Court acquits Christian on death row for blasphemy

[janon]

Scrap all blasphemy laws, and let the almighty defend his own name. If he is all that mighty, he should be able to defend his name, shouldn't he? Some people's beliefs are so self contradictory....believing that an entity made all the universe, from the horseshoe galaxy to the fjords of norway to bacteria, and that such an entity actually cares about somebody insulting him.

These are all tools used by PEOPLE to control other PEOPLE.

 

[Zarvan]

For so long you have been saying many things; but without any proof. So tell us what are the scientific methods described in the Koran and Sunnah to determine Blasphemy? Tell me where is it written that 15 years is the cut-off age for lying? and as @Spring Onion said; where is the law written that the punishment for blasphemy is death?
Give some proof, or else it will be as worthless as the statements of the accusers of Younis Masih.

Mr read my post I have told you in many cases Allah have told the punishment but not how to collect proof Mr proof will be gathered by means of that time

Scrap all blasphemy laws, and let the almighty defend his own name. If he is all that mighty, he should be able to defend his name, shouldn't he? Some people's beliefs are so self contradictory....believing that an entity made all the universe, from the horseshoe galaxy to the fjords of norway to bacteria, and that such an entity actually cares about somebody insulting him.

These are all tools used by PEOPLE to control other PEOPLE.

sir god has sent laws and we will implement them if you don't know something keep quite

 

[janon]

Mr read my post I have told you in many cases Allah have told the punishment but not how to collect proof Mr proof will be gathered by means of that time


sir god has sent laws and we will implement them if you don't know something keep quite

You believe that you are following god's instructions. While other people will believe THEY are following god's instructions. Christians will believe they are right and they are following god's instructions. You will believe that you are.

Instead of leaving silly humans to implement his laws, god should do it himself.

Also, ask yourself this - why would the creator of everything (which is what you believe) need YOU to go about killing people? Can't god just do it himself? Cant god kill the people he hates, instead of leaving YOU to do it?

Now think about it more. On this forum, many people disagree with each other. People even insult each other. But does that mean that everybody will try to kill people who insult them? Is that how rational, sane, mature humans behave? Do you go around trying to kill anybody who insults you, or will you just laugh and let the insult pass? If thats how mature humans behave, dont you think an intelligent god should do that too? Instead of telling you to kill people who insult him, cant he just laugh it off? What sort of an ASININE god would want to kill somebody who insults him?

Moreover, if he wants to give clear instructions about murder, he should do it personally. Not through an ancient book that he leaves open to interpretation. God should have left unambigous intructions, instead of writing a book in the 6th century and then have people argue about the instructions 1500 years later. If he was writing an instructiion manual for a washing machine like this, the company would rightly fire him for not doing his job properly.

I just dont understand what sort of a person would believe this. That there is a being who created hundreds of billions of galaxies, with hundreds of billions of stars in each, with uncountable number of planets, and uncountable species of living beings, and then has an ego complex like this, that he will get angry and want to kill somebody who makes fun of him. Oh man, the cognitive dissonance is just mind boggling.

Does it ever occur to you that maybe you should think about it rationally, than think that you have the understanding of your god's word, but others don't? That if your god left orders for murder, he would do it more unambigously?

To quote Omar Khayyam,

"Think you, that unto such as you,
A maggot minded, starved, fanatic crew,
God gave the secret and denied it ME?
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too!"

 

[Karachiite]

Abolish this Black Law.

 

[RazorMC]

The loss of all those years is truly regrettable and irreplaceable.

The judicial system in Pakistan is painfully slow and the person is put in jail before any crime has been proven. This practice needs to change and a nation-wide principle of "innocent until proven guilty" needs to be set in place. If it applies to the rich and powerful, then it should also be applicable to every Pakistani.

Abolish this Black Law.

Let's improve the implementation and the overall system first and then point fingers at laws.

 

[janon]

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Let's improve the implementation and the overall system first and then point fingers at laws.
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If a certain law is unjust, you should have no qualms about saying so, and abolishing it.

 

[monitor12345]

zaravan twists many things.

i read Quran with understanding of every word and there is NO death penalty for twisted version of zaravan

Do you know Eid ul Fitr ( Ramazan ) and Bakr-Eid ( At the end of Haj ) ? We know that these two Eids ( festivals ) are part of Islam. But , it might surprise you that , It is not written in Quran to celebrate these festivals. It is written in Hadiths ( Sayings or Actions of Holy Prophet ( Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ) ). What I wanna say is , If something is not there in Quran, It doesn't mean that, It is not in Islam. Consider above example. Similarly, Death penalty for Blasphemy may not be there in Quran , but It is there in Hadiths.
Important : Quran is not the only source of legislation in Islam, Hadiths are also source of legislation.

Abolish this Black Law.

Please explain Why ?

 

[monitor12345]

Of Course, we dont kill others if they insult us. But , in this case , we are talking about insulting religion and religious personalities. Hence, the reaction will not be the same. For Example , We might forgive those who insult us, but we won't forgive those , who insult our parents. Will You ?
All the instructions are there in Quran and Hadiths, It is another thing that some people can't understand . In Islamic Laws, there is nothing left unanswered.
Also Blasphemy Law is a law, you have to accept it.

Mr read my post I have told you in many cases Allah have told the punishment but not how to collect proof Mr proof will be gathered by means of that time


sir god has sent laws and we will implement them if you don't know something keep quite

Brother , these people won't understand. Just tell them , you have to accept a law, whether you believe it right or wrong.
Also, I appreciate you hard work in defending Islam. Thanks.

You believe that you are following god's instructions. While other people will believe THEY are following god's instructions. Christians will believe they are right and they are following god's instructions. You will believe that you are.

Instead of leaving silly humans to implement his laws, god should do it himself.

Also, ask yourself this - why would the creator of everything (which is what you believe) need YOU to go about killing people? Can't god just do it himself? Cant god kill the people he hates, instead of leaving YOU to do it?

Now think about it more. On this forum, many people disagree with each other. People even insult each other. But does that mean that everybody will try to kill people who insult them? Is that how rational, sane, mature humans behave? Do you go around trying to kill anybody who insults you, or will you just laugh and let the insult pass? If thats how mature humans behave, dont you think an intelligent god should do that too? Instead of telling you to kill people who insult him, cant he just laugh it off? What sort of an ASININE god would want to kill somebody who insults him?

Moreover, if he wants to give clear instructions about murder, he should do it personally. Not through an ancient book that he leaves open to interpretation. God should have left unambigous intructions, instead of writing a book in the 6th century and then have people argue about the instructions 1500 years later. If he was writing an instructiion manual for a washing machine like this, the company would rightly fire him for not doing his job properly.

I just dont understand what sort of a person would believe this. That there is a being who created hundreds of billions of galaxies, with hundreds of billions of stars in each, with uncountable number of planets, and uncountable species of living beings, and then has an ego complex like this, that he will get angry and want to kill somebody who makes fun of him. Oh man, the cognitive dissonance is just mind boggling.

Does it ever occur to you that maybe you should think about it rationally, than think that you have the understanding of your god's word, but others don't? That if your god left orders for murder, he would do it more unambigously?

To quote Omar Khayyam,

"Think you, that unto such as you,
A maggot minded, starved, fanatic crew,
God gave the secret and denied it ME?
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too!"

Of Course, we dont kill others if they insult us. But , in this case , we are talking about insulting religion and religious personalities. Hence, the reaction will not be the same. For Example , We might forgive those who insult us, but we won't forgive those , who insult our parents. Will You ?
All the instructions are there in Quran and Hadiths, It is another thing that some people can't understand . In Islamic Laws, there is nothing left unanswered.
Also Blasphemy Law is a law, you have to accept it.


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/social-issues-current-events/246157-court-acquits-christian-death-row-blasphemy-5.html#ixzz2QlNcScyW

 

[janon]

Of Course, we dont kill others if they insult us. But , in this case , we are talking about insulting religion and religious personalities. Hence, the reaction will not be the same. For Example , We might forgive those who insult us, but we won't forgive those , who insult our parents. Will You ?All the instructions are there in Quran and Hadiths, It is another thing that some people can't understand . In Islamic Laws, there is nothing left unanswered.
Also Blasphemy Law is a law, you have to accept it.

Yes, I will.

And even if I dont, I certainly won't kill anybody for insulting my parents. Or any religion. Or any god.

 

[ShahidT]

Quran and Sunnah are both part of Islam Sir and their are around 10 people who were killed in time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW on his orders for blasphemy

she's not a sir. and we've all read the Quran, don't act bigoted. show any quote where our Prophet (pbuh) insisted on such a punishment without giving the accused other avenues first. rather those who insulted and disrespected Him beyond measure were forgiven and brought into the fold of Islam. self made scholars that misconstrue and contrive fake evidence in today's courts do nothing but tarnish our din. few things are more dangerous than falsely referencing Quran out of context to justify the poisonous practices rampant nowadays.

No Sir ALLAH has ordered to kill not described the punishment but one ayat says about those who spread fitna on the land Islam describes different punishments which includes hanging and death by most horrible means so he or she becomes example but for death ALLAH says the punishment is death

don't even know where to begin. a normal person's reaction would struggle between fear and pity. you would probably not be nearly as phased by an innocent being put to death, so long as another potential scapegoat isn't lost and out of the bag.

on a side note, would you consider the actions of lashkar e jhangvi as justified? do you listen to nasheeds like this at night. and have dreams of slowly beheading shias? where do you live in Lahore, do PM me. If we can meet, I've some important things to ask.

 

[Zarvan]

she's not a sir. and we've all read the Quran, don't act bigoted. show any quote where our Prophet (pbuh) insisted on such a punishment without giving the accused other avenues first. rather those who insulted and disrespected Him beyond measure were forgiven and brought into the fold of Islam. self made scholars that misconstrue and contrive fake evidence in today's courts do nothing but tarnish our din. few things are more dangerous than falsely referencing Quran out of context to justify the poisonous practices rampant nowadays.



don't even know where to begin. a normal person's reaction would struggle between fear and pity. you would probably not be nearly as phased by an innocent being put to death, so long as another potential scapegoat isn't lost and out of the bag.

on a side note, would you consider the actions of lashkar e jhangvi as justified? do you listen to nasheeds like this at night. and have dreams of slowly beheading shias? where do you live in Lahore, do PM me. If we can meet, I've some important things to ask.

Mr go and read Quran and sunnah in detail than and talk there are around ten people who were killed for blasphemy sir

 

[Awesome]

Zarvan,

Why don't you tell us how you want to phrase this law? Write it down.

 

[haviZsultan]

If a certain law is unjust, you should have no qualms about saying so, and abolishing it.

I tend to largely agree. The blasphemy law has been misused continually and has been used as a weapon to frame innocent Christians and Hindus on false charges of blasphemy. We have to understand that there is a huge black elephant in the room which we are continually ignoring.

The people of Pakistan are not against minorities but the laws of Pakistan are indeed against minorities and these Zia era laws are a major menace for Pakistan. This law stands in the way of ensuring equal rights for all citizens. Both India and Pakistan are far from the best place to be a minority. Both countries need to work together to ensure protection of minorities locally.

@Zarvan there is something known as empathy. Men have spent entire years in jail because of the blasphemy law on false charges of blasphemy and have suffered unbearable torture. Workers in factories have burned Hindu workers because of this law and gotten away, people have cursed Christians and abused their faith and gotten away. The law is unfair and biased towards minorities

 

[angeldude13]

Save us from your lies zaravan.

the main fact is blasphemy law is misused by like of you not only against minorities but also against Muslims too.

there is need to stop MISUSE OF THIS LAW

hey onion
remember our debate on bd sub forum.
you called my examples bs.
see this person is also suffering from confusion.
i heard a story in which a jewish woman used to throw garbage on prophet(pbuh) and he used to forgive her everytime she did this and now see these people like zarvan they are confused.do you know why??
it is because if a patient thinks that he is alright and he is not willing to accept that he is ill then that illness will become part of his body and soul for forever.
accept it onion,society of south asia is ill and that illness need a cure

 

[RazorMC]

If a certain law is unjust, you should have no qualms about saying so, and abolishing it.

I've already mentioned the reason why the Law is easily abused:

The judicial system in Pakistan is painfully slow and the person is put in jail before any crime has been proven. This practice needs to change and a nation-wide principle of "innocent until proven guilty" needs to be set in place. If it applies to the rich and powerful, then it should also be applicable to every Pakistani.

People are thrown in jail because the corrupt police officials do not want to check the regulation. An apology from the supposed* offender is sufficient to prevent any jail term at all. In almost all cases the accused is actually the victim of evil individuals.

Secondly, even if this Law was removed, then those people would find another law to abuse. People end up in jail just because their wadera accused them of theft (without proving anything) and the victim loses years in jail during the prosecution and then further continues to serve time after the conviction. Should we also repeal laws that punish theft or muders or anything else ??

Hence my assertion: address the implementation of laws first.


*I used the word supposed because there is no conviction from courts yet and there is usually no proof of any wrongdoing.