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Firstly I never said that investments were bad for Pakistan. Secondly, how is the $40 billion investment going to create millions of jobs for Pakistanis? 11,000 Chinese engineers, PLA, and Chinese workers are already stationed in G/B for infrastructure development of the Kashgar - Gwadar road. So where jobs for the Pakistanis are concerned.....Oh never mind. You know who's got the jobs. The Chinese themselves. And this is going to be the norm throughout!

Thirdly, what 'internal industries' are you talking about? Fourthly, what 'global business' are you going to compete in? Can you elucidate instead of just shooting from your hip?

Mate you don't know the level of understanding between China and Pakistan and you guys should focus on your country and leave Pakistan for our selfs and we know what is best for our country and its peoples.

You talk as though Santa Claus commeth with a lot of freebie goodies.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee. But hey, dreaming is free, so carry on! :D

First step is dream then it become reality for example.

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  2. JF17
  3. Al Khalid
  4. K-8 and many more
 
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Firstly I never said that investments were bad for Pakistan. Secondly, how is the $40 billion investment going to create millions of jobs for Pakistanis? 11,000 Chinese engineers, PLA, and Chinese workers are already stationed in G/B for infrastructure development of the Kashgar - Gwadar road. So where jobs for the Pakistanis are concerned.....Oh never mind. You know who's got the jobs. The Chinese themselves. And this is going to be the norm throughout!

Thirdly, what 'internal industries' are you talking about? Fourthly, what 'global business' are you going to compete in? Can you elucidate instead of just shooting from your hip?

You seem to be in serious mental agony over Pakistan. Its ALL over your post. Go see a Pshycologist before you go full retarded and try to leave your girlfriend or something.

$ 40 billion dollars...means 40,000 MILLION dollars. You think they'll divide this much money to 11,000 or so Chinese workers??? So each of these guys will be making over $ 100 million per person? I think I want to go work there ......wait, or your post it totally idiotic?? Its the later :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

This investment will create from the Chinese border of Pakistan till Gawader, many new cities, hundreds of hotels, gas stations, shops, restaurants, new homes, hospitals, etc, etc to support the traffic for business getting through. Not to mention the toll revenue worth a few billion.........imagine RIGHT HERE, how many thousands of jobs will be created for Engineering, Medical, Technology specialists to basic workers, and this would be a huge jump start to the economy.

The Metro Bus, already completed Dams and Water Ways, are ALL being managed by Pakistanis. Ask people on here and there are threads showing you pictures. The existing Motor way structure is ALSO under Pakistani control even though initially, it was built by the Koreans, the Chinese, the Australians, etc.

Your post out of jealousy, portrays Pakistan as a backwards country without roads or brick buildings. In fact, its the opposite. Majority of their cities have better or on par infrastructure than India. India has five times more people to feed, Pakistan doesn't. So the amount of money Pakistan needs to become a modern country, is much lesser than India.

As the Pakistanis build hi-tech expertise in IT, e-businesses, mobile technologies, research, etc, (just one example, in Punjab, the education system is already moving to Tablet based systems, so no carrying books), you'll see the same tech labor being offered to different countries as a competition to the Indian labor. You can bet your money that you'll be experiencing serious competition from Pakistan. They didn't have a lot of investment return opportunities to show previously for their country due to bad economy, terrorism, etc now its changed.

Year 2014 witnessed a new Pakistan's birth, which was against terrorism and was working hard to get to the top 20 economies and military powers in the globe, with the 6th largest population, 50% of which, men and at working age!!

Global Businesses: Just a few examples, Dell, GE, Toyota, Citi bank, and all other major international consumer brands are already servicing Pakistan. Now, from the Asian side, Haier (I hope I spelled it right), Huawei and a couple of other Chinese giants have opened up manufacturing plants in Pakistan or are in the process to do so currently.

These manufacturing plants will be used to provide mobile phones, tablets and computers to Pakistani market as well as to the Chinese and the Asian consumers. This is on a TOT basis so Pakistani businesses will have their own computing brands to use internally and cell phones and all.

Mobile computing is the way to go and in all advance technologies, traditional hardware has been replaced with mobile computers, such as all smart phones, munitions, missiles, wrist watches, tablets, tanks, cars, etc. So having technological base internally, will result in producing products and services for the entire globe on these locally built and tried platforms.

So starting out, these manufacturing plants are expecting over 300-500 million consumers within the Pakistani, Chinese and other Asian markets. This generates a turn key global business model with tremendous potential in many billions per year. Plus majority of Chinese billion dollars companies are in the process of opening Pakistani offices.

In the next few years, with Pakistani labor trained, in both, hi tech, manufacturing, real estate development, etc, these companies, along with their counterparts in Pakistan, will be offering their products and services to the ME, Europe, etc. Believe me, making about $ 50 billion a year in additional revenue, starting by 2017-2018 would be normal for Pakistan (granted political stability and peace remains in tact inside Pakistan).

Pakistan's stock market was rated in top 5 best return on investment markets by Bloomberg last year. Pakistan's government currently has close to $ 17 billion in their savings account (highest in the history of the country). The estimates say say that in their savings account, they would have over $ 20 billion by the end of this year. By 2022, it is expected that Pakistan's savings account would've reached $ 35-40 billion dollars. By 2030-2035, it would be over 200 billion with an economy size around $ 1.4-1.8 trillion

I can write about growth in Pakistan all day long, I hope you got your answers from the above. But I doubt that the hatred and jealousy would go away. Good luck with that.

Applying toothpaste on burning skin actually helps a lot and cools it off. Try that. Till then, I am :dance3::dance3:and then :lazy2:.
 
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You seem to be in serious mental agony over Pakistan. Its ALL over your post. Go see a Pshycologist before you go full retarded and try to leave your girlfriend or something.

$ 40 billion dollars...means 40,000 MILLION dollars. You think they'll divide this much money to 11,000 or so Chinese workers??? So each of these guys will be making over $ 100 million per person? I think I want to go work there ......wait, or your post it totally idiotic?? Its the later :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

This investment will create from the Chinese border of Pakistan till Gawader, many new cities, hundreds of hotels, gas stations, shops, restaurants, new homes, hospitals, etc, etc to support the traffic for business getting through. Not to mention the toll revenue worth a few billion.........imagine RIGHT HERE, how many thousands of jobs will be created for Engineering, Medical, Technology specialists to basic workers, and this would be a huge jump start to the economy.

The Metro Bus, already completed Dams and Water Ways, are ALL being managed by Pakistanis. Ask people on here and there are threads showing you pictures. The existing Motor way structure is ALSO under Pakistani control even though initially, it was built by the Koreans, the Chinese, the Australians, etc.

Your post out of jealousy, portrays Pakistan as a backwards country without roads or brick buildings. In fact, its the opposite. Majority of their cities have better or on par infrastructure than India. India has five times more people to feed, Pakistan doesn't. So the amount of money Pakistan needs to become a modern country, is much lesser than India.

As the Pakistanis build hi-tech expertise in IT, e-businesses, mobile technologies, research, etc, (just one example, in Punjab, the education system is already moving to Tablet based systems, so no carrying books), you'll see the same tech labor being offered to different countries as a competition to the Indian labor. You can bet your money that you'll be experiencing serious competition from Pakistan. They didn't have a lot of investment return opportunities to show previously for their country due to bad economy, terrorism, etc now its changed.

Year 2014 witnessed a new Pakistan's birth, which was against terrorism and was working hard to get to the top 20 economies and military powers in the globe, with the 6th largest population, 50% of which, men and at working age!!

Global Businesses: Just a few examples, Dell, GE, Toyota, Citi bank, and all other major international consumer brands are already servicing Pakistan. Now, from the Asian side, Haier (I hope I spelled it right), Huawei and a couple of other Chinese giants have opened up manufacturing plants in Pakistan or are in the process to do so currently.

These manufacturing plants will be used to provide mobile phones, tablets and computers to Pakistani market as well as to the Chinese and the Asian consumers. This is on a TOT basis so Pakistani businesses will have their own computing brands to use internally and cell phones and all.

Mobile computing is the way to go and in all advance technologies, traditional hardware has been replaced with mobile computers, such as all smart phones, munitions, missiles, wrist watches, tablets, tanks, cars, etc. So having technological base internally, will result in producing products and services for the entire globe on these locally built and tried platforms.

So starting out, there manufacturing plants are expecting over 300-500 million consumers within the Pakistani, Chinese and other Asian markets. This generates a turn key global business model with tremendous potential in many billions per year. Plus majority of Chinese billion dollars companies are in the process of opening Pakistani offices.

In the next few years, with Pakistani labor trained, in both, hi tech, manufacturing, real estate development, etc, these companies, along with their counterparts in Pakistan, will be offering their products and services to the ME, Europe, etc. Believe me, making about $ 50 billion a year in additional revenue, starting by 2017-2018 would be normal for Pakistan (granted political stability and peace remains in tact inside Pakistan).

Pakistan's stock market was rated in top 5 best return on investment markets by Bloomberg last year. Pakistan's government currently has close to $ 17 billion in their savings account (highest in the history of the country). The estimates say say that in their savings account, they would have over $ 20 billion by the end of this year. By 2022, it is expected that Pakistan's savings account would've reached $ 35-40 billion dollars. By 2030-2035, it would be over 200 billion with an economy size around $ 1.4-1.8 trillion

I can write about growth in Pakistan all day long, I hope you got your answers from the above. But I doubt that the hatred and jealousy would go away. Good luck with that.

Applying toothpaste on burning skin actually helps a lot and cools it off. Try that. Till then, I am :dance3::dance3:and then :lazy2:.
It's good to dream! It costs you nothing!

Your rant seems as if Pakistan is going to be the next super power! :lol: Get real! You need to seriously get some education on economy.

By the way, whatever happened to the $30 billion that China supposedly was to invest in Pakistan for infrastructure in 2010? No one knows where it went! Not even a culvert has been built as yet!! :rofl: The deals – 18 agreements and four memorandums of understanding (MoUs) – were signed during then Premier Wen’s trip in 2010. But those remained on paper only!

The main focus of Wen’s tour – the first by a Chinese premier to Pakistan in five years – was on boosting trade and investment between the two countries. “The agreements will fetch nearly $15 billion investment over the next five years,said Board of Investment chairman Saleem Mandviwala. He also hoped the deals would boost trade to $15 billion!!

So, 5 years down the line and what has happened to those $30billion which was to be invested in Pakistan by the Chinese? Have those agreements fetched Pakistan $15 billion investments as the Board of Investment chairman Saleem Mandviwala promised? Unfortunately, not a cent has materialized!! It probably disappeared into thin air! It's easy to sign MOUs. It costs zilch. But good for photo ops! :P

Cheers! We're looking at a new Germany taking shape towards our West. More competition for the Yindoo banyas!! Damn! :lol:
 
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Source and references ?



36 J-10C is best choice for PAF. US stealth fighter F-35 has been delayed due to challenges of technological advancements. China is more than a decade behind US in aerospace what makes you think J-31 will delivered on time and will have all the capability ?
nothing really,,, nothing makes me think or say that PAF will be operating J31 by 2020...
The point being discussed, if you read the posts was the technical difficulties that will be involved if PAF start inducted yet another platform at this time. Will not only make it difficult for support staff and trainers but the JFT program may well be effected and this is one thing none of us and the PAF wants. however i am sure that they themselves keep an eye on these issues and will address this all properly.
 
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By the way, whatever happened to the $30 billion that China supposedly was to invest in Pakistan for infrastructure in 2010?

The main focus of Wen’s tour – the first by a Chinese premier to Pakistan in five years – was on boosting trade and investment between the two countries. “The agreements will fetch nearly $15 billion investment over the next five years,said Board of Investment chairman Saleem Mandviwala. He also hoped the deals would boost trade to $15 billion!!

Phew, you are burning out of jealousy too much, I can smell it. My laptop's speakers quit working.

1) There are MANY projects that are ALREADY at work for the past 2 years. 2010 didn't happen because the Chinese, like the US and others, didn't want to work with Zardari and the military. Makes perfect sense as an investor, you want a strong government with business savvy background. Not handing your money out like you won it at a casino.

So really, they started 2 years ago and there are a BUNCH of projects in completion or almost done. Check out threads here and you'll see progress easily worth $ 10-15 billion!!! So the current visit, would bring $ 45 billion more and that's already accounted for the projects.

2) Pakistan and China's current trade is AT $ 15 billion. And they want it to go to $ 20 billion. So not sure what your issue is.....go see a doc?

3) By the way, I was just watching the BBC. They showed different responses from India and Pakistan by their leaders on this visit. Indian's were obviously either downplaying it or trying to ignore it. However, they put the CM of Punjab, NS's brother. He had very interesting thing to say, something I've mentioned and its not synching into Indian supremest heads. He said (and I quote) "When Obama came to India, we didn't make a fuss about the deals they signed outside of the nuclear deal as we've been after it. So here, the Indians shouldn't be making noise too. I'd suggest them to get ready for a Healthy Economic competition". If you read the line, you better believe this guy wants to pour in a few hundred thousand seriously smart people in the market to complete against India. I think its healthy and good for other countries who'll be using these services as they can pick cheaper yet very qualified labor from both the countries.
 
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You talk as though Santa Claus commeth with a lot of freebie goodies.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee. But hey, dreaming is free, so carry on! :D
It's you who is dreaming mate, as you are still dreaming, our wish list is not just a smoke screen, since last four decades you are dreaming to make a so called indigenous lca but look where your dream is which is unfortunately still a dream and where our dream (jf17).. It's flying and in numbers.

Govt. have already approved 8 subs and 4 new f22p, 3 of the z10 are already under test and evaluation, now it's upto PA not Chinese wether we gonna go for them or not.

As far as j-0 is concern PAF is playing waiting game, I believe they could have gone j1o that's why we named it as fc20, but only thing which stop PAF in acquiring them is a sudden roll out of j31.
 
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1) There are MANY projects that are ALREADY at work for the past 2 years. 2010 didn't happen because the Chinese, like the US and others, didn't want to work with Zardari and the military. Makes perfect sense as an investor, you want a strong government with business savvy background. Not handing your money out like you won it at a casino.

So really, they started 2 years ago and there are a BUNCH of projects in completion or almost done. Check out threads here and you'll see progress easily worth $ 10-15 billion!!! So the current visit, would bring $ 45 billion more and that's already accounted for the projects.



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You seem to be in serious mental agony over Pakistan. Its ALL over your post. Go see a Pshycologist before you go full retarded and try to leave your girlfriend or something.

$ 40 billion dollars...means 40,000 MILLION dollars. You think they'll divide this much money to 11,000 or so Chinese workers??? So each of these guys will be making over $ 100 million per person? I think I want to go work there ......wait, or your post it totally idiotic?? Its the later :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

This investment will create from the Chinese border of Pakistan till Gawader, many new cities, hundreds of hotels, gas stations, shops, restaurants, new homes, hospitals, etc, etc to support the traffic for business getting through. Not to mention the toll revenue worth a few billion.........imagine RIGHT HERE, how many thousands of jobs will be created for Engineering, Medical, Technology specialists to basic workers, and this would be a huge jump start to the economy.

The Metro Bus, already completed Dams and Water Ways, are ALL being managed by Pakistanis. Ask people on here and there are threads showing you pictures. The existing Motor way structure is ALSO under Pakistani control even though initially, it was built by the Koreans, the Chinese, the Australians, etc.

Your post out of jealousy, portrays Pakistan as a backwards country without roads or brick buildings. In fact, its the opposite. Majority of their cities have better or on par infrastructure than India. India has five times more people to feed, Pakistan doesn't. So the amount of money Pakistan needs to become a modern country, is much lesser than India.

As the Pakistanis build hi-tech expertise in IT, e-businesses, mobile technologies, research, etc, (just one example, in Punjab, the education system is already moving to Tablet based systems, so no carrying books), you'll see the same tech labor being offered to different countries as a competition to the Indian labor. You can bet your money that you'll be experiencing serious competition from Pakistan. They didn't have a lot of investment return opportunities to show previously for their country due to bad economy, terrorism, etc now its changed.

Year 2014 witnessed a new Pakistan's birth, which was against terrorism and was working hard to get to the top 20 economies and military powers in the globe, with the 6th largest population, 50% of which, men and at working age!!

Global Businesses: Just a few examples, Dell, GE, Toyota, Citi bank, and all other major international consumer brands are already servicing Pakistan. Now, from the Asian side, Haier (I hope I spelled it right), Huawei and a couple of other Chinese giants have opened up manufacturing plants in Pakistan or are in the process to do so currently.

These manufacturing plants will be used to provide mobile phones, tablets and computers to Pakistani market as well as to the Chinese and the Asian consumers. This is on a TOT basis so Pakistani businesses will have their own computing brands to use internally and cell phones and all.

Mobile computing is the way to go and in all advance technologies, traditional hardware has been replaced with mobile computers, such as all smart phones, munitions, missiles, wrist watches, tablets, tanks, cars, etc. So having technological base internally, will result in producing products and services for the entire globe on these locally built and tried platforms.

So starting out, these manufacturing plants are expecting over 300-500 million consumers within the Pakistani, Chinese and other Asian markets. This generates a turn key global business model with tremendous potential in many billions per year. Plus majority of Chinese billion dollars companies are in the process of opening Pakistani offices.

In the next few years, with Pakistani labor trained, in both, hi tech, manufacturing, real estate development, etc, these companies, along with their counterparts in Pakistan, will be offering their products and services to the ME, Europe, etc. Believe me, making about $ 50 billion a year in additional revenue, starting by 2017-2018 would be normal for Pakistan (granted political stability and peace remains in tact inside Pakistan).

Pakistan's stock market was rated in top 5 best return on investment markets by Bloomberg last year. Pakistan's government currently has close to $ 17 billion in their savings account (highest in the history of the country). The estimates say say that in their savings account, they would have over $ 20 billion by the end of this year. By 2022, it is expected that Pakistan's savings account would've reached $ 35-40 billion dollars. By 2030-2035, it would be over 200 billion with an economy size around $ 1.4-1.8 trillion

I can write about growth in Pakistan all day long, I hope you got your answers from the above. But I doubt that the hatred and jealousy would go away. Good luck with that.

Applying toothpaste on burning skin actually helps a lot and cools it off. Try that. Till then, I am :dance3::dance3:and then :lazy2:.
awesom Bro
 
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One idiot's opinion's overwrite about 200 million Pakistanis and about 350 million Chinese who's benefit from this trade relationship???? I can give you hundreds of proofs about what happens inside India. Does that change the reality as to India is a big economy? No, it doesn't. Instead of having serious mental challenges, you should expect the reality. The sooner the better, it'll help you stay sane.

Pakistan is about to become your economy's competitor to a big degree, from a labor and tech standpoint. They will become a big manufacturing and services hub, and will provide Chinese to Central Russians access to water and trade. Resulting in growing to the top 15 economies very soon, in the next 2-3 years. Pakistan is already in BRIC + 11 (top 4 fastest growing economies and the next 11 projected fastest growing economies after the US). So....Pakistan's already listed in top 20 (projected) and the work's on way to get it there.
 
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Source and references ?



36 J-10C is best choice for PAF. US stealth fighter F-35 has been delayed due to challenges of technological advancements. China is more than a decade behind US in aerospace what makes you think J-31 will delivered on time and will have all the capability ?
I think you should go to previous posts. J-31 is more a PAF type aircraft having same engines as JF-17s, I agree they are about two of them but still have much similarity with JF-17s which would be helpful in operational readiness.

How did you learn about 32+ Block 52? Is that an analysis or news from somebody credible?
Honestly! Analysis.
 
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I think you should go to previous posts. J-31 is more a PAF type aircraft having same engines as JF-17s, I agree they are about two of them but still have much similarity with JF-17s which would be helpful in operational readiness

Then Pakistan should work towards the local licensed production of J-31 similar to JF-17. It appears that JF-17 will only be operated by Pakistan and so we should build all parts locally rather than importing parts from China and just assembling them.
 
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It's good to dream! It costs you nothing!

Your rant seems as if Pakistan is going to be the next super power! :lol: Get real! You need to seriously get some education on economy.

By the way, whatever happened to the $30 billion that China supposedly was to invest in Pakistan for infrastructure in 2010? No one knows where it went! Not even a culvert has been built as yet!! :rofl: The deals – 18 agreements and four memorandums of understanding (MoUs) – were signed during then Premier Wen’s trip in 2010. But those remained on paper only!

The main focus of Wen’s tour – the first by a Chinese premier to Pakistan in five years – was on boosting trade and investment between the two countries. “The agreements will fetch nearly $15 billion investment over the next five years,said Board of Investment chairman Saleem Mandviwala. He also hoped the deals would boost trade to $15 billion!!

So, 5 years down the line and what has happened to those $30billion which was to be invested in Pakistan by the Chinese? Have those agreements fetched Pakistan $15 billion investments as the Board of Investment chairman Saleem Mandviwala promised? Unfortunately, not a cent has materialized!! It probably disappeared into thin air! It's easy to sign MOUs. It costs zilch. But good for photo ops! :P

Cheers! We're looking at a new Germany taking shape towards our West. More competition for the Yindoo banyas!! Damn! :lol:

Well there are people who have visited Karachi, Pakistan just to see the lights of the city because they would say that Dehli is very dark because they can not afford to have bright lights on public areas.

Still you are day dreaming that Pakistan can not handle the Chinese investments?

Hope that you can afford to have an air-condition at home so that you can sleep well in the night.

Still you do not think of the people that sleep on the streets in India every night. They are run over by the people who are dancing and parting all night in the night clubs. There are other problems too that have been highlighted over the last few years not just by Indian media but also International media.
 
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One idiot's opinion's overwrite about 200 million Pakistanis and
about 350 million Chinese who's benefit from this trade relationship????

Can you provide references/links from the Pakistan Ministry of Finance and China Ministry of Finance for figures of investment. Sethi seems credible in these videos.

 
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Can you provide references/links from the Pakistan Ministry of Finance and China Ministry of Finance for figures of investment. Sethi seems credible in these videos.

I finally heard the translation of this. You have two ears and a sharp brain in between. You should know how paid the journalists are in Pakistan. There are threads on here which actually break down the $ 45 billion into projects.

Now, this isn't the foreign investment similar to the "US aid". US aid isn't what China is doing. I agree with him that for the past 7 decades, the US provided BILLIONS of aid to Pakistan. In turn, the US is never remember in good terms and always been this way. The US has provided Pakistan with more money than the Chinese will ever provide like free "aid".

Next, this is an investment, meaning there will be a return on it. Unlike the US aid, which used to free flow (which is now changing its protocol as well to become more project based), the Chinese investment is based on projects. Which means it won't be free flow, there won't be corruption as the Chinese will audit themselves. This is actually very good for Pakistan. You build your country and you by pass majority of the corrupted contractors and politics all. So things will get done.

Now, this guy's pulling the rest of the stuff out of his rear due to paid money and yellow journalism. There are massive projects that without even discussing it with any Financial person, using common sense tells you that there are multiple billion dollars involved. To build a nice highway for a few miles usually costs about a billion dollars with a couple of exists and interchanges. Here, you are building a trade corridor for a region covering like 3 billion people, with many countries which will get benefit, all the way to a port, associated infrastructure, obviously, electricity and all to support the growth. Just calculate that a power plant costs a few billion at the least and there are many needed. So you don't have to be a financial analyst to understand and do basic summing of the data. Its pretty self explanatory and it is an investment, vs. the free US aid. Two different things, do different purposes and two different strategic reasons all together.
 
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