Crashed Pakistani UAV was 'on experimental flight'

[_NOBODY_]

this was posted by one of our member last year

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this crashed Wing Loong drone is indication for the trials of our MALE category UAV/UCAV program

If this information is true then we can get our hands on CH-5 right ?
@Quwa

 

[Quwa]

If this information is true then we can get our hands on CH-5 right ?
@Quwa

CH-5 hasn't been cleared for export, CASCs waiting for the Chinese government.

 

[hk299792458]

I confirm that this is a Wing Loong MALE from AVIC.

In addition to what you've identified, we can also see the production references printed on the aircraft, as what Chengdu's 132 Factory used to do as usual. See in yellow :

Hope this helps.

Henri K.

 

[Arsalan]

We didn't induct the Wing Loong the first time, I take it (if this was a test flight) it won't be for the second time either. @Arsalan

There were some talks of CH-4 however.
Better range, better payload capacity, Already using same series drone (CH-3). We also seem to prefer THAT particular supplier (design and manufactured by CASC) over the Wing Loonge option.

CH-4, if and when inducted will be a great purchase.

 

[TaimiKhan]

1. I don't know

2. I am stating the facts as they are: the PAF prefers working with CASC on drones as opposed to CAIG. This is why there is a higher chance of the PAF selecting the CH-4B over Wing Loong 2.

3. They're direct competitors, similar.

PAF is closer to the CAIG since JF-17s are being made with them & J-7s. We have good number of people stationed at Chengdu facilities, thus going for this option seems more likely.

And since they have been inducted by PLAAF then chances of us getting them also becomes stronger. We would be opting for something which is used by PLAAF compared to what they are exporting & that will be the CH series.

https://chinadefencetodaydotcom.fil...6956950-e1459178101378.jpg?w=926&h=359&crop=1

 

[Quwa]

PAF is closer to the CAIG since JF-17s are being made with them & J-7s. We have good number of people stationed at Chengdu facilities, thus going for this option seems more likely.

Yea - but when it comes to drones, we have been closer to CASC (e.g. CH-3/A).

 

[TaimiKhan]

Yea - but when it comes to drones, we have been closer to CASC (e.g. CH-3/A).

CH-3 stop gap measurement since there was no other option at the time. But it seems now Chengdu has an option and i believe CH-4 & Wing Loong would be with nearly same figures.

 

[zebra7]

This drone is confirmed Wing Loong-2, and it confirm that Pakistan have inducted Wing Loong-2, that's the reason India desperate to induct U.S Drone.

The platform resembles the MQ-9 Reaper high-altitude long-endurance UCAV, which is manufactured by American firm General Atomics primarily for the US Air Force, IHS Jane's 360 reported.

Photographs published earlier this year on Chinese websites suggest that flight-testing of the Wing Loong has already begun.

While the UCAV is likely to be exported under the name Wing Loong II, the drone can be expected to enter the People's Liberation Army Air Force alongside the smaller Chengdu GJ-1/Wing Loong.

Like the MQ-9 Reaper, the Wing Loong is powered by a single pusher turboprop engine; places its satellite communication system and primary optical system in the nose; and employs large V-stabilizers with a smaller vertical stabilizer below the empennage, IHS Jane's reported.

While the UCAVs are nearly identical in size, their performance differs – most likely due to their respective engines.

The MQ-9 has a maximum speed of 300 miles per hour and can reach a max altitude of 50,000 feet. The Wing Loong II has a maximum speed of 230 miles per hour and can reach an altitude of 30,000 feet.

They also differ greatly in their external payload. The MQ-9 can carry 3,085 pounds, while the Wing Loong II can carry 1,060 pounds.

A brochure image shows the Wing Loong II carrying 12 air-to-surface missiles. Multiple Chinese companies have developed families of UCAV weapons, including precision-guided missiles, bombs and air-to-air missiles, IHS Jane's reported.


And here's the video-clip:

Similar UAV crash also occur at the Miawali MM Khan Airbase on 15th Jan.



@Quwa @PARIKRAMA @MilSpec @Arsalan @Abingdonboy


Now it is for sure that Wing Loong 2 have been inducted by PAF, that's why IAF is pussing toward the induction of superior MQ-9 Reaper from USA.

 

[Arsalan]

CH-3 stop gap measurement since there was no other option at the time. But it seems now Chengdu has an option and i believe CH-4 & Wing Loong would be with nearly same figures.

There are quite a few differences and CH-4 offers more then the Wing Loonge or Wing Lonnge II in terms of payload and range. Yes we are closer to Chengdu generally speaking but unless they come up with something that is actually better then what we can get in form of CH-4 we MUST stick with CASC. It is also not like that we cannot work with them both, especially considering that it is China!
Unless ing loonge have improved to be better or on par that the very least with the CH-4 i hope we start that project with CASC.

 

[Beast]

Wing loong is in fact better than CH series. Wing loong is officially chosen by PLAAF as its main drone. It flies faster and Kazshanstan , UAE, Saudi and including PAF has indicted Wing loong as it UCAV. Just one crashed doesn't make it a bad plane. Maybe the operator is not very familiar with the operating? Fact is, wing loong is a good product recognised by its buyer and its exported to few countries and deploy by PLAAF proves something.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Wing loong is in fact better than CH series. Wing loong is officially chosen by PLAAF as its main drone. It flies faster and Kazshanstan , UAE, Saudi and including PAF has indicted Wing loong as it UCAV. Just one crashed doesn't make it a bad plane. Maybe the operator is not very familiar with the operating? Fact is, wing loong is a good product recognised by its buyer and its exported to few countries and deploy by PLAAF proves something.

There is another option that Pakistan can wait until CH-5 is cleared for export.

 

[hk299792458]

This drone is confirmed Wing Loong-2, and it confirm that Pakistan have inducted Wing Loong-2, that's the reason India desperate to induct U.S Drone.

Sorry but this picture is taken in April 2006 !! This is a Predator B down in Nogales, Arizona.

Wing Loong 2 may have already flown but one thing is sure, it is still under development in China. End of January this year it was still carrying out outdoor RCS tests in Chengdu.

It has very little chance that Wing Loong 2 was sent to Pakistan in this stage of development.

I remain so my conclusion that it was a Wing Loong (WD-1 in official reference). And, there is no any official news that Pakistan has inducted Wing Loong, so let's wait for official announcement.

Henri K.

 

[zebra7]

Sorry but this picture is taken in April 2006 !! This is a Predator B down in Nogales, Arizona.

Wing Loong 2 may have already flown but one thing is sure, it is still under development in China. End of January this year it was still carrying out outdoor RCS tests in Chengdu.

It has very little chance that Wing Loong 2 was sent to Pakistan in this stage of development.

I remain so my conclusion that it was a Wing Loong (WD-1 in official reference). And, there is no any official news that Pakistan has inducted Wing Loong, so let's wait for official announcement.

Henri K.

The first picture and the Video I posted is from the Pakistan Media source -- The Nation and the Pakistani news.

 

[Blue Marlin]

This drone is confirmed Wing Loong-2, and it confirm that Pakistan have inducted Wing Loong-2, that's the reason India desperate to induct U.S Drone.

The platform resembles the MQ-9 Reaper high-altitude long-endurance UCAV, which is manufactured by American firm General Atomics primarily for the US Air Force, IHS Jane's 360 reported.

Photographs published earlier this year on Chinese websites suggest that flight-testing of the Wing Loong has already begun.

While the UCAV is likely to be exported under the name Wing Loong II, the drone can be expected to enter the People's Liberation Army Air Force alongside the smaller Chengdu GJ-1/Wing Loong.

Like the MQ-9 Reaper, the Wing Loong is powered by a single pusher turboprop engine; places its satellite communication system and primary optical system in the nose; and employs large V-stabilizers with a smaller vertical stabilizer below the empennage, IHS Jane's reported.

While the UCAVs are nearly identical in size, their performance differs – most likely due to their respective engines.

The MQ-9 has a maximum speed of 300 miles per hour and can reach a max altitude of 50,000 feet. The Wing Loong II has a maximum speed of 230 miles per hour and can reach an altitude of 30,000 feet.

They also differ greatly in their external payload. The MQ-9 can carry 3,085 pounds, while the Wing Loong II can carry 1,060 pounds.

A brochure image shows the Wing Loong II carrying 12 air-to-surface missiles. Multiple Chinese companies have developed families of UCAV weapons, including precision-guided missiles, bombs and air-to-air missiles, IHS Jane's reported.

Similar UAV crash also occur at the Miawali MM Khan Airbase on 15th Jan.

Now it is for sure that Wing Loong 2 have been inducted by PAF, that's why IAF is pussing toward the induction of superior MQ-9 Reaper from USA.

the last pic is of a ch-5 which is bigger than the loong wing and the ch-4and is still in development
the loong wing which crashed can only carry a 200kg payload

Chinese Air Force Wing-Loong I armed UAV at AirShow China 2014 in Zhuhai, China

The Chengdu Pterodactyl I also known as Wing-Loong is a Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), developed by the Chinese Defense Company AVIC ( Aviation Industry Corporation of China).

The Chinese Armed Forces currently employ UAVs in a wide range of missions, though the extent to which it does so and its level of overall proficiency and integration are unclear. According to official press, the PLA has incorporated UAVs into large-scale, multi-force training exercises over the last several years.

This platform is capable of reconnaissance, surveillance, and meteorological operations. At the AirShow China in Zhuhai, the Chinese Air Force display the Wing-Loong with its full range of weapon systems and optics showing its capabilities to conduct combat missions.

The Wing-Loong UAV at AirShow China 2014 was exhibited along with seven weapons including missiles and bombs: FT-9/50 50 kg bomb for drone, FT-10/25 25 kg bomb for drone, BRMI-90 90mm guided rocket, GB-4/100 precision guided munition, GB-7/50 50 kg precision guided munition, FT-7/130 small 130 kg bomb with planar wing.

This UAV can also be armed with the AKD-10, an air-to-surface anti-tank missile which can be used not only for armored targets, but also against bunkers, fortifications, and vehicles without armor.

The 1,100 kg Wing Loong is about the same size as the American MQ-1 Predator and can fly for over 4,000 kilometers in 20 hours. It has 200kg payload of armaments and sensors. The electro-optical turret in the Wing Loong's nose makes it highly adept at surveillance and targeting.

On April 19, 2104, Saudi Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz meet with People's Liberation Army Deputy Chief of Staff Lt. General Wang Guanzhong to sign a contract for an unspecified amount of Wing-Loong UAVs.

The United Arab Emirates had reportedly purchased the Wing Loong in 2011, though the first examples had heating problems in the desert climate.

AKD-10 air-to-surface anti-tank missile

FT-7/130 small 130 kg bomb with planar wing.

GB-7/50 50 kg precision guided munition

GB-4/100 precision guided munition

BRMI-90 90mm guided rocket

FT-9/50 50 kg bomb for drone

FT-10/25 25 kg bomb for drone
as for requesting ucavs from the usa it wont happen as you have joined the mtcr and it prohibits the sale of armed drones with a range of more than 300km and a payload of 500kg.

 

[zebra7]

as for requesting ucavs from the usa it wont happen as you have joined the mtcr and it prohibits the sale of armed drones with a range of more than 300km and a payload of 500kg.

Brother while MTCR prohibits the sale of armed drones and missile with a range of more than 300 km and 500 kg aka Category 1 weapons to non member states, but the members of MTCR could sale them among each other. This is the second time you are quoting the same. Is there any confussion ??

Indian membership to the regime has two implications. First, India’s accession will be seen as strengthening its own export controls, therefore lessening those risks and making it easier for other MTCR members to justify transferring sensitive technology to India. Second, while MTCR guidelines themselves do not explicitly distinguish between transfers to members and non-members – they focus instead on what is being exported and end-use, rather than the membership status of the recipient – American law does make this distinction. In particular, it specifically targets foreigners who help the missile programmes of MTCR non-members. And despite India’s “harmonisation” with the guidelines, US legislators have declared that “India is not an MTCR adherent”. India’s formal membership will presumably mean that other countries can be less fearful of US sanctions if they wish to sell to India.

Joining MTCR means India will follow the MTCR guidelines while exporting weapons to other countries e.g Brahmos to vietnam should not have range more than 300 km.