Contracts and Talks for J-10 and JF-17 and WZ-10 and Frigates and Submarines to be finalized

[Danish saleem]

Off the topic: It is not come under NA 246

Now washed from NA 246 too

 

[OrionHunter]

Now, this guy's pulling the rest of the stuff out of his rear due to paid money and yellow journalism. There are massive projects that without even discussing it with any Financial person, using common sense tells you that there are multiple billion dollars involved. To build a nice highway for a few miles usually costs about a billion dollars with a couple of exists and interchanges. Here, you are building a trade corridor for a region covering like 3 billion people, with many countries which will get benefit, all the way to a port, associated infrastructure, obviously, electricity and all to support the growth. Just calculate that a power plant costs a few billion at the least and there are many needed. So you don't have to be a financial analyst to understand and do basic summing of the data. Its pretty self explanatory and it is an investment, vs. the free US aid. Two different things, do different purposes and two different strategic reasons all together.

You seem as clueless as a hen in a pigsty where economics are concerned. Agreed the infrastructure will come up, but guess who's going to be paying for it in the long run? Chinese private companies are going to construct, operate and manage the infrastructure for all that you have mentioned with their own work force. Pakistan will only be providing security and land at a throwaway price..

The private Chinese companies are obviously not going to do it for free. It's business. They are going to extract their last penny spent, from you and not the Chinese government. You'll realise when you have to spend Rs 50 per km at toll booths along the highway, twice the amount you're paying for electricity and gas (unless subsidized by the govt of Pakistan, which is unlikely) and so on! Nothing comes for free especially from the Chinese who are more interested in furthering their own national interests by constructing the Kashgar-Gwadar road. They are the ones who need a doorway to the Middle East and Pakistan is being used for achieving its ambitions, throwing a few morsels on the way to keep you happy!

 

[Sahil 55]

J-10 is now Impossible as PAF has plans to acquire some what 32+ Block-52s along with some more used F-16s Block-15s. Also there can be a contract of J-31s in near future.

 

[Viper0011.]

You seem as clueless as a hen in a pigsty where economics are concerned. Agreed the infrastructure will come up, but guess who's going to be paying for it in the long run? Chinese private companies are going to construct, operate and manage the infrastructure for all that you have mentioned with their own work force. Pakistan will only be providing security and land at a throwaway price..!

There are people who act and sound dumb like a door knob!!! The only clueless here are the Indian members with rears on fire. The Pakistan for the past 20 years, they thought they had "left behind", is about to catch up with life and she's about to come stand next to India again. Probably more assertively this time like it was suggested in times of India's article someone posted the other day.

You posted yesterday about 11,000 Chinese workers and that $ 45 billion would go towards their salaries. I told you that's like $ 100 million a worker and the entire reading community had a kick out of it. Similarly, if you see the bold part above, this entire thing sounds so idiotic, I feel like I am reading Children's adventure book!! Pakistan will be providing land and security....and 11,000 Chinese will work on ALL these projects? You've got to use some common sense, whatever happened to the IT logic in the head? Can't troubleshoot this one? Allow me to break it down for you as you are acting like a child.

1) There are MANY projects that have ALREADY started, with the previous round of investments that the Chinese poured in. Some work is already done. And it is Pakistani companies and people working. The Chinese usually provide expertise. Many of these projects have pictures on here you can see on this very forum. Don't need to play dumb as everything is captured in pictures.

2) Check out Infrastructure Development thread. See the Lahore Metro, Islamabad Metro and other mega infrastructure projects. You can CLEARLY see how many Pakistanis work on those projects and how many Chinese work.

3) If none of the above explanations work for you. You should go see a doctor as none of us on here will help you. You've become delusional and reality isn't settling well for you. Seems like Pakistan gave you a lot of emotional trauma in the last one week. May need some counseling.

All fun aside, try to write something realistic and serious so we can actually have a debate about something real. I can't give your imagination reasons to believe the reality when your head's playing tricks on you with regards to the Chinese and associated investments. Being honest.

 

[Sahil 55]

taking about defense deals only
we need frigates. and 7 subs or 8 subs? lets wait and see
and I will love to see Jf17 blk 2 rolling out and starting of joint production of J10b which is a capable air craft............ and Z10 Thunderbolts? yes why not. Vipers for high altitudes like northern areas,Kashmir and frontier and Thunderbolt for planes of Punjab and Sindh................. so guys gear up and wait for finalized deal

taking about defense deals only
we need frigates. and 7 subs or 8 subs? lets wait and see
and I will love to see Jf17 blk 2 rolling out and starting of joint production of J10b which is a capable air craft............ and Z10 Thunderbolts? yes why not. Vipers for high altitudes like northern areas,Kashmir and frontier and Thunderbolt for planes of Punjab and Sindh................. so guys gear up and wait for finalized deal

 

[sicsheep]

You seem as clueless as a hen in a pigsty where economics are concerned. Agreed the infrastructure will come up, but guess who's going to be paying for it in the long run? Chinese private companies are going to construct, operate and manage the infrastructure for all that you have mentioned with their own work force. Pakistan will only be providing security and land at a throwaway price..

The private Chinese companies are obviously not going to do it for free. It's business. They are going to extract their last penny spent, from you and not the Chinese government. You'll realise when you have to spend Rs 50 per km at toll booths along the highway, twice the amount you're paying for electricity and gas (unless subsidized by the govt of Pakistan, which is unlikely) and so on! Nothing comes for free especially from the Chinese who are more interested in furthering their own national interests by constructing the Kashgar-Gwadar road. They are the ones who need a doorway to the Middle East and Pakistan is being used for achieving its ambitions, throwing a few morsels on the way to keep you happy!

so yes, Pakistan-China relations are not just about screwing India, we are passed that. we have so many other areas we can work together. are you saying Chinese companies should not be benefiting from this?

 

[Mughal-Prince]

so yes, Pakistan-China relations are not just about screwing India, we are passed that. we have so many other areas we can work together. are you saying Chinese companies should not be benefiting from this?

He's saying absolutly nothing but all was written due to diarrhea after seeing Pakistan is progressing and China helping us all out to get out of the sh!t hole we are stuck in ... And that doesn't associate to single person ...
Long Live China Pakistan Friend Ship

 

[OrionHunter]

so yes, Pakistan-China relations are not just about screwing India

Screwing India? I thought it was the other way around!

 

[FuturePAF]

You seem as clueless as a hen in a pigsty where economics are concerned. Agreed the infrastructure will come up, but guess who's going to be paying for it in the long run? Chinese private companies are going to construct, operate and manage the infrastructure for all that you have mentioned with their own work force. Pakistan will only be providing security and land at a throwaway price..

The private Chinese companies are obviously not going to do it for free. It's business. They are going to extract their last penny spent, from you and not the Chinese government. You'll realise when you have to spend Rs 50 per km at toll booths along the highway, twice the amount you're paying for electricity and gas (unless subsidized by the govt of Pakistan, which is unlikely) and so on! Nothing comes for free especially from the Chinese who are more interested in furthering their own national interests by constructing the Kashgar-Gwadar road. They are the ones who need a doorway to the Middle East and Pakistan is being used for achieving its ambitions, throwing a few morsels on the way to keep you happy!

its either Pakistan takes this deal or nothing
because if their were other investors, they would have invested by now

this deal, is pakistan negotiating from a point of weakness, and the people (when they see the tolls) will have no one but all the governments over the years to blame for destroying the economy to the point where this was better than no development at all

at least if the infrastructure is their secondary businesses have a chance to develop (pakistan can provide services to chinese companies and for third party countries who are trading with china via pakistan; the silk road option)

also india gets harmed by this deal
had india and pakistan worked out a settlement to kashmir, china wouldn't be going through gilgit/baltistan area

 

[CHI RULES]

You seem as clueless as a hen in a pigsty where economics are concerned. Agreed the infrastructure will come up, but guess who's going to be paying for it in the long run? Chinese private companies are going to construct, operate and manage the infrastructure for all that you have mentioned with their own work force. Pakistan will only be providing security and land at a throwaway price..

The private Chinese companies are obviously not going to do it for free. It's business. They are going to extract their last penny spent, from you and not the Chinese government. You'll realise when you have to spend Rs 50 per km at toll booths along the highway, twice the amount you're paying for electricity and gas (unless subsidized by the govt of Pakistan, which is unlikely) and so on! Nothing comes for free especially from the Chinese who are more interested in furthering their own national interests by constructing the Kashgar-Gwadar road. They are the ones who need a doorway to the Middle East and Pakistan is being used for achieving its ambitions, throwing a few morsels on the way to keep you happy!

India it self is a big market from food items to Ammos for rich countries similarly Pakistan is a passage for China as well as market for different items and perhaps sort of buffer zone. But China has no history of backing from their agreements and have no intentions to enslave nations. Fair trade is allowed every where. Chinese are helping Pakistan since long so u should not be afraid for Pak but for ur self.

 

[Rafael]

If you find him credible, watch his latest programs on the visit of Chinese president and investment.

That will change your mind. By the way, the video you have posted is at least 5-7 year old.

Here, got something latest for you.

India shaken by Chinese investment, says Sethi - thenews.com.pk

 

[WaLeEdK2]

If you find him credible, watch his latest programs on the visit of Chinese president and investment.

That will change your mind.

The only reason Indians find him credible is because he's more of a against Pakistan journalist.

 

[OrionHunter]

If you find him credible, watch his latest programs on the visit of Chinese president and investment.

That will change your mind. By the way, the video you have posted is at least 5-7 year old.

Here, got something latest for you.

India shaken by Chinese investment, says Sethi - thenews.com.pk

Ok, the $40 billion are just MOUs. There are no contracts signed as yet! Check out the $30 billion MOUs signed by Pakistan and China in 2010. What happened to them?

In other words you have received $70 billion from China since 2010!! That's a lot of dosh. But how many projects have taken off?

So lets wait and see. The picture will become clear within a year or two, though China will go full steam ahead with its Kashgar-Gwadar road project as it it is in their own national interest.

 

[Zarvan]

Ok, the $40 billion are just MOUs. There are no contracts signed as yet! Check out the $30 billion MOUs signed by Pakistan and China in 2010. What happened to them?

In other words you have received $70 billion from China since 2010!! That's a lot of dosh. But how many projects have taken off?

So lets wait and see. The picture will become clear within a year or two, though China will go full steam ahead with its Kashgar-Gwadar road project as it it is in their own national interest.

They are contracts not MOUs I know you Indians are trying to come with stupid arguments to satisfy yourselves but its of no use and the work has begun and work is also going on previously signed contracts

 

[Viper0011.]

Ok, the $40 billion are just MOUs. .

Oh boy, you are hurting. Try to leave this site and go take a walk or something. I don't want you to take too much stress and get some sort of disease due to too much stress. Pakistan you knew, is in the history. Pakistan you are reading about and now dealing with......is almost an equal, requiring 5 more years worth of stability and business. It won't meet the size of India obviously (1.2 billion people vs. 200 million of Pakistan). But it has become strong enough to face palm India like 24 hours and 7 days a week. I think it would happen on the 8th day too if a week had 8 days!!!