Countering Cold Start doctrine by PAF

[Developereo]

cold start is not a military invasion plan.

Cold Start is a military doctrine. You guys can dance around the issue and try to redefine it all you want. It ain't working.

Our aim is to limited to Kashmir and kashmir only...

Then you truly don't understand Cold Start.

No not really.... If i can achieve peace by saving a few hundreds of mine instead of killing thousands enemy and hundreds of mine getting killed in combat then there is nothing wrong in going after the first option.....As said there is a change of strategy....US realized the mistake that they need to follow inclusive approach rather then other way....

NATO is least bothered about killing Afghans, civilian or otherwise. The only reason they are negotiating is due to dwindling support back home. That is a defeat for NATO because it has failed in its military objective to eliminate Taliban ruling influence from Afghanistan.

Cold Start is going to stay and with economic might the balance of executing it will shift in India's favor...

We're talking in circles.

Cold Start is a military doctrine and this thread is about Pakistan's military response to it.

 

[shanixee]

China rapidly build rail link to Pakistani sea ports
Posted on August 31, 2010 by The Editors

The Bharatis are wringing their hands in frustration as they watch the Pakistanis and Chinese rapidly building the infrastructure for an engineering feat that will be a wonder of the world. As Pakistani and Chinese engineers build new links between Pakistan and China, and as the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) and the Pakistani Army Corps of Engineers dig tunnels and expand the existing Karakoram highway, Delhi remains in panic. The frustration in Bharat is now translating into vague statements of “we are monitoring the situation”. What is funny is the fact that it took a lowly US reporter to identify the activity on the Pakistani-Chinese border. Bharat didn’t have a clue. It took Selig S Harrison, a US reporter to splash the news to the Bharati intelligence agencies and the Bharati Armed Forces.

The Indian Army has received confirmation that China deployed an infantry battalion of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) at the 15,397-feet Khunjerab Pass on the Karakoram highway this month for the security of its workers engaged in building a railroad. This railroad will eventually connect Xinjiang to the port of Gwadar in Balochistan, Pakistan.

The Khunjerab Pass straddles the border between China and *** and is 272 km from Gilgit in the Northern Areas. This PLA deployment is expected to be raised to brigade strength (3,000 troops) as work on the railroad progresses in the Northern Areas.

Writing in The New York Times — the article was carried by The Indian Express — Selig S Harrison, director of the Asia Program at the Center for International Policy, reported that 7,000-11,000 PLA troops are already in the Gilgit-Baltistan region.

The Indian Army brass has taken note of the deployment of 1,000 troops at Khunjerab Pass but is not unduly alarmed about the build-up.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan,India and China is the most congested area of electronic warfare. As far as cold doctrine . Its nothing more then thesis written by some top ranking military officer , reason is, too much air surveillance in this whole region. Signal cat and mouse game. Extreme suspicion of movements. Watching each other border over 200 miles inside. Nothing is hidden. If even one deployment of squadron can be easily known by the other.
If you guys think cold doctrine means extremely slow moving of troops along border, so enemy won't even notice. Then those are living in fools world.

 

[Donatello]

Pakistan,India and China is the most congested area of electronic warfare. As far as cold doctrine . Its nothing more then thesis written by some top ranking military officer , reason is, too much air surveillance in this whole region. Signal cat and mouse game. Extreme suspicion of movements. Watching each other border over 200 miles inside. Nothing is hidden. If even one deployment of squadron can be easily known by the other.
If you guys think cold doctrine means extremely slow moving of troops along border, so enemy won't even notice. Then those are living in fools world.

Pakistan army has raised about at least 4 new Corps, excluding the newly formed Strategic corps, since 1971. It wont be easy for India to thrust inwards because most of the Army Corps are on Eastern border.


PAF has also raised additional squadrons and Electronic warfare.

In order to keep a check on Indian Army and it's ground movement, Mirage III RP are more than enough so are the new UAVs.

It's not 1971, and India knows that. They shouldn't make a mistake which they are not ready to pay for.


Respect the 1st Armour Division in Multan, because they are the ones who will be charging in India if India dares do anything.

 

[PakSher]

Actually the truth is that Inidans launched the biggest tanks attack since World War II and India took the worst beating since Word War II.

Let see on the same Wikipedia you are referring to the "Big Tank Battle of Chiwinda"

Battle of Chawinda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[lionheart1]

Actually the truth is that Inidans launched the biggest tanks attack since World War II and India took the worst beating since Word War II.

Let see on the same Wikipedia you are referring to the "Big Tank Battle of Chiwinda"

Battle of Chawinda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but the end result was pakistan was defeated and we divided your country into two
Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


and what about battle of asal uttar ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Asal_Uttar

never under estimate your enemy

 

[PakSher]

That is correct and we do not deny that. At least it is not like India that lost 18% of Kashmir in the 1948 War and another 13% of Kashmir in 1965 and still teach in Indian text books that India won all 3 wars with Pakistan. Lost 31% of Kashmir in 2 Wars and claim victory are the 2 big lies of history. Google of Map of Kashmir on Augustt 15th, 1947 and check now, you will find the truth, do not read the lies of the Indian text books. Still it is 2:1. Though Pakistan did explode 6 nuclear devices as comapred to 5 by India.

Regarding your point splitting our country into 2, actually we split India into 3 in 1947, lets do the math and get it straight.

 

[Coltsfan]

Actually the truth is that Inidans launched the biggest tanks attack since World War II and India took the worst beating since Word War II.

Let see on the same Wikipedia you are referring to the "Big Tank Battle of Chiwinda"

Battle of Chawinda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since this was one of the major battle victory for Pakistani Army, hopefully they can help make the wiki article more substantiated.

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[Areesh]

It is usually better to discard radical elements than to keep them.

So only you have the right to discard radical comments.

 

[SQ8]

The fact is that today India controls 45% of Kashmir, while Pakistan controls about 30% and rest is controlled by China.
In 1948 India retained the majority of Kashmir, including all the key cities like Srinagar and Jammu.
In 1965 India captured more land than Pakistan, but the Tashkent Declaration returned all captured land to their original owners so it didn't matter.

About the nuclear tests, who cares how many devices were tested? India's devices had much higher yields (up to 200kt). How much was Pakistan's yield?



It is usually better to discard radical elements than to keep them.

Trolly boy..
Since you are soo interested in bringing in crap after crap to diss Pakistan.. be constructive and enlighten us with the procedure for increasing a weapons yield.. call it a self education exercise if you will...Although Im sure its futility to ask since even by making a point to you is like teaching a pig to fly.. wait.. that will be easier..
Since.. people like you.. are those that will still prefer their maruti 800 over a rolls phantom.. since ur maruti was made by "japanise robats".. and the rolls is "handd maide".. and "thaerifour".. your "maruttee" is still better...
Still if by some blessing of god you do read up on increasing yield.. you might find that for some people who have already made a bomb.. and possess all the things to make 200 more.. can pretty much make one to shake your auntie's butt in calcutta if they test it in Chagai...
But .. unlike you characters .. who will go to every forum inhabited by Chinese and Pakistani member to rub in India's latest invention regarding toilet cleansing as much as possible.. even if by all means.. you had NOTHING to do with it.. and that damn thing is a licensed copy of a sudanese farmers midnight dream.. it still matters that somehow.. you can show your self a teeny bit bigger to your neighbors.. since after all..not much between your legs to compensate for that tiny threshold of self esteem.

And mods.. Sorry.

 

[Patriot]

Indians certainly suffer from personality disorder and anxiety in general.You know even on forums where US/European People visit primarily (1-2 Pakistanis) Indians join those forums and spread hatred against Pakistanis (Knowing fully well that Pakistanis dont give a **** about What a Gora thinks - I am not amazed by the fact that fair creams are popular in India!).Perhaps; too much free time and a lot of obsession with Pakistan.

 

[HAIDER]

I'm sorry, have I hurt your feelings?
It seems Pakis are very sensitive nowadays.

Don't worry We Pakis are so tolerant , thats why too many Indians in this forum and allow to have their opinion. Your above statement, which is not more then troll for me. Otherwise I visited Indian forum too. Too much venom against Pakistan, major reason no Pakistani in Indian forums.

 

[Donatello]

Don't worry We Pakis are so tolerant , thats why too many Indians in this forum and allow to have their opinion. Your above statement, which is not more then troll for me. Otherwise I visited Indian forum too. Too much venom against Pakistan, major reason no Pakistani in Indian forums.

They will never appreciate the constructive arguments whether this forum or their own.

I am telling you man, i have met these people in real life, every South Asian gathering here in real college life is like Pakistan Defence forum flame wars...India this that...bla bla