CPEC aims to bring together China, India and Pakistan.

[egodoc222]

Comparing to Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai....

It's 9th biggest in the country!!

 

[Sully3]

Kashmir is the only solution, give it up & let's make peace & work together. Let Kashmir & GB join J&K as per UN resolution. Then we can look at building our relations & countries. We can even jointly develop CPEC. We will make it CIPEC. It's more in Pakistan's interest than for India.

If not this will just continue to no end. No use of such threads. Your stubbornness will only lead to war. Pakistan is more in turmoil & a dependent country, not India. So take wise decision. If not stay content by wasting time debating your claims & exchanging hatred. It wont get anywhere.

"give it up" you know. hahahahah

why don't you give up the illegally indian occupied kashmir instead. don't ask for something you can't give yourself.

Pakistan and China will never recognise the indian illegally occupied kashmir as part of India. we saw what indian armed forces were capable off in the Sur Ji Kal strikes drama they played out, every single western media outlet was laughing at the indian claims.

 

[danger007]

Yesh considering population of both countries.


Okay from Chahbahar to Azerbaijan to Russia then to CARs? LOL. Okay. I thought Banya was good at business startegy.

consider population and economy... do math... we still hold better economy..

 

[Great Sachin]

Nah....India will stay at distance and get jealous of game changing CPEC

 

[Awi]

March 28, 2017, 12:10 AM IST Economic Times in ET Commentary | Economy, India, World | ET

By Kai Xue

The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is the game-changing package of Chinese capital and engineering worth $54 billion in investment and lending. But the ultimate aim is to bring together China, India and Pakistan as part of a Eurasian market forged by Chinese President Xi Jinping’s ‘One Belt, One Road’ policy.

Indians hear nefarious military overtones in this initiative’s inaptly chosen name. Already, uneasy about any joint endeavour by Pakistan and China, the name gives the exclusive impression of a communication line to bridge the Indian Ocean and China from Baluchistan’s Gwadar port up through the Karakorum highway into Xinjiang, the mini-continent-sized northwest province of China.

Perceiving the CPEC to be a threat and objecting to projects in Indianclaimed areas, India has stayed away from ‘Belt and Road’. In his 2016 Independence Day speech, Prime Minister Narendra Modi voiced support for movements in Baluchistan, Pakistan-administered Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan, end-points of the headline CPEC route that would be disrupted by insurgency. Modi has pushed ahead with the Chabahar port refurbishment and railway construction in Iran, a proposal that is called an ‘answer’ to the CPEC.

In conceiving support for another infrastructure project like Chabahar to be a competitor, Delhi’s strategic thinking narrowly construes the CPEC, exaggerates the standing gained from geopolitical trophies, and lacks appreciation for the tangibles and breadth of an initiative that holds the power to transform Pakistan.


Let India not be a kabab me haddi

Multiple Spinoffs

Far more than a transit route, $27 billion worth of CPEC resources are, in fact, allocated to undertake 18 power projects. The other half of the total $54 billion goes far beyond support for the Gwadar port complex and will include the engineering of four national trunk highways, overhaul or construction of three mainline railways, the start of a metro system in Lahore and a cross-country pipeline.

The ultimate vision dwarfs the inordinate attention on just the port and road. The end goal is stable electricity and logistics for an export-manufacturing economy in Pakistan.

Unbeknown to strategists in Delhi, the CPEC’s real competitor is ‘Make in India’. The long-term economic calculation for India and Pakistan is the same. Due to the doubling of blue-collar wages every seven years in China, factories will either move to other Asian countries or stay in China in highly automated factories.

For India, Pakistan and other Asian countries aiming for middle income status, capturing relocated manufacturing is pivotal. In textiles alone, China has a giant lead, shipping $274 billion in exports annually compared to $40 billion by India, the second-largest exporter. If ‘Make in India’ takes the lion’s share of textile exports, that alone creates more direct jobs than the 3.7 million current jobs in the Indian IT and BPO industries.

However, despite continued revenue growth for IT companies, delivery centres and factories alike are adopting rapid automation, a phenomenon that will, in the next five years, shrink the already small BPO and IT workforce in India by 500,000 jobs. India has 1 million people reaching working age every month and needs to see through ‘Make in India’, just as the CPEC is critical to Pakistan’s stable future.

The CPEC is on track with the ongoing construction of early harvest projects, largely made up of 12 fast-tracked electricity-related projects slated for completion in 2018. The naysayers of the CPEC were wrong in their pessimism about the compatibility of Pakistan for a Chinese plan. The pace of Chinese infrastructure development and profitability for Chinese state-owned companies can be transplanted to another host country when backed by receptive policy and generous Chinabacked financing.

On the other hand, India isn’t making as much progress as it has sought. While the NDA government has paved more kilometres of roads per day than its predecessor and reached coal production targets made from the outset, inadequacies are clear in the momentum of this government’s infrastructure ambitions.

Due to fiscal exhaustion, a shortlived railway construction boom will likely peter out and frequent power cuts will persist even with a power production surplus unless inefficient transmission is overhauled. ‘Make in India’ can’t go far with Modi’s infrastructure predicament. But Pakistani manufacturing growth will be powered by Chinese logistical performance.



The True Competition

The Delhi strategic community doesn’t see the true competition, the basis for a blunder in turning away from an opportunity. The actual daunting challenge for India is in the CPEC’s commercial success enabling Pakistan to pull ahead of India as a successor in labour-intensive export manufacturing.

It’s doubly off base to see Indian security threatened and consider sabotage through proxy conflict. The CPEC fosters restraint and discourages provocation by Pakistan due to the gain in national ego from greater achievement than its rival and having then something to lose in the material benefits of a climbing standard of living. But there’s something India is already losing in its posture to ‘Belt and Road’. If proportionately scaled, India is missing out on $400-500 billion in financing and investment with rail and electricity likely benefiting most. Perhaps, the inaptly named CPEC should have been called ‘Make in Pakistan’. That would make clear the opportunity and challenge from China for ‘Make in India’.

The writer is a corporate lawyer in Beijing

DISCLAIMER : Views expressed above are the author's own.

http://blogs.economictimes.indiatim...part-of-xi-jinpings-one-belt-one-road-policy/

Really interesting article @Chinese-Dragon @LA se Karachi @Kiss_of_the_Dragon @mrrehan @Sinopakfriend

The ultimate goal is to unite Asian countries so that no "Super Power" can infiltrate that unity by calling someone an Ally in "War on whatever", it is a grand scheme to reduce any chances of next world war. China has made a lot of progress and they don't wanna give that up for anyone else's adventures. They are taking everyone around in confidence, but too bad for India they got a nut case as their president at a very critical time.

 

[LA se Karachi]

They are not investing,they are giving you debt...so you give contracts to Chinese companies...they build you the projects...

I'm well aware of the difference between loans and proper investment in a financial sense. My post mentioned the loans, if you read it in its entirety.

But my point was that CPEC is a huge boon to Pakistan's vitally necessary energy infrastructure.

they charge you for using them

They don't "charge for using them" in the sense that you are implying, unless they have an ownership stake in the project itself. If they do, then not everything was a loan. Most projects do not have any Chinese ownership, hence the loans.

and in the end you have to pay the loan you took at the beginning!!

Yes, you have to pay back the loans. That's what loans are. Thank you for explaining the obvious.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Who cares about India. Since when does India have to be a part of CPEC.

 

[LA se Karachi]

Since it's inception...GB is a disputed territory and it belongs to India!

Let's hold a plebiscite to resolve the issue then. If you are unwilling to do so, then you have only yourself to blame.

Virtually no one in Gilgit-Baltistan considers themselves Indian. Visit the province sometime. As long as they consider themselves Pakistani, no one cares what India thinks.

Can you tell me ,what is the cost of one unit power generated by Chinese funded and made powerplants?

Around 8 cents per unit.

Balochistan Chief Secretary Shoaib Mir, in his speech, praised efforts to produce energy at cheaper rates and specifically said per unit of electricity would cost only 8 cents, which was much lower and would help people make significant savings. He hoped that the company would abide by corporate social responsibility by generating more jobs for the local people and accommodating skilled and semi-skilled workforce in the area.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1362024/work-kicks-off-2b-hubco-coal-power-plant/


Considerably cheaper than what Pakistan is paying now:

"First is the affordability challenge. Thanks to poor planning and governance, Pakistan generates very expensive electricity. The cost per unit kilowatt-hour (kWh) of generated electricity in Pakistan is around 14 cents (14 Rupees). Consumers, on average, pay 11.50 Rupees per kWh. The systematic subsidy, which is almost 15 per cent of the cost, adds up to billions in losses.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1195871

 

[egodoc222]

Let's hold a plebiscite to resolve the issue then. If you are unwilling to do so, then you have only yourself to blame.

Virtually no one in Gilgit-Baltistan considers themselves Indian. Visit the province sometime. As long as they consider themselves Pakistani, no one cares what India thinks.




Around 8 cents per unit.

Balochistan Chief Secretary Shoaib Mir, in his speech, praised efforts to produce energy at cheaper rates and specifically said per unit of electricity would cost only 8 cents, which was much lower and would help people make significant savings. He hoped that the company would abide by corporate social responsibility by generating more jobs for the local people and accommodating skilled and semi-skilled workforce in the area.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1362024/work-kicks-off-2b-hubco-coal-power-plant/


Considerably cheaper than what Pakistan is paying now:

"First is the affordability challenge. Thanks to poor planning and governance, Pakistan generates very expensive electricity. The cost per unit kilowatt-hour (kWh) of generated electricity in Pakistan is around 14 cents (14 Rupees). Consumers, on average, pay 11.50 Rupees per kWh. The systematic subsidy, which is almost 15 per cent of the cost, adds up to billions in losses.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1195871

Lol..according UN resolution prerequisite for a plebiscite is PA troop withdrawl!! It you guys who are afraid lol!!
14 rupees per unit? Thats way expensive!!

 

[StraightShooter]

Indian is losing a lifetime opportunity for her economic growth--due to Pakistan hatred-- and we should be okay with this. If indians dont want to be a part of this international venture, Pakistan and China dont need to force/blackmail India for that. I hope they will join later seeing the potential and economic benefits of this collaboration. And if they dont, they will regret for decades.

India wants to join CPEC but Pakistan would not allow India to join until Kashmir issue is resolved.

So no chance of India joining the project as Pakistan has all the keys in this case.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Pakistan should not allow India to join CPEC.

 

[LA se Karachi]

Lol..according UN resolution prerequisite for a plebiscite is PA troop withdrawl!! It you guys who are afraid lol!!

As I said, no one in Gilgit-Baltistan considers themselves Indian. If you don't believe me, you can ask them for yourself. No one cares what people in India think. The people that live there want nothing to do with you.

We can also see what people in Indian-occupied Kashmir think of your country. We're certainly not afraid of a plebiscite.

14 rupees per unit? Thats way expensive!!

Please read the whole post. You seem to have missed some parts. I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to avoid what I posted, or if you really are that incapable of reading posts in their entirety.

Pakistan currently pays around 14 cents per unit for electricity from current plants, but electricity generated from CPEC plants will cost around 8 cents per unit:

Balochistan Chief Secretary Shoaib Mir, in his speech, praised efforts to produce energy at cheaper rates and specifically said per unit of electricity would cost only 8 cents, which was much lower and would help people make significant savings. He hoped that the company would abide by corporate social responsibility by generating more jobs for the local people and accommodating skilled and semi-skilled workforce in the area.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1362024/work-kicks-off-2b-hubco-coal-power-plant/

 

[egodoc222]

Pakistan should not allow India to join CPEC.

Lol why would we join...we can build our own corridors...intact we are building five of them..!

 

[oprih]

You can see how hard indians are crying here because of their extreme jealousy of all the developments Pakistan is undergoing thanks to CPEC.

 

[Hareeb]

"The results showed transport costs were reduced by "$2,500 per 15 tons of cargo"
Yes its cheap and does not require Pakistan

And it requires just $42.71/ton from Karachi to Kabul. $2990/70 ton

consider population and economy... do math... we still hold better economy..

GDP per capita (PPP) is too close between two. You got bigger econony due to your vast population.

India wants to join CPEC but Pakistan would not allow India to join until Kashmir issue is resolved.

So no chance of India joining the project as Pakistan has all the keys in this case.

Okay then resolve the Kashmir issue according to UN resolution. Whenever Pakistan aska for peace talks or solution of Kashmir issue, something bad happens in India. You balme Pakistan and halt the talks. Actually you dont want to resolve Kashmir issue.