and most unique and strange example of Surgical strike.

Its done without crossing border (actually artillery shelling which is daily routine now a days)
keep in mind artillery has max 30km range and Pak army and any so called terrorist element is not dumb enough to keep launching pads with in this range.

2 enemy(Pakistani) soldiers died in so called surgical(cross border shelling) while 8 own soldiers killed in reaction artillery fire(so called surgical strike back by Pakistan) and one soldier captured by enemy while trying to cross LOC.

No high value target or their cohort killed.

No video and picture and GPS or any other evidences given. Even Enemy(Pakistan) has posted multiple videos where Indian soldiers are getting killed by artillery reaction fire.

and the funniest of all, you have to tell enemy that you have done strike in his land.
 
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Brother I can understand you only belive what your army or Ur country states. US think tank already satisfied with the report. Indian Army don't have to lie in this manner to fool its people. Which will be the greatest betrayal after URI incident which hurt me and lots other citizens. They don't have to be political and they won't be. They were given a job by political masters PMO CCS and they did it will Great success. Time to ask what Pakistan Army was doing
Tycoon Adil Minhas is back as Ram Mahadev @The Sandman @WAJsal
 
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A real surgical strike in Pakistan would have given it enough reasons to retaliate
and we could have returned the favor in Afghanistan or by crossing LOC and also unlike Indians come back with proofs

but what can we expect more from these Indian they believe in everything that their govt and media says
 
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Ok please answer me. When the operation began in the mid night COAS and all Ur officials rushed to Nawaz Sharif resident and then first thing he did was to call US White house. Later Kerry Called Indian Rashtrapathi bavan. While operation were going on.

Why u would call US and China in midnight if it's regular ceasefire violations. In the past 15 years of ceasefire when did you call US and China for ceasefire from Indian side.

And today we know nearly 5 battalions of Ur army is place to our borders. Army leaves canceled and put on full alert. Navy in full alert. Airforce keeps circulating Ur airspace during and after the operation. ?

These are not normal development for ceasefire violations. Something had happened. Now u are shell bound. Don't know what to do. If you accept surgical strike then what where these terrorists where doing? Well I got information that US government informed about surgical strike. But timing was surprised for successful operation. End of the day we came. Devastated our target and came back without major loss. That's operation success. And best operation among all armed forces in the world . As we know Ur army on high alert in anticipation of retaliation from India.

For the people it could be what ever comes on news. But I belive for many experts in this field. We can make out what has really happened....!!!

Most importantly India already shared its operations footage with Russia Israel and US (as far as we now till now) may be Chinese. That's why no one made any fizz about open acceptance of surgical strike by Indian Army.


So lets come on now. Get real . Hope terrorists thrown out of our region. Each respect each other's aspirations. And work for development of our poor people . India today is whole lot powerful than 2014. We had capacity capabilities but lacked leadership. Once we got all nations came to our side.

From SAARC to UN. And no one spoke a word against india for open military escalation. Not even China. !!! Time for Pakistan to wake up and check itself before you reck your self

No no no you are right everyone somehow was a sleep like the whole azad kashmir and no one saw or heard shit your logic is on another world mate
 
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No no no you are right everyone somehow was a sleep like the whole azad kashmir and no one saw or heard shit your logic is on another world mate
U really think 5 battalions will be posted at Indian borders by Pakistan for just small arms fires as mentioned by Ur Defence Minister? In the name of excersise Ur Airforce Army Navy was put on high alert till date. Due to small arms fire? See its catch 22 situation.

Tycoon Adil Minhas is back as Ram Mahadev @The Sandman @WAJsal
It's serious insult to compare me with some one else. I totally reject this claim
 
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U really think 5 battalions will be posted at Indian borders by Pakistan for just small arms fires as mentioned by Ur Defence Minister? In the name of excersise Ur Airforce Army Navy was put on high alert till date. Due to small arms fire? See its catch 22 situation.


It's serious insult to compare me with some one else. I totally reject this claim

No no you are an angel always right make sure you add captured Chinese workers in the process mate
 
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Ok please answer me. When the operation began in the mid night COAS and all Ur officials rushed to Nawaz Sharif resident and then first thing he did was to call US White house. Later Kerry Called Indian Rashtrapathi bavan. While operation were going on.

Why u would call US and China in midnight if it's regular ceasefire violations. In the past 15 years of ceasefire when did you call US and China for ceasefire from Indian side.

And today we know nearly 5 battalions of Ur army is place to our borders. Army leaves canceled and put on full alert. Navy in full alert. Airforce keeps circulating Ur airspace during and after the operation. ?

These are not normal development for ceasefire violations. Something had happened. Now u are shell bound. Don't know what to do. If you accept surgical strike then what where these terrorists where doing? Well I got information that US government informed about surgical strike. But timing was surprised for successful operation. End of the day we came. Devastated our target and came back without major loss. That's operation success. And best operation among all armed forces in the world . As we know Ur army on high alert in anticipation of retaliation from India.

For the people it could be what ever comes on news. But I belive for many experts in this field. We can make out what has really happened....!!!

Most importantly India already shared its operations footage with Russia Israel and US (as far as we now till now) may be Chinese. That's why no one made any fizz about open acceptance of surgical strike by Indian Army.


So lets come on now. Get real . Hope terrorists thrown out of our region. Each respect each other's aspirations. And work for development of our poor people . India today is whole lot powerful than 2014. We had capacity capabilities but lacked leadership. Once we got all nations came to our side.

From SAARC to UN. And no one spoke a word against india for open military escalation. Not even China. !!! Time for Pakistan to wake up and check itself before you reck your self


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Your hilarious no one in the world has taken your cock and bull story seriously

Its a comedy central brings you surgical strike episode

The air drops, 150 soldiers trekking for 10 hours across a heavily manned Loc during high tensions, 3km inside Pakistan then a 4 hour firefight with terrorists without awakening the thousands of Pakistan soldiers on duty and then trekking back


Its a work of comedic nonsense


No country has taken this bull plop seriously as its a obvious piece of propaganda for the hindutva domestic audience
 
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Actually this will not bring the escalation down ..Surely the revenge of 2 martyred soldiers will be taken
For you people value of human life is nothing but lower than pee of your holy cows and the biggest example is your atrocity in kashmir So surely failed false propaganda of surgical strikes matters none to us but life's of our soldiers matter alot so thinking of escalation to come down is none other than dreaming ....

Revenge has already been taken, the word is, Indians casualties are, 20 dead and 39 wounded in retaliatory strikes by Pakistan (these include artillery and small arms strikes)
 
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